Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 223189 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Best of New Orleans.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#111681 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
You are trying to argue, I never said any of that.
Of course there are fossils, the problem is we have no idea what the fossil is or was. It is purse speculation and quite frankly a waste of time because there is absolutely no documentation that can verify any of the evolution business to the level that some of these scientists claim. Most of these types are desperate to get something published in a scientific journal because their teaching position depends upon publishing.
Continued:

Do not attempt to project YOUR ignorance on others.

Yes, there ARE things we are not quite sure of .... yet. For example: the colors exhibited by dinosaurs, whether or not they had feathers (some did), the nature of the noises they made, etc. BUT the fossil evidence we DO have is very specific, and fits nicely with the other evidence from genetics, geology, etc.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#111683 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
You are free to believe whatever you wish.
As are you.
SevenTee wrote:
Good luck in your quest for knowledge.
Thank you. The same to you.
SevenTee wrote:
But remember to blindly follow a political pseudo-scientific evolution theory takes more faith than knowledge or reason.
I've yet to do that but you remember to blindly follow a fundamental belief that takes more faith than knowledge or reason.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#111684 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG!
Now the Topix poster is claiming his expertise in dinosaurs, birds, animal communication, genetics and geology!!
I am so glad to have met you on the Topix internet page, you have convinced me of the error of my ways and now I know the truth, my great great great great grandfather was an ape, and he might have been a grape ape just like the cartoon I saw on TV.
Expertise is not required. Knowledge of basics is. There is a huge difference.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#111685 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG!
Now the Topix poster is claiming his expertise in dinosaurs, birds, animal communication, genetics and geology!!
I am so glad to have met you on the Topix internet page, you have convinced me of the error of my ways and now I know the truth, my great great great great grandfather was an ape, and he might have been a grape ape just like the cartoon I saw on TV.
"Expertise"?

I never claimed to be an expert. I *DID* have some classes in college, and am therefore MORE knowledgeable than a lot of folks, but am no 'expert' by any stretch of the imagination.

YOU no doubt have some (very limited)'expertise' in this area as well. And I can prove it.

Would you be able to tell the difference between a human skull and say, that of a bear, if they were side-by-side?

Or would you instead say they were identical species?

How about the difference between an ADULT human skull, and that of a CHILD's skull?

Or would you again think they were identical?

Be truthful.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#111686 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG!
Now the Topix poster is claiming his expertise in dinosaurs, birds, animal communication, genetics and geology!!
I am so glad to have met you on the Topix internet page, you have convinced me of the error of my ways and now I know the truth, my great great great great grandfather was an ape, and he might have been a grape ape just like the cartoon I saw on TV.
...and yes. Your "great great great great grandfather WAS an ape.

Just like you, me, and the rest of humanity.

Humans *ARE* a species of ape.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/primate/prim_8.htm

"In addition to the great apes, the family Hominidae includes our species, Homo sapiens."

<additional reading at the above link>

Level 1

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#111687 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG!
Now the Topix poster is claiming his expertise in dinosaurs, birds, animal communication, genetics and geology!!
I am so glad to have met you on the Topix internet page, you have convinced me of the error of my ways and now I know the truth, my great great great great grandfather was an ape, and he might have been a grape ape just like the cartoon I saw on TV.
OMG you've convinced me of the errors of my ways. I totally believe that all men are descendents of two daughters who got their father drunk and then seduced him to have his children/grandchildren (who knew the bible was a tale of the Beverly Hillbillies).

that all life on Earth were once passengers on a big boat
that the Earth not only stopped revolving around the Sun, but went backwards
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#111688 Apr 18, 2014
bohart wrote:
.....From live science.com
The 9 biggest unsolved mysteries of physics,...by Natale Wolchover
#7....Why is there an arrow of time?
.... Time moves forward because of a property of the universe called entropy , roughly defined as the level of disorder , only increases, and so there is no way to reverse a rise in entropy after it has occurred. The fact that entropy increases is a matter of logic, there are more disordered arrangements of particles than there are ordered arrangements , and so as things change , they tend to fall into disarray. But the underlying question here is , why was entropy so low in the past? Put differently why was the universe so ordered at its beginning , when a huge amount of energy was crammed together in a small amount of space?..
Now this is a mystery to science , but I've no doubt they've never consulted the geniuses here on this thread.
I especially like the part ,...as things change ,they tend to fall into disarray.
Oh noes! TEH SLOT!! WE'RE DOOOOOOOOMED!!!!

BWAA HAA HAA HAA HAAAAAAAAA!!!
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#111689 Apr 18, 2014
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
<quoted text>It is your side that has made a bunch of ignorant monkeys out of people.
Well, creationists WILL post here.(shrug)

Don't wanna look stupid? Stop posting stupid things or don't post.
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#111690 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no fossil record.
You are falling for half-truth because you are ignorant
There is no fossil record???

