Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 223358 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#111338 Apr 15, 2014
Nick wrote:
@TheDude
One important thing that you guys always seem to miss is that we as creationists believe in alot of the things you do such as natural selection the only thing that we dont believe is that one animal can turn into another then another and so on and so forth until we have the rich diversity of organisms found today and what gives my websites any less respect than yours it is just the "other side of the story" so to say
I have already pointed out to you that "your" web sites refuse to consider anything that does not agree with a literal interpretation of the bible. That is EXACTLY why they get less respect.
Libertarian

London, UK

#111339 Apr 15, 2014
"Intelligent design refers to a scientific research program as well as a community of scientists, philosophers and other scholars who seek evidence of design in nature. "

Right there. That is not science and they cannot call themselves scientists if they have already decided on what evidence they're looking for.

Evolutionary theory started with Darwin but it didnt end there. The race thing is completely irrelevant.
Now we have genetics we can see that the races only diverged in the last 150,000 years, nothing compared to the 3.5 billion years of life.

If they start thinking what they want to find that is not and never will be science. I dont understand why anyone religious wants to even pretend to have scientific credibility when thats exactly what you reject in the first place.

When you look at the sky at night do you see stars? How can you if the universe is only a few thousand years old?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#111340 Apr 15, 2014
Nick wrote:
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There may be more but its still with the same info look at the letters did a Z or a Q pop in
somewhere that im missing or what
The point is that a mutation may affect the duplicated gene without affecting the original gene or its function. The mutated duplicate *may* lead to new function (AKA information).

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#111341 Apr 15, 2014
Nick wrote:
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This is science not grammar or literature science who cares about bad grammar and is that really the point of a debate im not supposed to care about everything you say just as you dont care what i say we are simply here to discuss.
Poor grammar and a lack of punctuation is an indicator of the level of education and attention to detail. Sloppy writing leads others to consider the author to be sloppy in other matters. Your choice.
Libertarian

London, UK

#111342 Apr 15, 2014
What's intelligent about the design anyway?

An appendix that does nothing but randomly kill people - bad design.
An eye with a blind spot - bad design
People who are gay - bad design if it was a god who then doesnt like them
Hip and knee problems in older and specially taller people because we were not design to be upright - bad design.

What kind of benevolent deity designs nature in such a way that 99.99999999999% of all individual animals die before being able to breed? Nature is cruel and harsh. If god was then nature would make sense but anyone who thinks we are good designs needs to learn a little bit of biology if the science involved (proof and evidence etc) doesn't make their brains dribble out their ears.

Only people who know nothing of biology would say there is any intelligence involved in our 'design'.

Nature cannot 'go back to the drawing board it has to work with what it has - explaining all the imperfections above.

Go read some biology.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#111343 Apr 15, 2014
Nick wrote:
<quoted text>
But what evidence do you have have that is 100% flawless and backed up by fact. None.
None? Incorrect. You might argue the interpretation of the evidence but to claim it does not exist is just ignorance.

BTW, what evidence do you have?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#111344 Apr 15, 2014
Nick wrote:
We believe in natural selection and mutations we don't however believe that an animal one day just gets brand new genetic information slowly over time then after much reproduction and changes turns into something different until we get a new species or animal
Organism and such don't gain new generic info the loose some through mutation pr they get more of the same info not brand new different information
Then explain why approximately 99% of all of the species that ever existed are now extinct and none of the species that currently exist existed 500+ million years ago.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#111345 Apr 15, 2014
Mike Williams wrote:
Simply put evolution is out. Why are none of you speaking of the .2 percent of our DNA that does not match anything on earth. The only living organism on earth with this claim.
WHAT??? All of the species on earth have the same DNA except for humans? WTF?
Mike Williams wrote:
We also know now that sometime in the last 5000 years. Humans mated with an unidentified human race. Evolution like Einsteins theory of space and time is wrong. all equations on black holes lead to the same answer. Infinity. This is no way correct if his theory is true.
Gibberish.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#111346 Apr 15, 2014
Tinka wrote:
<quoted text>
And a high percentage of Germans speak Mandarin...
Especially in Chinese restaurants.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

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#111347 Apr 15, 2014
Nick wrote:
<quoted text>
Im not lying and if you think about i could say the same thing to you but just because someone believes different doesnt mean you can call them a lier it doesnt work that way
Granted... YOU may not actually be 'lying", but you are using "information" from organizations that specialize in 'sowing doubt' in order to try and shine a negative light on things they see as going against their biblical beliefs.

They do that by lying.

