Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Jan 20, 2014
 
ChristineM wrote:
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Both figments of your own delusion but you are a godbot so it’s expected
that you lie for your god and your ignorance
There is considerable factual evidence for evolution, natural evidence,
physical evidence, scientific evidence, proven evidence that you cannot
deny without lying. but back to sentence 1 – you are a liar anyway so
hay ho…
English, the English you speak today developed in England. It started
fomr may dialects spread across Europe, the middles east and Indian sub
content, more recently there is more and more US, Canadian and other
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Wrong. Like i said, nothing can evolve without a cause or maker. You for example, came through your parents( maker). So by that, a maker or creator exist.

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ChristineM wrote:
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Both figments of your own delusion but you are a godbot so it’s expected
that you lie for your god and your ignorance
There is considerable factual evidence for evolution, natural evidence,
physical evidence, scientific evidence, proven evidence that you cannot
deny without lying. but back to sentence 1 – you are a liar anyway so
hay ho…
English, the English you speak today developed in England. It started
fomr may dialects spread across Europe, the middles east and Indian sub
content, more recently there is more and more US, Canadian and other
“new world” influences
And again, you are being delusional in your judgement. English, like every other languages started from many sources, but that credit should be given to them, that is why no other nations on earth are called the English. Can you dispute that?

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ChristineM wrote:
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Both figments of your own delusion but you are a godbot so it’s expected
that you lie for your god and your ignorance
There is considerable factual evidence for evolution, natural evidence,
physical evidence, scientific evidence, proven evidence that you cannot
deny without lying. but back to sentence 1 – you are a liar anyway so
hay ho…
English, the English you speak today developed in England. It started
fomr may dialects spread across Europe, the middles east and Indian sub
content, more recently there is more and more US, Canadian and other
“new world” influences
The people of the United states are called Americans, those in Canada are called, Canadians. But only England English, why? And i hope you knew about the English Americans and Canadians?

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ChristineM wrote:
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Both figments of your own delusion but you are a godbot so it’s expected
that you lie for your god and your ignorance
There is considerable factual evidence for evolution, natural evidence,
physical evidence, scientific evidence, proven evidence that you cannot
deny without lying. but back to sentence 1 – you are a liar anyway so
hay ho…
English, the English you speak today developed in England. It started
fomr may dialects spread across Europe, the middles east and Indian sub
content, more recently there is more and more US, Canadian and other
“new world” influences
And conclusively for evolution, there is no evolution or changes without creation. There must be creation before evolution. A good example is mutation.

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Jan 20, 2014
 
bohart wrote:
The creationist beef stew:
Cut 1 lb chuck cut into chunks , add
carrots, potato's, celery ,poblano peppers, onions,
spices, and one shiner bock beer
put all into crock pot and cook on low for 6 hours until done.
The evolutionist beef stew:
Wait for a huge storm which washes cows into the river and sweeps them down stream, during their plunge their skins are removed by the river rocks and the bodies are shredded by the force of the flood waters into bite size chunks and deposited into ponds, there they mix with potato's , carrots, spices, beer and other vegetables collected by the water. Eventually the earths thermal heat cooks the stew into a luscious treat for all. All done by natural forces.
p.s.... science is still working on where the shiner bock came from but natural causes are presumed
Wow, I had reserved my opinion earlier, but this post seals the deal - you sir, are an idiot.
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Jan 20, 2014
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And conclusively for evolution, there is no evolution or changes without creation. There must be creation before evolution. A good example is mutation.
And that is a natural phenomena which involves no intelligence mechanisms, at least, as far as can be detected.
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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The people of the United states are called Americans, those in Canada are called, Canadians. But only England English, why? And i hope you knew about the English Americans and Canadians?
Pluto owns English.
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bohart wrote:
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Please explain how DNA self assembled and where did that information come from
The theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis.

How is complexity measured? How do you know which is more complex out of the paper plane and the shuttle? What method of measurement are you using? What precisely is it you are counting?
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<quoted text>"Information is information, neither matter nor energy . No materialism that fails to take account of this can survive"

Norbert Weiner .........MIT mathematician and father of cybernetics
So he's NOT a biologist? Thought so.
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>RNA ... isn't an answer, but you already knew that
Since you don't have an answer either it doesn't matter. The theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis. How is complexity measured?
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Where did the DNA code get it's information?
The theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis.

This is not the abiogenesis debate forum. This is not the chemistry debate forum. This is the evolution forum. Abiogenesis remains a hypothesis and no-one has claimed it to be otherwise. It is irrelevant to the fact of evolution, due to the fact that life is here either way.

How is complexity measured?
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bohart wrote:
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what an idiotic response
information is information, neither matter nor energy.
That's because information does not exist. I know that response will make you go "WHAAAAAAA???", but that's okay. I can beat you over the head with that point too, no problem.

But until we get around to that, I will just ask: How is complexity measured?
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bohart wrote:
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The only factual part of your statement was the first sentence, The rest of your statement was just grasping at straws.
Frankly you don't even come close to having the edication to say that, other than the mere ability to say it without really understanding what you mean.
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<quoted text>They are two problems of the first DNA, Where did the information come from, and how did it self assemble.
The first problem isn't a problem. Information does not exist. The second problem is how we got from RNA to DNA. This is a problem. For abiogenesis researchers, who are currently looking into it. However the theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis.
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<quoted text>There is no none natural process that can do those.
Actually there is. It's called chemistry. Creates them all the time every day, all over the world.