Wow.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

Take your time, bub.
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#111691 Apr 18, 2014
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
<quoted text>I have read passages that the Spirit of Truth has lead me to, but again I don't think you know what this means.
Course we do Mikey. It means your gullible as hell.

Otherwise you'd have *evidence* to present us.
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#111692 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
In tracing the alleged evolution of humans from primate ancestors, palaeoanthropologists have been frustrated by the existence of two extensive gaps In the fossil record. The first gap, known as the hominoid gap, goes from 32 to 22 million years ago on the evolutionary time-scale. This period is important because it is during this period that evolutionists believe that the ancestors of apes and humans were splitting off from the tine leading to the monkeys. Yet, with one possible exception,[1] this time-frame is devoid of hominoid fossil evidence to document this alleged divergence.
The second gap, known as the hominid gap, extends from 14 to 4.5 million years ago. This second period is equally critical for evolutionary theory because it is the time when the ancestors of the australopithecine and human group were allegedly diverging from the ancestors of the African apes, especially the chimpanzees. This period is also devoid of any relevant fossil material, except for a few fossil scraps too fragmentary for diagnosis. Thus, the recent news that the hominid 'missing link' has been discovered was greeted with great exuberance by the evolutionist community.
Except I've just filled that second gap. Took me 2 seconds.(shrug)

So since your buddies you just copy-pasted from lied about the second gap, why should we presume they're telling the truth about the first?

Keeping in mind of course the genetic evidence thrown in there too.

So far still waiting for a SINGLE rebuttal from you.
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#111693 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
No what I said is there is very sketchy incomplete fossils. We simply are not able to prove any of this with fossil records.
We can not possibly identify a bone that is millions of years old and make any sort of rational conclusions about what that bone is. It is pure speculation.
Not at all. Because remember, evolution is the ONLY theory that exists capable of making predictions based on the fossil record. Successfully too. Ergo, not pure speculation.

Just because YOU are ignorant of the fossil record and comparative anatomy doesn't mean everyone else is.

But thanks for contradicting yourself by just admitting that there DOES exist a fossil record.
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#111694 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no fossil record.
You are falling for half-truth because you are ignorant
So first you say there is no fossil record.
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
No what I said is there is very sketchy incomplete fossils.
Then you change your mind.
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text> (copy-pasted from some ignorant fundie website)
In tracing the alleged evolution of humans from primate ancestors, palaeoanthropologists have been frustrated by the existence of two extensive gaps In the fossil record.
And then you just said there definitely WAS a fossil record. THEN you say:
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
You are trying to argue, I never said any of that.
Which is quite obviously a STUPID thing to say because you DID in fact say that.

So quite obviously you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about because you're not looking at the evidence, you're looking for any old soundbite that sounds good to you.
SevenTee wrote:
Of course there are fossils, the problem is we have no idea what the fossil is or was.
No, YOU don't know. Because you aren't trained in comparative anatomy.
SevenTee wrote:
It is purse speculation and quite frankly a waste of time because there is absolutely no documentation that can verify any of the evolution business to the level that some of these scientists claim.
Except for the fact that Darwin himself PREDICTED the existence of transitional fossils. The fact they were FOUND is one of the reasons the guy got famous in the first place don'cha know. A fact know by the majority of educated people, unfortunately you're not one of them.
SevenTee wrote:
Most of these types are desperate to get something published in a scientific journal because their teaching position depends upon publishing.
Right, so it's all a big massive conspiracy. Except that organisations DON'T continue to funnel THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS in research grants that come up with diddly, for ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS.

And that's why evolution is not only scientifically demonstrable (as noted in our posts which you STILL can't refute) but also a fact.

So it is clearly obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that you're a clueless nonce who doesn't have the slightest idea what you're babbling about.
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#111695 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
You are free to believe whatever you wish. Good luck in your quest for knowledge.
But remember to blindly follow a political pseudo-scientific evolution theory takes more faith than knowledge or reason.
Belief is unnecessary when we have evidence. That's why you blindly follow dogmatic idiots who think the Flinstones is a science documentary, which goes great lengths in demonstrating your lack of education on the subjects involved.
SevenTee wrote:
10-20 million years of gaps leaves a lot of ground to make up my friend.
Hardly, since for there to BE gaps in the first place, there needs to be fossils. And of ALL the fossils we have (which just so happens to be every single fossil in existence) they clearly show an evolutionary trend. We've even provided linkys to actual genuine scientific sources, complete with pictures.