The fact that you accept what they have to say, without really checking if what they are telling you has any basis in reality.... is on you. Once you are shown why something you post is erroneous, and you decided to stick to your original position, you can no longer claim innocence.

Mostly what they do is to throw around a lot of scientific terms and long winded diatribes in order to convince the less educated/overly religious (folks like you) that science is a big conspiracy to suppress their "biblical truths".

They get folks, like you, to feel that your 'faith' is being threatened so you will jump on their bandwagon and help them smear any science that could be seen as going against your god.

They "quote mine". That's when they take a portion of a quote and strip enough of it away so that it appears the person being quoted is actually saying something that you would not get in the context of the entire quote.

They do no science.... at all... yet they claim to be 'scientists'.

The whole creationist game plan is nothing more than a collections of misinformation, reality denying and out right lies.

Don't take my word for it... look into it yourself.... or not... being stupid or not is a choice only you can make.

If you're comfortable with 'stupid'... good for you.

If you're not comfortable with stupid... good for everyone

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#111348 Apr 15, 2014
Nick wrote:
@thedude
Im not saying they don't gain new info I'm just saying that this is the same info not completely new/different info and
We do believe i natural selection
You might. Not all creationists do. Our friend, Urban Cowboy, believes everything poofed into existence full formed.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#111349 Apr 15, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
You really should proof your posts before sending. It is bloody awful to read and comes off as lazy and sloppy.
I rest my case.
THE LONE WORKER

United States

#111350 Apr 15, 2014
MikeF wrote:
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You might. Not all creationists do. Our friend, Urban Cowboy, believes everything poofed into existence full formed.
The scriptures lead Christians to that conclusion.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

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#111351 Apr 15, 2014
Nick wrote:
@TheDude
One important thing that you guys always seem to miss is that we as creationists believe in alot of the things you do such as natural selection the only thing that we dont believe is that one animal can turn into another then another and so on and so forth until we have the rich diversity of organisms found today and what gives my websites any less respect than yours it is just the "other side of the story" so to say
Let's see...

One side of the 'story' uses all available evidence and draws conclusions based on that evidence as a whole.

One side of the 'story' has a predetermined conclusion and rejects all evidence that they see as going against their predetermined conclusion.

Which side should be given the most respect... and why?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#111352 Apr 15, 2014
Libertarian wrote:
What's intelligent about the design anyway?
An appendix that does nothing but randomly kill people - bad design.
An eye with a blind spot - bad design
People who are gay - bad design if it was a god who then doesnt like them
Hip and knee problems in older and specially taller people because we were not design to be upright - bad design.
What kind of benevolent deity designs nature in such a way that 99.99999999999% of all individual animals die before being able to breed? Nature is cruel and harsh. If god was then nature would make sense but anyone who thinks we are good designs needs to learn a little bit of biology if the science involved (proof and evidence etc) doesn't make their brains dribble out their ears.
Only people who know nothing of biology would say there is any intelligence involved in our 'design'.
Nature cannot 'go back to the drawing board it has to work with what it has - explaining all the imperfections above.
Go read some biology.
Well the appendix had been found to collect bad bugs and bacteria and stuff so our bodies are exposed to things that can harm us so we can handle them better in later life. Problem is the thing's a bit broken and can get infected, causing us to die if it's not removed. So not a great design, but apparently not totally useless.

Of course all examples of bad design are blamed on Adam and Eve for eating the magic apple in the first place.

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#111353 Apr 15, 2014
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't. They spend more time talking BS about evolution than they do about the subject they're supposed to be "studying".
Method - make up a load of BS about evolution then tag "therefore Goddidit" at the end. Simples.
Excuse me?? Are... are you trying to tell me that <gasp> creationism is... is a load of... HOKUM??

SAY IT ANI'T SO, DUDE!! PLEASE!! SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!!

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#111354 Apr 15, 2014
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
<quoted text>The scriptures lead Christians to that conclusion.
Not all of them. Nor do you speak for all of them.
THE LONE WORKER

United States

#111355 Apr 15, 2014
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Not all of them. Nor do you speak for all of them.
Yes, they all lead to the conclusion that God has limitless power and that he is the one and only Creator of the entire universe.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#111356 Apr 15, 2014
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, they all lead to the conclusion that God has limitless power and that he is the one and only Creator of the entire universe.
Which only shows that the Bible is a book of myths. it doesn't show it has any validity at all. Remember that the Koran makes very similar claims, but you don't accept it as valid.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#111357 Apr 15, 2014
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
<quoted text>The scriptures lead Christians to that conclusion.
Which only shows the scriptures lead people to belief in falsehoods.

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