Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 173376 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“The Edge”

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Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#110732 Apr 6, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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I really do not care if you accept evolution, but it is more religion than science because there is absolutely zero proof
You have to take off your bible glasses and pull the jebus plugs out your ears before you can see and hear the truth , while knowing that this is science and no religion taken on faith.
It is truth based on real evidence and there's no fooling yourself here.

“I can never convince the ”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

stupid that they are stupid.

#110733 Apr 6, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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Chrom
I appreciate your obsession and trolling
You follow me around like a little puppy which is cute.
Now go find your homosexual friend and violate yourself
Have a Good day LOSER\\\\
Sounds like a "Mom's Basement Dwelling" full on projection.

Chromium will no doubt be amused to see that his arguments have left you to take the last refuge of the ignorant and defeated.
Kyle Broadneck

Cincinnati, OH

#110734 Apr 6, 2014
Professor wrote:
Even if evolution is true (and there is plenty of evidence to support it), scientists cannot explain how the very first cell came into existence.
After the Big Bang, the universe was sterile. SOMETHING happened to cause life to appear out of nothing.
We are Christians so we no God created life. Our minister said maybe he even did it with some kind of big bong. But that pretty much says where his one cell creatures came from. Theirs nothing unscientific about seeing that.

“The Edge”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#110735 Apr 6, 2014
Kyle Broadneck wrote:
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We are Christians so we no God created life. Our minister said maybe he even did it with some kind of big bong. But that pretty much says where his one cell creatures came from. Theirs nothing unscientific about seeing that.
Yeah a blast from the big bong created god.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#110736 Apr 6, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Yeah a blast from the big bong created god.
I believe the key words here are "big bong".

(Far out, man!)
Nick

Red Deer, Canada

#110737 Apr 6, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Answers in Genesis?
Now I know you are a fool.
Why because i used. Creationist website look i honestly do t care if you call me bad names im sticking by my religion because it gives hope and a sense of belonging along with many other things, ok maybe that fossilized teddy bear thing was actually formed by concretation or however its spelt but i still have a rigt to my own opinion and i hate when you guys think you can call me a fool or stupid because i dont believe the same as you
Nick

Red Deer, Canada

#110739 Apr 6, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Hate it all you like, but if you continue to use it in the context you have, then one is left to conclude you don't understand what a theory is. You really haven't shown that you fully understand it by your post. Sorry.
The day you see one animal change into another, document it thoroughly, then head to Stockholm to pick up your prize. That event wouldn't support evolution, it would refute it.
That the earth is not flat is a finding of science and refutes a belief supported in the Bible. Atoms were theorized before we discovered their nature and that evidence supported the theory. Splitting the atom was not directly a prediction of the theory. It was that at the time atoms were considered the smallest form of matter. As technology and understanding developed we know that is not correct. The theory on that point was not refuted as much as expanded. All done by science.
If you don't want to believe the facts, that is your problem. But don't tell others something isn't true without bringing evidence to support your assertions. Otherwise all you have is a selective belief that can't hold up to the facts.
Why don't you try doing some research on your own. This forum is for discussion and debate and not for the education of the uninitiated. If you want a fast food education in science and biology take your own action. Decide for yourself based on knowledge. My beliefs have been altered but not destroyed by my understanding of science. Nothing in science tells me there is evidence against the existence of God. That is a myth established by the ignorant and afraid.
Ok but think of this despite your well put little argument no one on here has given me a suitable piece of proof the only thing ive gotten was oh the fossils but with the amount of missing links and some miscalculations in some carbon dating or etc i cant chose to believe it so give me proof of evolution and i may believe you
Shazam

Red Deer, Canada

#110740 Apr 6, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>It is more one sided. And that particular side favors misinformation over information. Perhaps you have heard of them. They are referred to as religious fundamentalists.
No offence but that sounds pretty ignorant and you do know that no ones been able to disprove any specific part of the bible and yet evolution has had some flaws that have been revised and it has many holes so maybe the tables are the other way around

“I can never convince the ”

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Since: Jan 11

stupid that they are stupid.

#110741 Apr 6, 2014
Nick wrote:
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Ok but think of this despite your well put little argument no one on here has given me a suitable piece of proof the only thing ive gotten was oh the fossils but with the amount of missing links and some miscalculations in some carbon dating or etc i cant chose to believe it so give me proof of evolution and i may believe you
You demand proof, but offer none of your own. The evidence you do offer is a concrete teddy bear. A phenomenon that was understood by science long before some wanker put a child's toy in a waterfall. You want proof go to a liquor store. If you want science, examine the evidence that is globally well known and documented. It is explained by no other theory than the theory of evolution.

