Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Jan 6, 2011, Best of New Orleans story titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Leave That Thing Alone!”

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#107611 Dec 13, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text>I stated that there are megatons of ice on the TOPS of mountains...and I stated that there are water CRYSTALS in the atmosphere that travel freely as high as the ozone layer...U twisted what I stated to fit your rebuttal...and to tell U the truth, I believe that U're someone's SOCKPUPPET because I noticed that as soon as a certain couple of people talked about leaving the forum because of some bickering, U just so happen to POP-UP!! Maybe just coincidence...but likely not!! U need to register to TOPIX because if U're not registered, that lets us know that U are nothing more than one of these registered folks in disguise!!
What have you got against the word "you" and it's relatives?

Level 1

Since: Jan 12

Memphis, TN

#107612 Dec 13, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>if these records are sacred and preserved, how do you know about them? just because some nut says they are there does not make it so.
we do have very documented, written records from the romans that clearly show this hebrew culture of yours to be laden with clear, provable falsehoods. the entire story of jesus being born in Bethlehem...fabricated. if there is one thing the romans kept meticulous records of, it was their taxation and census taking. there was no census at that time.
do not confuse oral myth with history.
Have U never been taught about the agenda of the Holy Roman Empire?...to make sure that power over the people was kept within their kingdom...when Jesus was crucified how much power it had given to the synagogue as followers of the teachings of Christ became large in numbers?...that for centuries the Roman Empire waged war and attempted to destroy the entire history of the Hebrew people through means of torture, politics, threat of imprisonment for the very mention of any other power outside of the Holy Roman Empire?!? We can't rely on Roman literature to dictate the history of its enemies, duh!!! The Jews and Muslims at one point in history fought together AGAINST the Roman Empire. So U know that there had always been that power struggle with the Romans so U have no argument in saying that just because their records don't match with the Hebrews' that we must dismiss the Hebrew text altogether!!

“See how you are?”

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107613 Dec 13, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text>I stated that there are megatons of ice on the TOPS of mountains...and I stated that there are water CRYSTALS in the atmosphere that travel freely as high as the ozone layer...U twisted what I stated to fit your rebuttal...and to tell U the truth, I believe that U're someone's SOCKPUPPET because I noticed that as soon as a certain couple of people talked about leaving the forum because of some bickering, U just so happen to POP-UP!! Maybe just coincidence...but likely not!! U need to register to TOPIX because if U're not registered, that lets us know that U are nothing more than one of these registered folks in disguise!!
I see no reason that U can't believe the dUde is a sockpUppet devised to pick on U... I've seen Ur other posts, so I don't find paranoia and thoUghts of persecUtion to be weird at all..

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#107614 Dec 13, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text>Have U never been taught about the agenda of the Holy Roman Empire?...to make sure that power over the people was kept within their kingdom...when Jesus was crucified how much power it had given to the synagogue as followers of the teachings of Christ became large in numbers?...that for centuries the Roman Empire waged war and attempted to destroy the entire history of the Hebrew people through means of torture, politics, threat of imprisonment for the very mention of any other power outside of the Holy Roman Empire?!? We can't rely on Roman literature to dictate the history of its enemies, duh!!! The Jews and Muslims at one point in history fought together AGAINST the Roman Empire. So U know that there had always been that power struggle with the Romans so U have no argument in saying that just because their records don't match with the Hebrews' that we must dismiss the Hebrew text altogether!!
oh dear, oh dear, oh dear...it was not jewish history they were keeping in their tax and census records...it was their own..

the followers of jesus only became large in numbers when paul started teaching his own heretical (to jesus and his apostles) ideology to the gentiles....

have you actually done any study of this issue at all beyond your sunday school teachings as a child? you seem to have a child's level of understanding of the history of this time.

sorry you cannot even understand the topic here...

there are no hebrew records of this supposed census either, dear.

do you really want to keep attempting to talk about things you clearly have no understanding of at all?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#107615 Dec 13, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
I see no reason that U can't believe the dUde is a sockpUppet devised to pick on U... I've seen Ur other posts, so I don't find paranoia and thoUghts of persecUtion to be weird at all..
i think the dude might be U Thant!
woodtick57

San Jose, CA

#107616 Dec 13, 2013
And in another evolutionary process, I have to come out that I am gay. I am proud, I will not hide any longer.

