Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 209724 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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anonymous

Absecon, NJ

#107744 Dec 22, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Accept the truth and move on.
The truth is that you're a very sad creature.

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#107745 Dec 22, 2013
The saddest part about it all is it is not a search of the truth. It is about one side against the other side and both sides lie and make shyt up tying to convince people to come to their side. Neither side knows or will ever know the truth about it. The battle between evolutionists and creationists have became as bad if not worse than the battle between democrats and republicans. If your on their side they will tell you what you want to hear and if your not on their side they will lie to you to try to get you on their side. SMDH
anonymous

Absecon, NJ

#107746 Dec 22, 2013
replaytime wrote:
The saddest part about it all is it is not a search of the truth. It is about one side against the other side and both sides lie and make shyt up tying to convince people to come to their side. Neither side knows or will ever know the truth about it. The battle between evolutionists and creationists have became as bad if not worse than the battle between democrats and republicans. If your on their side they will tell you what you want to hear and if your not on their side they will lie to you to try to get you on their side. SMDH
The Evolution "side" doesn't have much to gain by their views. Granted, I'll certainly profile liberals who want to rationalize a few things as using Evolution for political advantage, but you seem to imply that evolution = liberal = anti-God. It's kind of a "which came first" scenario. Evolution is science based on empirical evidence that simply does not support the literal interpretation of most holy books.

We've been there before. As soon as you name the beast, the fanatics come out of the closet with all of their rhetoric and trash talk. If you want to go there, we can go there. Most of the people on this thread don't want to though. It's only the "troubled" people who really want to hurt others who keep steering it back to those wedge issues.

Personally, I am not out to kill God, nor am I trying to steer the discussion to monkey love. I'm not trying to thump a Bible and condemn people. I'm not peddling some nut-job eugenics theory either. Send up a flag when someone has a Creationist theory with some merit, or just call the whole thing a test of faith, but don't question the time-tested credibility of Evolution science with one sweeping gesture of condemnation simply because you don't know the reason for everything.

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#107748 Dec 22, 2013
replaytime wrote:
The saddest part about it all is it is not a search of the truth. It is about one side against the other side and both sides lie and make shyt up tying to convince people to come to their side. Neither side knows or will ever know the truth about it. The battle between evolutionists and creationists have became as bad if not worse than the battle between democrats and republicans. If your on their side they will tell you what you want to hear and if your not on their side they will lie to you to try to get you on their side. SMDH
No, its a search for truth by one side using empirical evidence and logic, and the dislike of the potential consequences of those truths by the other side.

Its that simple.

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#107749 Dec 22, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Accept the truth and move on.
Public Domain

noun: public domain; plural noun: public domains
1.
the state of belonging or being available to the public as a whole, especially through not being subject to copyright or other legal restrictions.

English is not subject to copyright or legal restrictions of any kind and as such the concept of ownership is meaningless. End of story. Months of argument wasted over a meaningless claim by you.

As to evolution, it is independently corroborated by multiple lines of scientific evidence, and no amount of your Godly bellyaching is going to change the fact that it is accepted by the overwhelming majority of scientists and educated laymen.

Perhaps its time YOU accepted the truth and moved on. You can keep God if it pleases you, but you cannot ditch evolution just because you don't like it.

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#107750 Dec 22, 2013
replaytime wrote:
The saddest part about it all is it is not a search of the truth. It is about one side against the other side and both sides lie and make shyt up tying to convince people to come to their side. Neither side knows or will ever know the truth about it. The battle between evolutionists and creationists have became as bad if not worse than the battle between democrats and republicans. If your on their side they will tell you what you want to hear and if your not on their side they will lie to you to try to get you on their side. SMDH
Describe the lies you claim evolutionists have had to tell in trying to persuade you to accept their views.

Looks to me like this attempt to claim parity on both sides is your own last ditch effort to reject the science because you don't like the consequences, as you see them, of accepting evolution.

That is no argument, its a cop out.
anonymous

Absecon, NJ

#107751 Dec 23, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, its a search for truth by one side using empirical evidence and logic, and the dislike of the potential consequences of those truths by the other side.
Its that simple.
That's still a word game. There's truth and then there's Truth. Sounds silly? Well....

What it comes down to with the faithful is how they rationalize abstract concepts that really are beyond their comprehension. Idemi obsesses on death. Other people need a purpose. Some people just feel an inner need to be told what to think, but you'll never convince them of those obvious things because they all share a need to grapple with the infinite even though they have absolutely no way to grapple with the infinite.

You can throw irrational numbers at them, You can talk about the Big Bang as a cyclical loop. It doesn't matter. They are convinced that it's a lie if they can't personally build a leash to hold and control it. Selfish intent is the rule and no matter how you approach the subject, they will be convinced of YOUR selfish intent as a means of hiding THEIR selfish intent. The problem is most people ARE selfish......so where do we go from here?

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#107755 Dec 25, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Describe the lies you claim evolutionists have had to tell in trying to persuade you to accept their views.
Looks to me like this attempt to claim parity on both sides is your own last ditch effort to reject the science because you don't like the consequences, as you see them, of accepting evolution.
That is no argument, its a cop out.
I am kind of curious about those claimed lies myself.