Think of the difference between belief and science as such. Imagine an apple orchard in Minnesota. Trees laden with beautiful, sweet fruit. Science has named, the genus, species and variety. Modern agriculture based on science has result in a yield to ensure a bountiful harvest. You can exam its biology at the population, generic, individual or molecular level and show these to be apple trees. You are the horticulturalist that askews science in favor of belief. Because Eve ate the apple, you can't bear that your job is to work with such trees. You believe that they are oranges, despite the facts. You treat them as such and the harvest is lost. You die for want of the fruit of these trees and your disregard of knowledge.

“I can never convince the ”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

stupid that they are stupid.

#110742 Apr 6, 2014
Shazam wrote:
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No offence but that sounds pretty ignorant and you do know that no ones been able to disprove any specific part of the bible and yet evolution has had some flaws that have been revised and it has many holes so maybe the tables are the other way around
My reply to a one sided post seems one sided. That's funny.

Sure the theory has been revised. That is the strength of science that separates it from dogmatic belief. You know dogmatic belief I assume. When you believe something despite the facts or lack of them. For instance there are no facts to support a global flood. Not any. That doesn't alter the theological and moral value of the story of Noah. The strength of that still heartens me despite the fact that is a cultural allegory.

“I can never convince the ”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

stupid that they are stupid.

#110743 Apr 6, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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Why is a mule sterile?
The difference of chromosome number in the horse and the donkey results in disrupted meiosis in the mule expressed as an inability to reproduce. The chromosomes don't divide equally during meiosis.

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The Borderland of Sol

#110744 Apr 6, 2014
Nick wrote:
They weren't fossilized, you twit.

They were put under a waterfall in a high-limestone area, and were covered with calcite - same process as stalagmite formation.

Sheesh.

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The Borderland of Sol

#110745 Apr 6, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Answers in Genesis?
Now I know you are a fool.
Oh, I dunno.

"Arguments that should never be used
1. Moon dust thickness proves a young moon.

2. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics began at the Fall.(If so, how could Adam and Eve have eaten and digested their food that they were told to eat before the Fall?)

3. NASA computers, in calculating the positions of planets, found a missing day and 40 minutes, proving Joshua’s “long day”(Joshua 10) and Hezekiah’s sundial movement (2 Kings 20).

4. There are no beneficial mutations.

5. Darwin recanted on his deathbed.

6. Woolly mammoths were flash frozen during the Flood catastrophe.

7. If we evolved from apes, apes shouldn’t exist today.(In an evolutionary worldview, mankind did not evolve from apes but from an apelike ancestor, from which both humans and apes of today supposedly evolved.)

8. No new species have been produced.

9. Ron Wyatt has found much archeological proof of the Bible." - Answers in Genesis.

Full article here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/t...

“I can never convince the ”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

stupid that they are stupid.

#110746 Apr 6, 2014
Nick wrote:
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Ok but think of this despite your well put little argument no one on here has given me a suitable piece of proof the only thing ive gotten was oh the fossils but with the amount of missing links and some miscalculations in some carbon dating or etc i cant chose to believe it so give me proof of evolution and i may believe you
Here are some books you can read or at least reference that will provide background and evidence supporting evolution.

Darwin, Charles. 1859. On the origin of species by means of natural selection, or the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life. John Murray, London. 502 p.

Mayr, Ernst. 2001. What evolution is. New York: Basic Books. 318 p.

Ruse, Michael & Joseph Travis, eds. 2009. Evolution: The first four billion years. The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press. Cambridge. 979 p.

Zimmer, Carl. 2001. Evolution: The triumph of an idea. Harper Collins. 364 p.

There are many more, but these are great reviews of the theory and the evidence. You can read one, all or none. It is up to you, but you aught to know the science you are against.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#110747 Apr 6, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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I really do not care if you accept evolution, but it is more religion than science because there is absolutely zero proof
Really? Tell that to the evangelical Christians at Baylor University, the "largest Baptist University in the world," where the students go on mission trips, etc.

This is from the Biology Department at Baylor:
http://www.baylor.edu/biology/index.php...

Statement on Evolution
"Evolution, a foundational principle of modern biology, is supported by overwhelming scientific evidence and is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. Because it is fundamental to the understanding of modern biology, the faculty in the Biology Department at Baylor University, Waco, TX, teach evolution throughout the biology curriculum. We are in accordance with the American Association for Advancement of Science's statement on evolution. We are a science department, so we do not teach alternative hypotheses or philosophically deduced theories that cannot be tested rigorously."

Also, here from the Baylor Geology Department:
http://www.baylor.edu/geology/index.php...

