Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 201586 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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HTS

Mandan, ND

#110209 Mar 22, 2014
polymath257 wrote:
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First, the universe as we know it is about 13.7 billion years old. It is currently expanding and has been expanding for the last 13.7 billion years.
Second, it was much hotter and denser in the past (as a result of being more compressed).
Third, it did not expand from a central point. Instead, space itself is expanding.
Fourth, the initial stages of formation of simple atomic nuceli (hydrogen, helium, lithium) was very fast and happened within a few minutes of the start of the expansion. It wasn't until about 1-300,000 years later that the universe cooled enough for stable atoms (nuclei with electrons) to form. Stars and galaxies were much later.
Fifth, the heavier elements, like those required for life, did not form until the first generation of stars exploded (allowing fusion to make those elements).
Our sun is a third generation star and didn't form until about 9 billion years after the start of the universal expansion. The earth formed about the same time as the sun.
So, to answer your question, some aspects happened very quickly (formation of nuclei), while other processes took more time (stars, life, etc). In any case, the current expansion phase is about 13.7 billion years old and our earth is about 4.5 billion years old. Life has been around for at least 3.8 billion years, but complex life (multi-cellular) for only 1 billion years.
And yes, this is what the evidence we have dictates. There is no way to reasonably interpret the evidence as saying the earth is only thousands of years old.
You shouldn't speak of conjectures as if they are facts. You cannot prove any of the above statements.

“Wrath”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#110210 Mar 22, 2014
HTS wrote:
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You shouldn't speak of conjectures as if they are facts. You cannot prove any of the above statements.
Proving things to a baboon like you is hardly worth the time it takes to make us mad and you to look stupid.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#110211 Mar 22, 2014
HTS wrote:
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You shouldn't speak of conjectures as if they are facts. You cannot prove any of the above statements.
They have been proved to the satisfaction of the scientific community, and that is good enough. If you want details, I can provide them. Specifically which do you challenge and why?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#110212 Mar 23, 2014
HTS wrote:
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You shouldn't speak of conjectures as if they are facts. You cannot prove any of the above statements.
To really should read Marcus Chowm's "We Need To Talk Abot Kelvin".
It'll give you all you need to know about basic elemental formation, and it's practically in baby-talk. Even Luddites should be able to grasp it - and no, it's not "conjecture".

Sheesh.

“I am an ALIEN!!!”

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KREUZBERG...

#110213 Mar 23, 2014
I must know someone that can though...

“I am an ALIEN!!!”

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KREUZBERG...

#110214 Mar 23, 2014
Yikes...and in that is like where then there o ought arse one of a high cloud to sit on...

“I am an ALIEN!!!”

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KREUZBERG...

#110215 Mar 23, 2014
is there anything new in studies .

like that little slide show light and my darkness HEY Professor is there one around or NOT?????

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Since: Mar 12

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#110216 Mar 23, 2014
HTS wrote:
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You shouldn't speak of conjectures as if they are facts. You cannot prove any of the above statements.
Conjecture is a term more suitable to mathematics.

In science much of what Poly listed were hypotheses tested according to the predictions they made which were found to be empirically valid.

Since no other consistent hypotheses except for your "last thursdayism" are known to be consistent with the facts, they are to varying degrees now fullyaccepted in science. And your "last thursdayism" increasingly relies on the untenable idea that God set out to deceive us.
THE LONE WORKER

United States

#110217 Mar 23, 2014
Chimney1 wrote:
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Conjecture is a term more suitable to mathematics.
In science much of what Poly listed were hypotheses tested according to the predictions they made which were found to be empirically valid.
Since no other consistent hypotheses except for your "last thursdayism" are known to be consistent with the facts, they are to varying degrees now fullyaccepted in science. And your "last thursdayism" increasingly relies on the untenable idea that God set out to deceive us.
Where is the deception? A miracle is the exercising of his available power and things appear at once very quickly at his command. It doesn't take billions of years for a miracle such as the creation of the heaven and the earth to occur when all power in heaven and earth works together at the command of God. Things that appear to be old are formed as if the processes were natural that formed them, but when the supernatural power of God is involved, time is not an object. You deceive yourself when you deny the power of God.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#110218 Mar 23, 2014
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
<quoted text>Where is the deception? A miracle is the exercising of his available power and things appear at once very quickly at his command. It doesn't take billions of years for a miracle such as the creation of the heaven and the earth to occur when all power in heaven and earth works together at the command of God. Things that appear to be old are formed as if the processes were natural that formed them, but when the supernatural power of God is involved, time is not an object. You deceive yourself when you deny the power of God.
the same could be said for every god man has created, so by your "logic" they must exist also...all of them.