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Jan 20, 2014
 
bohart wrote:
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If you don't know, just say it! instead of bullsheete.
Explain the process of how your curry ingredients come together on their own and cook themselves to get your great result.
That's really how silly your reasoning is
The theory of evolution doesn't rely on abiogenesis. How is complexity measured?

Take your time Bo.
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bohart wrote:
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Wow! RNA polymerase is an enzyme . It does not produce information for DNA .
No, humans produce information for DNA. I already explained this to you. DNA is a protein molecule, consisting of the chemicals adenine, cytosine, guanine and thymine.
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<quoted text>You are astonishing actually. Something assembles itself? The lengths you people go to defend your religion.
No religion needed. Plants assemble themselves. They do not all require an "intelligent planter". In fact evidence indicates they were around before intelligent life was.

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bohart wrote:
The creationist beef stew:
Cut 1 lb chuck cut into chunks , add
carrots, potato's, celery ,poblano peppers, onions,
spices, and one shiner bock beer
put all into crock pot and cook on low for 6 hours until done.
The evolutionist beef stew:
Wait for a huge storm which washes cows into the river and sweeps them down stream, during their plunge their skins are removed by the river rocks and the bodies are shredded by the force of the flood waters into bite size chunks and deposited into ponds, there they mix with potato's , carrots, spices, beer and other vegetables collected by the water. Eventually the earths thermal heat cooks the stew into a luscious treat for all. All done by natural forces.
p.s.... science is still working on where the shiner bock came from but natural causes are presumed
No, evolutionist stew is eat the cow raw. Still a viable meal, but note how artificial processes are just different enough to natural phenomena to demonstrate your analogy is flawed. You may as well have just relied on the old creationist staple Man makes cars/computers/houses/whatever therefore God make humans.

But your analogy is still an analogy, and made without evidence.

How is complexity measured?
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timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Dude was *stealing a car.*(or stealing from cars). That is not a similar case.
Woz not!

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ChristineM wrote:
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You have just shown your bare butt in public by admitting that you are clueless about the advancement of modem genetics.
You also bared it again by claiming that information was neither matter nor energy. It can be both.
In a sense, it IS both. In that it exists as brain states in our heads.

But in the sense that Bo is using it, it doesn't exist. "Information" is completely independent from both energy and matter.

He's about to find out the hard way.

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ChristineM wrote:
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You have just shown your bare butt in public by admitting that you are clueless about the advancement of modem genetics.
You also bared it again by claiming that information was neither matter nor energy. It can be both.
"Information is information, neither matter nor energy. No materialism that fails to take account of this can survive "

Norbert Weiner.......MIT Mathematician and father of cybernetics

As usual when you evolutionary religionists have no answers you accuse people of being uneducated , ignorant and blinded by religion, when it's you who have exposed your own lack of knowledge.

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The Dude wrote:
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No, evolutionist stew is eat the cow raw. Still a viable meal, but note how artificial processes are just different enough to natural phenomena to demonstrate your analogy is flawed. You may as well have just relied on the old creationist staple Man makes cars/computers/houses/whatever therefore God make humans.
But your analogy is still an analogy, and made without evidence.
How is complexity measured?
Oh,no,no, the evolutionist beef stew process is absolutely true . All the building blocks for the stew are readily available and the natural forces are obviously capable of rendering this stew with no need of any outside intelligence or deity. Given enough time and probabilities the above scenario will produce a variety of soups and stews

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The Dude wrote:
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No, evolutionist stew is eat the cow raw. Still a viable meal, but note how artificial processes are just different enough to natural phenomena to demonstrate your analogy is flawed. You may as well have just relied on the old creationist staple Man makes cars/computers/houses/whatever therefore God make humans.
But your analogy is still an analogy, and made without evidence.
How is complexity measured?
organized and disorganized complexity. posited by Warren Weaver 1948

Question, is a life form disorganized or organized

take your time

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Jan 20, 2014
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong. Like i said, nothing can evolve without a cause or maker. You for example, came through your parents( maker). So by that, a maker or creator exist.
What you said and what you believe is irrelevant. What is evidential fact makes you look a fool
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And again, you are being delusional in your judgement. English, like every other languages started from many sources, but that credit should be given to them, that is why no other nations on earth are called the English. Can you dispute that?
There you go, contradicting yourself again

First you said and I quote “English started in England.”

Then you said, and I quote” English, like every other languages started from many sources”

Are you not aware of your confusion here?

Why should the credit be given to the English? The language developed over hundreds of years and you have just stated “English, like every other languages started from many sources” Perhaps some of the credit should go to these many sources. Perhaps some to ancient Rome, perhaps some to northern Europe, perhaps some to France. All places where the English language started
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The people of the United states are called Americans, those in Canada are called, Canadians. But only England English, why? And i hope you knew about the English Americans and Canadians?
And the majority of the people in the US speak English and many of the people in Canada speak English.

How about Scotland, Ireland, what about Barbados, Cameroon, Ghana, the Philippines. What about Australia?

You condescending prick.
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And conclusively for evolution, there is no evolution or changes without creation. There must be creation before evolution. A good example is mutation.
Yes of course but the fact that a thing must be created does not imply a creator. There is nothing in quantum science to say that effect cannot come before or is even related to cause. And of course you are confusing the birth of the universe with evolution. This is typical of a godbot who has no comprehension of time

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