Level 1

Since: Jan 12

Memphis, TN

#107617 Dec 13, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
What happened to your "Were you there?" argument?
I'd appreciate some references for all the corroborating documents you mentioned. Especially the Moses/Egypt stuff.
I'm gonna tell U like this...U have OBVIOUSLY stopped searching for the truth and I'm sure U have it already so there is no need for U to research and I'm not gonna even point U in the direction because it's up to U to wanna keep learning for YOURSELF instead of waiting on the next train of collective thought that your higher authority (man) tells U to adopt!! That being spilled...we do know that the OT is compiled from ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Babylonian texts which if U were to just Utube it or something one of the credible scholars would concur exist, duh!!!

Level 1

Since: Jan 12

Memphis, TN

#107618 Dec 13, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Out of sheer curiousity. cite this extrabiblical evidence for Moses and the enslavement.(I'll give you Pharaohs - there were a bunch of those.)
The Holy Roman Empire "took care" of a lot of THAT evidence, couldn't U agree?! U don't remember how Israel has been at the whim of damn near every empire that has arose in that area?!...even before it was called Israel?! They haven't always been powerless but these last 1200-1500 years has really so-called "tested the faith" of the Hebrews!

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#107619 Dec 13, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text>I'm gonna tell U like this...U have OBVIOUSLY stopped searching for the truth and I'm sure U have it already so there is no need for U to research and I'm not gonna even point U in the direction because it's up to U to wanna keep learning for YOURSELF instead of waiting on the next train of collective thought that your higher authority (man) tells U to adopt!! That being spilled...we do know that the OT is compiled from ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Babylonian texts which if U were to just Utube it or something one of the credible scholars would concur exist, duh!!!
OK then. U're full of crap and can't back up anything U say. Imagine my shock.

Fundies are SO predictable.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#107620 Dec 13, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text>The Holy Roman Empire "took care" of a lot of THAT evidence, couldn't U agree?! U don't remember how Israel has been at the whim of damn near every empire that has arose in that area?!...even before it was called Israel?! They haven't always been powerless but these last 1200-1500 years has really so-called "tested the faith" of the Hebrews!
Because it was a backwater, minor little nowhere.

when Pompey finally strode through the gates of jerusalem had long since passed its economic and cultural zenith. Cicero even called it the "hole in the corner" of the Roman empire. the only reason they were even allowed to keep their temple was it was a good way to rule the jews via the high priests they picked.

even when the babylonians conquered the area, Cyrus let the jews return to jerusalem because he considered them an irrelevant backwater of little interest or concern to an empire that stretched across Asia... the jews felt so grateful for this, the prophet Isaiah anointed Cyrus as messiah.

history is fun!

Level 1

Since: Jan 12

Memphis, TN

#107621 Dec 13, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you construe that a historical record is the same thing as talking serpents, global floods and rising from the dead? You're going to be hard pressed to find Kokopelli in a geological survey of the southwest or the Norwegian sagas being used as "definitive proof" against the ToE.
I argue creation to a point and the same, for me, goes for ToE! Some things about evolution I can agree with as I love science and follow the new discoveries and breakthroughs that it offers. And I also could agree with creation TO A POINT!! Now, the global flood may not have actually been "global" but there are other records outside of the Bible that speaks about a flood. It just as well may have felt like it was the entire world to the people who probably wasn't really aware of how big Earth really is. Ok, rising from the dead...hmmm!...um, I don't really know about that unless we could rationalize by saying maybe a person might have just been unconscious or in a coma and so happen to come "to" in front of witnesses that thought he/she was dead and proclaimed it as a miracle or something!!! Maybe!! Now, talking serpents...I don't want really wanna deal with what that could've been about for it will take us to another realm of thought which U are closed off to!! I can tell ya this...the Sumerians also recorded something similar!!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#107622 Dec 13, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
my point is that we have all of these records of the different peoples and cultures from around the world and we take these records as proof of the history of mankind throughout the time on Earth and and hold them as facts...
No we don't.

In fact I would think it would be very hard for you to find someone today who claimed Anubis the jackal-headed God was real.

