Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216695 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#107928 Jan 14, 2014
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Sphere is more accurate term than round. I was just making the point to the other poster. The word was translated circular in the passage in Job,. A good book is by Dr. Jeff Miller the title is Science VS Evolution.it points out most findings of scientists are not really facts but speculations, one thing the evolutionists ignore is that no scientist has made life from non living matter like our creator did.
that author is an idiot. you area n idiot fro believing him in the face of all the facts that show him, and ou wrong on this...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#107929 Jan 14, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> non living matter via God.
god is living matter? god is actually matter?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#107930 Jan 14, 2014
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Go to Romans 1:18-23 there it shows that folks deny/ignore God and resort to silly speculations to explain creation and other things
I didn't deny or ignore anything, jackass. Nor did I mention creation. Why don't you address what I posted instead of spewing gibberish.

“So it's not you, It's them?”

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Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#107931 Jan 14, 2014
cancer suxs wrote:
<quoted text>
The buybull is made up crap. Written by ignorant goat herders. This is 2014 your BS holds no sway in todays world.
It has been "conveniently" abridged, altered, edited, revised so many times, but so many editors over the years subsequent to then, both known and unknown, many of them just as ignorant as the original goatherders, that we have no idea what the original ignorant goat herders wrote. Zealot fundies who now actually believe that it represents "The Word" are both funny and sad.
Patriot

Mount Juliet, TN

#107932 Jan 14, 2014
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>god is living matter? god is actually matter?
God is spirit and living
Patriot

Mount Juliet, TN

#107933 Jan 14, 2014
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't deny or ignore anything, jackass. Nor did I mention creation. Why don't you address what I posted instead of spewing gibberish.
Before you call someone a Jack*** you better first look at the mirror
Patriot

Mount Juliet, TN

#107934 Jan 14, 2014
cancer suxs wrote:
<quoted text>
The buybull is made up crap. Written by ignorant goat herders. This is 2014 your BS holds no sway in todays world.
You are treading on thin ice by stating God's inspired word is BS. If you would read it and know what is says you and your friends on here will be much better off than following whatever it is(man made ideas) that guides you.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#107935 Jan 14, 2014
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>You are treading on thin ice by stating God's inspired word is BS. If you would read it and know what is says you and your friends on here will be much better off than following whatever it is(man made ideas) that guides you.
And you KNOW that the Bible is "God's inspired word" because.......?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#107936 Jan 14, 2014
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Before you call someone a Jack*** you better first look at the mirror
I did. No jackass there. You must have been looking in your mirror.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#107937 Jan 14, 2014
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>You are treading on thin ice by stating God's inspired word is BS. If you would read it and know what is says you and your friends on here will be much better off than following whatever it is(man made ideas) that guides you.
but it is PROVEN bullshit. the god your cult attempted to create int he bible is proved false by the bible itself. you are worshiping a false god in your cult. a proven false god.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#107938 Jan 14, 2014
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Sphere is more accurate term than round. I was just making the point to the other poster. The word was translated circular in the passage in Job,. A good book is by Dr. Jeff Miller the title is Science VS Evolution.it points out most findings of scientists are not really facts but speculations, one thing the evolutionists ignore is that no scientist has made life from non living matter like our creator did.
The theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis.

Of course if your Doc Miller was a real scientist he would know this. This leaves only two options:

1 - Miller hasn't the faintest clue what he's talking about.

2 - He's just yet another liar for Jesus in a long line of liars for Jesus waiting for his place in hell.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#107939 Jan 14, 2014
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Go to Romans 1:18-23 there it shows that folks deny/ignore God and resort to silly speculations to explain creation and other things
There is no need to deny what you can't even demonstrate exists.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#107940 Jan 14, 2014
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>The "law" of rational reason states one draws conclusion from availible evidence, if one such as scientists draw conclusions lacking evidence(speculations) their reasoning is not rational.
Unfortunately for you, you are not rational. This is why:

1 - you claim to be smarter than Hawking even though you don't even know how to spell his name.

2 - You believe reality isn't real because Jews are magic.

3 - You have zero evidence for your position.

4 - Evidence is irrelevant to the creationist position anyway.

Ergo you are the last person on the planet to be giving lectures about evidence.
Patriot wrote:
Also scientists ignore that laws such as gravity, thermodynamics etc in order to be a law it must have a writer of the law, laws do not write themselves.
A law is a written ideal. It is not a real thing. It is a written expression of what people expect reality to be. However sometimes, reality is not quite how people expect it to be.

This is why banks are sometimes still robbed even though there are laws against it.

This is why planet Mercury violates the "law" of gravity, therefore Newton's rules have since been replaced with Einstein's THEORY of Relativity, which in turn is being replaced by quantum physics.
Patriot wrote:
The universe for example has 1, to always have existed, 2, created itself 3, or outside power create it.
All possible.

Note that this "outside power" need not necessarily be intelligent.
Patriot wrote:
by laws such as thermodynamics invalidate the first 2 options,
Except it doesn't. You don't understand thermodynamics and are claiming this just because some lying creationist said so.

This is despite the fact that these limits you attempt to place on the universe, if true, would also apply to your god. Unless of course you claim that God is an extra special exception which doesn't have to conform to your arbitrary limits. Never mind the fact you have no evidence of such an entity in the first place.
Patriot wrote:
scientists say the universe is winding down, in order to be winding it must have been fully wound sometime in the past.
"Winding down" isn't exactly a scientific term.What IS happening is that entropy is always increasing, and energy is decreasing. This demonstrates that our current universal expansion phase is finite - it had a beginning and it will have an end. This says NOTHING about our universe being part of a much larger multiverse, or an infinite string of sequential universes. And certainly does not justify the claim that Jews are magic.