“Up with which, I will not put”

Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#110220 Mar 23, 2014
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
<quoted text>Where is the deception? A miracle is the exercising of his available power and things appear at once very quickly at his command. It doesn't take billions of years for a miracle such as the creation of the heaven and the earth to occur when all power in heaven and earth works together at the command of God. Things that appear to be old are formed as if the processes were natural that formed them, but when the supernatural power of God is involved, time is not an object. You deceive yourself when you deny the power of God.
OK Lone, but lets analyze this. If God created the Universe, and this miracle was created "at once" rather than evolving over time, what does God do nowadays? After creating all, does he now just sit back and 'chill'? Or is he still responsible for creating?

In other words, if you prayed for a little brother and finally your wish was granted, does this new little brother just appear in your home? According to your belief, since God creates things at once, an occurrence similar to a stork delivering your new little brother would occur. Or do you believe a baby is conceived from a mother's womb, i.e., evolution?

“Up with which, I will not put”

Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#110221 Mar 23, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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I have been reading your posts......
I would strongly encourage you to seek professional help and take some very strong medication because you are a dangerous nutjob
You are completely out of your mind.
She's an offspring of Jerry Garcia.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#110222 Mar 23, 2014
JM_Brazil wrote:
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She's an offspring of Jerry Garcia.
yet s/he can talk normal when needed. just another internet poser...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#110223 Mar 23, 2014
JM_Brazil wrote:
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OK Lone, but lets analyze this. If God created the Universe, and this miracle was created "at once" rather than evolving over time, what does God do nowadays? After creating all, does he now just sit back and 'chill'? Or is he still responsible for creating?
In other words, if you prayed for a little brother and finally your wish was granted, does this new little brother just appear in your home? According to your belief, since God creates things at once, an occurrence similar to a stork delivering your new little brother would occur. Or do you believe a baby is conceived from a mother's womb, i.e., evolution?
i hear he's a huge Laker's fan...

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#110224 Mar 23, 2014
THE LONE WORKER wrote:
<quoted text>Where is the deception? A miracle is the exercising of his available power and things appear at once very quickly at his command. It doesn't take billions of years for a miracle such as the creation of the heaven and the earth to occur when all power in heaven and earth works together at the command of God. Things that appear to be old are formed as if the processes were natural that formed them, but when the supernatural power of God is involved, time is not an object. You deceive yourself when you deny the power of God.
If you are reduced to Last Thursdayism, then you have lost the argument. We can only determine the nature of the past through measurements now and using the known laws of physics to determine what happened. Anything else is either resorting to the possibility of 'The Matrix' or some version of 'Last Thursdayism'. Both are intellectual dead-ends.

“I am an ALIEN!!!”

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Since: Dec 06

KREUZBERG...

#110225 Mar 23, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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I have been reading your posts......
I would strongly encourage you to seek professional help and take some very strong medication because you are a dangerous nutjob
You are completely out of your mind.
I think I am suffering from purgatory...

A hole!!!!

P.s.
Don't read my posts

“I am an ALIEN!!!”

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Since: Dec 06

KREUZBERG...

#110226 Mar 23, 2014
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yet s/he can talk normal when needed. just another internet poser...
F u

“I am an ALIEN!!!”

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Since: Dec 06

KREUZBERG...

#110227 Mar 23, 2014
I honestly urge not to comment if you do not have something more to add than what it is you are adding to what I am saying...

POSER????

I suppose you have yours yet coming...

“I am an ALIEN!!!”

Level 6

Since: Dec 06

KREUZBERG...

#110228 Mar 23, 2014
Hey and it is the INter netting the web that stores and keeps much felt Rapture and then sufferings...

How about you????

Down talk much??

Damns was wondering about outspokenness and American man...

Seems you guys really weren't much part of a process as far re-building and creating sustainability for one's Nation,,,'' How about a world past your ass crack bet you can't even manage that to wipe your own ass... MO FO
THE LONE WORKER

United States

#110230 Mar 23, 2014
JM_Brazil wrote:
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OK Lone, but lets analyze this. If God created the Universe, and this miracle was created "at once" rather than evolving over time, what does God do nowadays? After creating all, does he now just sit back and 'chill'? Or is he still responsible for creating?
In other words, if you prayed for a little brother and finally your wish was granted, does this new little brother just appear in your home? According to your belief, since God creates things at once, an occurrence similar to a stork delivering your new little brother would occur. Or do you believe a baby is conceived from a mother's womb, i.e., evolution?
We read that it was all created and he saw that it was good and then he rested from his work. All through the early old testament Bible scriptures, it was recorded that God said he would send his redeemer and at his appointed time this event happened and his Word was made flesh in the man Jesus who is the Christ the Son of the living God. Jesus has been given all power in heaven and earth and he now sits at the right hand of God and he and his father are one. This is what we know concerning your question. The first miracle that Jesus preformed of turning water into the best wine will be a good example of something that was made instantly by the power of the Creator. In the normal natural state of things as we know them, grapes would take time to grow and develop and then someone would process them and make the wine, but when the power of our Creator causes a miracle, great amounts of time and care are there as soon as they are commanded of him and even time is not a barrier. These are mysteries which man with our limited minds find hard to comprehend.

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