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#107756 Dec 25, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Describe the lies you claim evolutionists have had to tell in trying to persuade you to accept their views.
Looks to me like this attempt to claim parity on both sides is your own last ditch effort to reject the science because you don't like the consequences, as you see them, of accepting evolution.
That is no argument, its a cop out.
Both sides have lied. It is that simple. If you deny that then you are a liar.

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#107757 Dec 25, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Describe the lies you claim evolutionists have had to tell in trying to persuade you to accept their views.
Looks to me like this attempt to claim parity on both sides is your own last ditch effort to reject the science because you don't like the consequences, as you see them, of accepting evolution.
That is no argument, its a cop out.
Let me add to this:

Both sides have lied. It is that simple. If you deny that then you are a liar. But that does not make all that either side says lies.

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#107758 Dec 25, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Both sides have lied. It is that simple. If you deny that then you are a liar.
I haven't lied about anything.

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#107759 Dec 25, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me add to this:
Both sides have lied. It is that simple. If you deny that then you are a liar. But that does not make all that either side says lies.
Seriously, where are the statements made regarding evolution, that you claim a lies. That is what was requested.
drinK the hivE

Secaucus, NJ

#107760 Dec 25, 2013
Just Another Circle Full Of Jerk'...

JBH

Richmond, Canada

#107761 Dec 26, 2013
When cold war is over, that means there is no more tension between communism and democracy.
It also means it is not the time anymore to define or think which is more beautiful or evil, related to democracy or communism because the difference has been melted away in the meaning.
Unless there are still radicals who go along and believe what Bush said regarding WMD and Iraq, this is a new world moving on to the new future when cold war is over.
If one does not believe what Bush said as he was a liar, why would one believe what he said about North Korea and Iran and Cuba?
Seriously speaking, no one expects to see that Iran or North Korea could use nukes to hit the west in one's lifetime, other than like British Tony Blair saying Saddam would assemble WMD in silos and flew them to UK, in previous Iraq gambit.
Just which is more elegant, as a relative value judgment, democracy or communism when west has no more such freedom anymore but many innocents in jails? Since people perhaps don't expect to live in NK, Iran, Cuba, but why still propel against them like in the old days of cold war?
In the west, areas are doing badly are that freedom liberty, free expressions and so on matters are eroding while police are volatile. There are a lot of victims and innocents being abused by police and no justice comes about within the system. There are more people in jails and innocents convicted than those put in prisons, in NK, Iran and Cuba--this is in no way to say communism is all that good either, but just to make facts straight to look at.
Perhaps you might not have experienced that, but a lot of people do have such sufferings of suffering from injustice and being abused. You say you don't care because it is not you.
But what sort of society is that if people are randomly abused, you are there to pump up against communism about NK ,Iran? That will cause more tensions and conflicts with these countries.
To proceed the furthering of the dictated situations by using the wrongdoer, the evil liar Bush's gimmicks about NK, Iran , could lead to wars and might end up worsening by wasting soldiers' lives and having very bad ends.
US has charged at least 900 people under Patriot Act.
More likely, PRISM might spy AND HACK ON YOU .
YOUR CELLPHONE CONVERSATIONS , emails ARE MOST LIKELY tapped by NSA. You are facing all these problematic troubles with lots of lairs to you in the west.
At least 60 % of cellphone conversations in North America, western Europe have been collected in the database by NSA..
North Korea, Iran and Cuba have not and would not hack on you to downgrade your free speech on the Internet and elsewhere, and mess your freedom rights privacy and come to the west to steal and rob.
Only ill people will say they will have nukes (as NK already has) to hit the west.
BY the inclination based on true facts known from the past, if US would not make war and use anymore those atomic bombs alike nuke bombs, the world is fine to look forward to see that instead.
SO HEAVY WEAPONS IN US HANDS ARE PROVEN VERY DANGEROUS.
The many problems that people are facing are such terrible situations at the present time that they should be concerned in, but not NK, Iran and Cuba.
The new world needs to be co-existent PEACEFULLY with NO MORE CHAOS BY USING RADICALISM TO counter COMMUNISM when cold war is over, AS their communism won't be you.
But so far, is there anything new, other than the habitual coming up with neo-McCathyism and neo-Nazism and many are still buried in the ongoing belief of their mentor Bush's saying , on NK, Iran and Cuba?
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#107762 Dec 26, 2013
U.S. condemns Christmas attacks that kill 37 Christians in Iraq

By Paul Richter
December 25, 2013, 9:51 a.m.

WASHINGTON -- The State Department condemned twin Christmas Day attacks on Christians in Iraq that killed at least 37 people.