All you can say is "NO NO NONONO NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!"
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#111696 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
OMG!
Now the Topix poster is claiming his expertise in dinosaurs, birds, animal communication, genetics and geology!!
He doesn't need to. All he has to do is point out that the experts in those very subjects agree with him. And they do.

So uh, that alone shows your rhetorical response to be rather stupid.(shrug)

Besides, pretty much ANY non-creationist is like a genius in those subjects compared to you. AND we don't get caught lying for Jesus like you do. Or anyone else for that matter.
SevenTee wrote:
I am so glad to have met you on the Topix internet page, you have convinced me of the error of my ways and now I know the truth, my great great great great grandfather was an ape, and he might have been a grape ape just like the cartoon I saw on TV.
Yes, you are an ape, your dad was an ape, your grandfather was an ape, your great grandfather was an ape, your great great grandfather was an ape, your great great great grandfather was an ape and your great great great great grandfather was an ape, all extending back millions of years.

Humans ARE apes.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#111697 Apr 18, 2014
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all. Because remember, evolution is the ONLY theory that exists capable of making predictions based on the fossil record. Successfully too. Ergo, not pure speculation.
Just because YOU are ignorant of the fossil record and comparative anatomy doesn't mean everyone else is.
But thanks for contradicting yourself by just admitting that there DOES exist a fossil record.
...speaking of which:

http://phys.org/news/2014-04-methylation-nean...

April 18th, 2014

Researchers create methylation maps of Neanderthals and Denisovans, compare them to modern humans.

A team of Israeli, Spanish and German researchers has for the first time created a map of gene expression in Neanderthals and Denisovans and has compared them with modern humans. In their paper published in the journal Science, the team describes how they applied epigentics to the study of our two closest known ancestors and discovered variations that might account for their differences in body shape and susceptibility to some modern neurological diseases.

Read more at link above...

“ad victoriam”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#111700 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you even read these stupid links you post
""Unfortunately, the maps created by the research team are still incomplete, they only had a few bone fragments to work with—they're hoping future studies (and fossil finds) will reveal more. In the meantime, they plan to conduct similar work on other species, such as horses, to help reveal the types of methylation that occurred as they were domesticated.""
.....only had a few bone fragments, LMAO, yet they photoshop an entire skeletal body from a few fragments??
You people will believe anything.
You do understand destructive analysis requires consuming invaluable fossils?
In which case these priceless bone fragments come at a premium even whole nations think twice about, the cost is twin fold, loss of the bone and cost of the experiment.

But these type experiment do tell us much about the past.
Do you people understand anything?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#111701 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you even read these stupid links you post
""Unfortunately, the maps created by the research team are still incomplete, they only had a few bone fragments to work with—they're hoping future studies (and fossil finds) will reveal more. In the meantime, they plan to conduct similar work on other species, such as horses, to help reveal the types of methylation that occurred as they were domesticated.""
.....only had a few bone fragments, LMAO, yet they photoshop an entire skeletal body from a few fragments??
You people will believe anything.
You are TURBO ignorant.

Did *YOU* read the article I referenced?

http://phys.org/news/2014-04-methylation-nean...

Studying methylation in preserved fossils involves noting the way the methyl chemical cytosine decays over long periods of time. Unmethylated cytosines decay to one type of chemical while unmethylated cyctones decay to another. By measuring the amounts of the two resultant chemicals found in fossilized bone fragments, the researchers were able to create methylation maps of Neanderthals and Denisovans, which they then compared with similar maps for modern humans.

<end cut/paste>

1. The study that this article is writing about is a CHEMICAL/GENETIC study, comparing the DNA of Neanderthals & Denisovians versus Modern man. NOT a morphological (skeletal)comparison.

2. The image of the Neanderthal skeleton being depicted is based the bones of upon OVER FOUR HUNDRED Neanderthals that have been found and studied since 1829 -- including some nearly complete Neanderthal skeletons.

3. Denisovans have far fewer fossils, but there have been enough fossils found to do DNA testing -- which again WAS WHAT THIS PAPER WAS DESCRIBING!

Putz.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#111702 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
10-20 million years of gaps leaves a lot of ground to make up my friend.
Not all lines in the fossil record have gaps of the same size. Don't you realize that you don't know or understand the fossil record my friend. We have filled a lot of gaps in the last 200 years, but you are correct the bridging of every gap with new fossils increases our understanding of evolution.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#111703 Apr 18, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG!
Now the Topix poster is claiming his expertise in dinosaurs, birds, animal communication, genetics and geology!!
I am so glad to have met you on the Topix internet page, you have convinced me of the error of my ways and now I know the truth, my great great great great grandfather was an ape, and he might have been a grape ape just like the cartoon I saw on TV.
Yes, you do seem to claim a lot of expertise in a variety of scientific fields. It is a shame that you do really know science, these conversations would be much more interesting.

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