By the way, none of this is relevant to the validity of the theory of evolution.

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Level 5

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107941 Jan 14, 2014
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>You are treading on thin ice by stating God's inspired word is BS. If you would read it and know what is says you and your friends on here will be much better off than following whatever it is(man made ideas) that guides you.
Hey Jack***, did you call for a mirror? Maybe you should re-read your own gibberish.
Exactly what is it that wrote the Bible and what preaches that it is true? Oh, right.. that would be humans. If your deity is the all encompassing and pervasive spirit of life, why do termites respect the Bible no more than they do a chunk of pine? If I toss a Bible across the yard, my dog will be more than happy to shred it as a chew toy... you don't find that an odd way for one of God's Creatures to treat His Holy Word?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#107942 Jan 14, 2014
Patriot wrote:
Christine M, take into account the law of biogenetics which states life comes from life.
I think you ACTUALLY mean Pasteur's Law of Biogenesis.

Which was basically pointing out that fully-formed organisms (such as maggots in dead bodies) did not spontaneously appear, as was once previously thought. It has NOTHING to say about the gradual development of life via natural chemical processes. Something which happens every day all over the planet.

In short it's an argument against creationism.

Notice again how you got both the NAME of the concept wrong, as well as the concept wrong.
Patriot wrote:
The creaton account invalidates that
Your mythical fairy-tales do not invalidate science just like Harry Potter doesn't invalidate history.
Patriot wrote:
since life was created from nonliving matter
Again, happens all over the world every day. EVERYTHING that makes up your body is formed out of matter that was previously NOT alive. Your parents ingested non-living material and converted it into living material.

The problem you are unable to grasp is that ALL the way through the process, it's all chemistry. Life is chemistry. The non-living processes previous to life are also chemistry. So your claim is that chemistry makes chemistry, but chemistry definitely can't make chemistry. Don't worry, I know all this is going totally above your little head but at least everyone else will understand.

Oh, and according to your own rules, your own god breaks those exact same rules. A lifeform which does not come from a previous lifeform. A lifeform which isn't even a biological organism. A lifeform which doesn't even inhabit our universe, like every single other lifeform ever known does. So while the science will obviously fly straight over your head, I'm sure that even YOU can recognise your own hypocrisy here.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#107943 Jan 14, 2014
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>God is spirit and living
But living beings are not spirits. They are biological organisms.

You say that all life must come from previous life because that's what is observed? Then I say that all lifeforms are biological organisms made of living matter, because that's all that's observed.

Cue special dispensation for invisible Jew magic.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#107944 Jan 14, 2014
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>You are treading on thin ice by stating God's inspired word is BS.
You are treading on thin ice by stating that Zeus's inspired Word is BS.

Pascal's wager is NOT good for you.
Patriot wrote:
If you would read it and know what is says you and your friends on here will be much better off than following whatever it is(man made ideas) that guides you.
You don't care what the Bible says, otherwise you would be a Biblical literalist and claim that the Earth was a flat square circle at the center of the universe which all revolves around the Earth. Instead when the Bible says something like that you claim it says something else because there was an error in translation, thanks to the work of creationist "scholars" who did all the work for you, because you can't read it in the original Hebrew or Aramaic. And those in turn can't read it in the original either since the original document doesn't even exist anymore.

But it's all true! Despite the fact you can't verify a single word of it.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#107945 Jan 14, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> non living matter via God.
Right. So life can't come from non-life, unless Goddidit, in which case you have NO argument against abiogenesis. Since it's pretty silly saying that it can't happen when your claim is that God made it happen anyway.

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Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#107946 Jan 14, 2014
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Right. So life can't come from non-life, unless Goddidit,
If God did it then it is life from life in line with biogenesis.

Gen. 1:1

In the beginning [Time]
God created the heavens [Space]
and the Earth [matter]

From matter God creates man.

Genesis 1:1 presupposes God outside time space and matter.
in which case you have NO argument against abiogenesis.
Abiogenesis is an ad hoc exception which violates known laws of Science. It cannot be duplicated or observed. Inert matter insufficient cause to effect life no matter the time or circumstance unless there is a life form to direct the process which would be in line with biogenesis.
Since it's pretty silly saying that it can't happen when your claim is that God made it happen anyway.
Far more of a reasonable assumption then all of the diversity of life happening through non intelligent non directed causes whatever that may be. It is painstaking to observe the length atheists will undertake to delete God out of the picture.

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Level 5

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107947 Jan 14, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> If God did it then it is life from life in line with biogenesis.
Gen. 1:1
In the beginning [Time]
God created the heavens [Space]
and the Earth [matter]
From matter God creates man.
Genesis 1:1 presupposes God outside time space and matter.
<quoted text> Abiogenesis is an ad hoc exception which violates known laws of Science. It cannot be duplicated or observed. Inert matter insufficient cause to effect life no matter the time or circumstance unless there is a life form to direct the process which would be in line with biogenesis.<quoted text> Far more of a reasonable assumption then all of the diversity of life happening through non intelligent non directed causes whatever that may be. It is painstaking to observe the length atheists will undertake to delete God out of the picture.
Except that "abiogenesis" doesn't violate any natural laws and there is no truth in the statement that it cannot be duplicated or observed, only that it has not yet been duplicated/observed in a controlled setting.
Didn't you then mean to say that it is tedious to what lengths people will go to rationalize their presupposed and personally preferred bronze age mythology?

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