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-w ...
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RELATED TO THE ABOVE STORY, JUST ASK WHO STARTED ALL THESE?
If it wasn't US, who else would it be?
Never since the history of Iraq, there is something like that with the unlimited continuous violences of more than 11 straight years upon Bush committing the invasion.
In other words, when Bush broke down the Iraqi society from US occupation, there spread and multiplied numerous fragments which resulted all the unrest and violences.
If there was no invasion and Saddam would eventually quit or retired by himself or be taken over or replaced by anyone, there would not be such unrest for such long.
But US did it to this crisis situation in Iraq.
This Iraq saga created by Bush, could be the stunning record, that such violences of every week or every day occurrences, are at least over 6,000 to 10,000 in number by now (as reports may not report all, over last 11 years), and that seems to be never ending.
This is a serious problem which signals the serious wrongs and failure done by Bush.

What is the point of US condemning without pointing fingers to itself which started all?

The complicated situation is that violences go on and on for 11 years, which would give the appraisal that Bush acted very wrongly, and conducted engaging in the torture, as unbearable and insane.

Even violences end today and there will be no more such occurrences, however, with the straight, continuous unrest with thousands of cases of violences for this long time of 11 years, the assessment of US case in Iraq is simply terrible--it was the global matter and not merely US matter, while it took in its hands by forced dictation.

SOME MIGHT SAY IRAQ IS WORSE THAN Vietnam, BECAUSE Vietnam ended all the warfare and violences within a short time of few months when US retreated.

As this Iraq crisis is going on to this time, it really stands out as the most ugly, crazy and insane matters according to the view of reasoning and rationalization by human civilization in these modern times.

How did it happen since too many people were against it during UN inspection, and before Bush started the invasion, when in fact millions of people were demonstrating against it all over the planet?

Yet, global masses' viewpoints are still not well-received and served by UN--from UN's engaging in many world matters when cold war is over, including ignoring the situations of Iraq.
Because there has been over too long unrest already in Iraq, this depicts the focal judgment of why it is so wrong to start and do evil things, by creating immense problematic troubles with no solutions.

The examination is that for 11 years of unrest in Iraq, some could even think it may have to go for the 12 or 20 years to see if not any more violences in order to fulfill Bush's saying that is the history judgment.

How could that be --11 straight years of unrest are really overboard and too much already, which would give the apparent end of the whole story of Iraq, while that says the Iraq case is rated as serious,silly failure by now, without having to look for some more years or future time to determine if there is any other new story?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#107763 Dec 26, 2013
JBH wrote:
U.S. condemns Christmas attacks that kill 37 Christians in Iraq
Damn, son...

Nice rant, but wrong forum.

Note that this is an "EVOLUTION" forum.

Not a political one.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#107764 Dec 26, 2013
I am merely a commentator giving straightforward comments, just like many others around the world.

Perhaps, the demonstrations against Iraq war before it happened were the largest of all times (up to 10 or more millions had demonstrated all over the world on earth since any time in world history, even bigger than the demonstrations against the Vietnam war--yet much demonstrations were only after Vietnam had stated), this showed the lacking concern of world voices in the Iraq case seems non-productive and harmful.

This world is always diverse with lots of talents and opinions all over the planet that tells and judges world affairs.

People cannot keep denying any others' voices and judgment on this planet in the awareness and consciousness of what is going on.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#107765 Dec 26, 2013
JBH wrote:
I am merely a commentator giving straightforward comments, just like many others around the world.

Perhaps, the demonstrations against Iraq war before it happened were the largest of all times (up to 10 or more millions had demonstrated all over the world on earth since any time in world history, even bigger than the demonstrations against the Vietnam war--yet much demonstrations were only after Vietnam had stated), this showed the lacking concern of world voices in the Iraq case seems non-productive and harmful.

This world is always diverse with lots of talents and opinions all over the planet that tells and judges world affairs.

People cannot keep denying any others' voices and judgment on this planet in the awareness and consciousness of what is going on.
Please be a "commentator" on an appropriate thread. This thread being INAPPROPRIATE.

Thank you.

“Help religion science wander”

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#107766 Dec 26, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Please be a "commentator" on an appropriate thread. This thread being INAPPROPRIATE.
Thank you.
Agreed.

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#107767 Dec 26, 2013
Found this, comments solicited, please:

Nahmanides[Nah-man-nid-ez]( &#1512;&#1489;&#14 97; &#1502;&#1513;&#14 92; &#1489;&#1503; &#1504;&#1495;&#15 02;&#1503;), also known as Rabbi Moses ben Na&#7717;man Girondi, Bonastruc ça (de) Porta and by his acronym Ramban (1194 – 1270), was a leading medieval Jewish scholar, Spanish Sephardic rabbi, philosopher, physician, kabbalist, and biblical commentator. He was raised, studied, and lived for most of his life in Girona, Catalonia.

His commentary on the creation of the world describes the universe expanding, and matter forming:

"...At the briefest instant following creation all the matter of the universe was concentrated in a very small place, no larger than a grain of mustard. The matter at this time was very thin, so intangible, that it did not have real substance. It did have, however, a potential to gain substance and form and to become tangible matter. From the initial concentration of this intangible substance in its minute location, the substance expanded, expanding the universe as it did so. As the expansion progressed, a change in the substance occurred. This initially thin noncorporeal substance took on the tangible aspects of matter as we know it. From this initial act of creation, from this etherieally thin pseudosubstance, everything that has existed, or will ever exist, was, is, and will be formed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahmanides

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