Level 1

Since: Jan 12

Memphis, TN

#107623 Dec 13, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Nah. The Dude's been around here for a very long time.
Ok...fair enough...my mistake...I was just saying because people do that on here just to antagonize...I just try not to respond to unregistered users!!!

Level 1

Since: Jan 12

Memphis, TN

#107624 Dec 13, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it would only take a seventh grade level understanding of syntax, writing styles, and posting habits to notice that The Dude is not another commenter here.
And it would only take a 3 year old to master the understanding of illusion, figuring out how to deceive an opponent by more than one tactic!!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#107625 Dec 13, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text>I stated that there are megatons of ice on the TOPS of mountains...and I stated that there are water CRYSTALS in the atmosphere that travel freely as high as the ozone layer...U twisted what I stated to fit your rebuttal...
My bad. I missed the bit where you mentioned mountains and from there I just assumed you were talking about the silly creationist "ice canopy theory".

This can sometimes be a problem when you have a limited amount of time for lunchbreak and your computers slow as shit pieces of crap, sometimes you find yourself skimming things quickly.
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
and to tell U the truth, I believe that U're someone's SOCKPUPPET because I noticed that as soon as a certain couple of people talked about leaving the forum because of some bickering, U just so happen to POP-UP!!
Dunno who's leaving, but feel free to check the history of the evolution forum. I've been posting for years.
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
Maybe just coincidence...but likely not!! U need to register to TOPIX
I am registered. Have been for quite a while. But I don't bother using it because there's no need to sign in to post. This is especially useful in preventing from crappy pc's from crashing.
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
because if U're not registered, that lets us know that U are nothing more than one of these registered folks in disguise!!
Nah, I'm just the Dude.

Just to let you know though I have had the occasional impersonator over the years. Yet it takes me but mere seconds to show how foolish they are for trying, for there is one very important distinction between me and the socks:

The Dude abides. They do not.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#107626 Dec 13, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text>Ok...fair enough...my mistake...
No problem.
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
I was just saying because people do that on here just to antagonize...I just try not to respond to unregistered users!!!
The fake woodtick57 comes to mind.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#107627 Dec 13, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text>And it would only take a 3 year old to master the understanding of illusion, figuring out how to deceive an opponent by more than one tactic!!
and that has what to do with you proving you do not even have enough sense to notice the dude is not one of many sock puppets?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#107628 Dec 13, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text>I argue creation to a point and the same, for me, goes for ToE! Some things about evolution I can agree with as I love science and follow the new discoveries and breakthroughs that it offers. And I also could agree with creation TO A POINT!! Now, the global flood may not have actually been "global" but there are other records outside of the Bible that speaks about a flood. It just as well may have felt like it was the entire world to the people who probably wasn't really aware of how big Earth really is.
Bingo. See, you CAN think.

In fact it's well known at the end of the last ice age there were LOTS of floods. BIG floods. MASSIVE floods. And that's why there's lots of flood stories.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#107629 Dec 13, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text>Ok...fair enough...my mistake...I was just saying because people do that on here just to antagonize...I just try not to respond to unregistered users!!!
I *am* a registered qualified hammock tester if that counts.

Don't knock it. Can be pretty dangerous if you ain't got the swing of things. Just ask Donald Duck.

Level 1

Since: Jan 12

Memphis, TN

#107630 Dec 13, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Because it was a backwater, minor little nowhere.
when Pompey finally strode through the gates of jerusalem had long since passed its economic and cultural zenith. Cicero even called it the "hole in the corner" of the Roman empire. the only reason they were even allowed to keep their temple was it was a good way to rule the jews via the high priests they picked.
even when the babylonians conquered the area, Cyrus let the jews return to jerusalem because he considered them an irrelevant backwater of little interest or concern to an empire that stretched across Asia... the jews felt so grateful for this, the prophet Isaiah anointed Cyrus as messiah.
history is fun!
Maybe they were just humble enough to not wanna go a conquer everything that they laid their eyes on like we see in the Caucasians and the Mongolians...tearing the land as they thirsted only for MORE power and MORE territory. Yea, maybe they weren't that much of a threat because they were humble enough to appreciate what they had, which the "big guys" to for weakness!

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