Quote:

"Question: Does the fossil record support the idea of biological change over time (biological evolution)?

Yes. The fossil record clearly indicates...

• a progression in complexity of organisms from very simple fossil forms in the oldest rocks (>3.5 billion years old) to a broad spectrum from simple to complex forms in younger rocks,

• that some organisms that were once common are now extinct, and

• that the living organisms inhabiting our world today are similar (but generally not the same) as organisms represented as fossils in young sedimentary deposits, which in turn have evolutionary ancestors represented as fossils in yet older rocks.

Mammals, for example, are prevalent today and can be traced back in the fossil record for approximately 200 million years, but are not present as mammals in the fossil record before that; however, fossil forms that have reasonably been interpreted to be associated with the evolutionary precursors to mammals are found in older rocks.

Whether biological evolution occurs has not been a matter of scientific debate for more than a century. It is considered a proven fact."

End quote
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#110748 Apr 6, 2014
Note the conclusion from these Baptist Christians and qualified science educators:

"Whether biological evolution occurs has not been a matter of scientific debate for more than a century. It is considered a proven fact."
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#110749 Apr 6, 2014
I went to the following webpage, which is on the site of the Southern Baptist Convention.

http://www.sbc.net/colleges.asp

This page lists all the colleges and universities that are affiliated with the Southern Baptists.

One of the first on the list is Samford University, which has a biology major.

On the Samford University website, I find this:

http://howard.samford.edu/uploadedFiles/Howar...

Statement on Evolution

Scientific understanding is advanced by the rigorous review of evidence about natural phenomena. Evolution, a foundational concept in biology, has been established through empirical evidence, and the consensus of the scientific community is that evolution is the best
explanation for the origins of biological diversity. Because an understanding of evolution is critical to the advancement of human health, the preservation of our environment, and an understanding of biological processes, our department strongly supports the teaching of evolution as an essential component of a quality education in the sciences.

Many scientists who study evolution hold deep religious convictions, and many religious organizations have issued statements in support of teaching evolution. The biology faculty at Samford University support the university’s mission to nurture persons for God, for learning,
forever, and believe in the compatibility of science and religion in regard to human origins and biological diversity. One of the benefits of a Samford education is an opportunity to view life from multiple perspectives, and many Samford faculty members have taken an active role in leading discussions about human origins in a variety of scholarly and religious settings.

For further reading:
The American Scientific Affiliation ( http://www.asa3.org/ )

AAAS Dialogue on Science, Education and Religion
( http://www.aaas.org/spp/dser/ )

The Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences
( http://www.ctns.org/about.html )

ELCA Alliance for Faith, Science, and Technology
( http://www.elca.org/faithandscience/ )

Episcopal Church Committee on Science, Technology, and Faith
( http://www.episcopalchurch.org/science/ )

The Metanexus Institute
( http://www.metanexus.net/metanexus_online/con... )

The Clergy Letter Project
( http://www.uwosh.edu/colleges/cols/clergy_pro... )

“The Edge”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#110750 Apr 6, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>They weren't fossilized, you twit.
They were put under a waterfall in a high-limestone area, and were covered with calcite - same process as stalagmite formation.
Sheesh.
Mineral coating not much different than this.......

http://www.keim.com/

“I can never convince the ”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

stupid that they are stupid.

#110751 Apr 6, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, I dunno.
"Arguments that should never be used
1. Moon dust thickness proves a young moon.
2. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics began at the Fall.(If so, how could Adam and Eve have eaten and digested their food that they were told to eat before the Fall?)
3. NASA computers, in calculating the positions of planets, found a missing day and 40 minutes, proving Joshua’s “long day”(Joshua 10) and Hezekiah’s sundial movement (2 Kings 20).
4. There are no beneficial mutations.
5. Darwin recanted on his deathbed.
6. Woolly mammoths were flash frozen during the Flood catastrophe.
7. If we evolved from apes, apes shouldn’t exist today.(In an evolutionary worldview, mankind did not evolve from apes but from an apelike ancestor, from which both humans and apes of today supposedly evolved.)
8. No new species have been produced.
9. Ron Wyatt has found much archeological proof of the Bible." - Answers in Genesis.
Full article here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/t...
Hey Mac, if wooly mammoths were flash frozen during the flood then how come whales and fish weren't? If there was flash freezing then how did the animals float at different layers in the water column to be entombed as the different fossil strata? Why are their no people fossils in any but the most recent strata if the dead things were all frozen in place?

I think it is all magic. Don't you think?(smiling)

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The Borderland of Sol

#110752 Apr 6, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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Why is a mule sterile?
Great Bog.

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