Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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There is no need for a car/ Ford analogy on this one.
Q: "How did the universe come to be?"
A: "There was a god who created it."
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That really, really does sound like an answer to the question.
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Now, is the answer correct? I cannot say.
Does it give more information than was asked (like WHICH god, or what is God, etc.) No.
But it is an answer.
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My first post was merely asking about the point of this forum (which you answered very nicely for me in the second half of your response, thank you).
I didn't see an necessary conflict between creation and evolution because the two answered very different questions in my mind.
is there any credible evidence for this god?

there are good answers and extremely silly ones...

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We won.
Unless you can prove we're not here. Been waiting for you to do that for years now.
No! you homicidally stupid moron, that we're here is proof of creation!

Unless of course you have proof of inanimate matter self organizing into life!

The only proof you provide is of your own religious stupidity

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Sure, bub. You know for once you could try posting something without lying or repeating a stupid argument we've already debunked a thousand times.(shrug)
I mean come on, you're the one who's supposed to have GOD on your side. And here we are, and we don't even need iron chariots.
Your mother is the only thing that has been debunked, crawling out of an army barracks.

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No! you homicidally stupid moron, that we're here is proof of creation!
Unless of course you have proof of inanimate matter self organizing into life!
The only proof you provide is of your own religious stupidity
the puddle people
in fact, that we are here would really be evidence of abiogenesis. there is at least some evidence supporting that theory.

there isn't one teensy weensy shred of evidence for any creator. not one. not even enough to make a hypothesis of that silly idea.

so sad for you cult freaks...

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No! you homicidally stupid moron, that we're here is proof of creation!
Unless of course you have proof of inanimate matter self organizing into life!
The only proof you provide is of your own religious stupidity
the puddle people
Poor bohart, he still does not know that the word is "evidence", not proof.

Now we do have evidence for our claims. What evidence do you have for yours?

And the fact that we are here is not proof, or even evidence, for creation. You are making a false assumption there. That topic after all is what is being debated.
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Poor bohart, he still does not know that the word is "evidence", not proof.
Now we do have evidence for our claims. What evidence do you have for yours?
And the fact that we are here is not proof, or even evidence, for creation. You are making a false assumption there. That topic after all is what is being debated.
I see you are still a lying rooster lollypop

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I see you are still a lying rooster lollypop
I see you still have not one teensy weensy shred of evidence for this creator you invented...not a single shred. in all the span of recorded history...what a failure your hunch is!

“I have upset the hand of god”

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I see you are still a lying rooster lollypop
What are you, seven?

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<quoted text>is there any credible evidence for this god?
there are good answers and extremely silly ones...
No particular god was specified.
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What kind of evidence does a god leave anyhow?

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<quoted text>I see you still have not one teensy weensy shred of evidence for this creator you invented...not a single shred. in all the span of recorded history...what a failure your hunch is!
Hey woodtick. I was wondering where you had gone off too.

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so creationism gives a who but not a how
the abiogenesis hypothesis gives nothing, who or how, because it has no evidence whatsoever.
so here you are, left with faith.
Nope. Because abiogenesis is not a doctrine to believe in. Pity you cannot get your head around this. Its a hypothesis, or really a series of hypotheses, to test. Can you see the difference?

No faith, no belief. Just science and hard work.

Noted - Creationists just think scientists believe something different than they do. What they don't get is that we don't believe in "believing in", the way they do. About anything.

Skepticism - the refusal to accept any claim not backed by evidence.

Skepticism - the ability to live with doubt where there is no defining evidence for or against a claim. That's it.

Wakey wakey bohart. We are not even working from the same playbook as you.

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Nope. Because abiogenesis is not a doctrine to believe in. Pity you cannot get your head around this. Its a hypothesis, or really a series of hypotheses, to test. Can you see the difference?
No faith, no belief. Just science and hard work.
Noted - Creationists just think scientists believe something different than they do. What they don't get is that we don't believe in "believing in", the way they do. About anything.
Skepticism - the refusal to accept any claim not backed by evidence.
Skepticism - the ability to live with doubt where there is no defining evidence for or against a claim. That's it.
Wakey wakey bohart. We are not even working from the same playbook as you.
Your statement about creationist's understanding of how scientist approach science is a core issue. The basis of their attacks are predicated on the idea that scientific theories are just another story in a book. It is a weakness, but a very difficult one to get around.

I like your avatar. Interesting choice.

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No! you homicidally stupid moron, that we're here is proof of creation!
Unless of course you have proof of inanimate matter self organizing into life!
The only proof you provide is of your own religious stupidity
the puddle people
So this your idea of "scientific thinking", that lack of proof for one hypothesis is proof of another? Not even a D minus for that feeble attempt.
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Six_Of_One wrote:
There is no need for a car/ Ford analogy on this one.
It appeared to be quite appropriate, as the 'answer' was just as good.
Six_Of_One wrote:
Q: "How did the universe come to be?"
A: "There was a god who created it."
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That really, really does sound like an answer to the question.
Now, is the answer correct? I cannot say.
Does it give more information than was asked (like WHICH god, or what is God, etc.) No.
But it is an answer.
If one is satisfied that someone did something, somehow, somewhere at sometime then I suppose so.
Six_Of_One wrote:
My first post was merely asking about the point of this forum (which you answered very nicely for me in the second half of your response, thank you).
I didn't see an necessary conflict between creation and evolution because the two answered very different questions in my mind.
There doesn't have to be a conflict, as with religious beliefs you are free to believe in whatever you wish. There are even some scientists who accept evolution, and their religious beliefs are that God was resonsible for life and the universe. Science can't validate the religious side of things of course but if that's not a worry for you then that's okay.

On the other hand there are those whose religious beliefs are more important than reality itself. Science shows us one thing but they say it's like another because their god did it differently. Bohart for example rejects both evolution and abiogenesis because he places limits on an entity which creates universes as a hobby for fun. If such a being exists there is no reason it could not have used both chemical abiogenesis and evolution to get us where we are today.

But nay he say, life MUST have come about via magical poofing out of pile of dirt, spare rib and a talking snake - I mean, lizard. All because nothing must contradict his old religious book written by ancient goat-herders who thought the Earth was flat. If he wants to believe The Flinstones is a science documentary, that's fine. But as long as he doesn't teach it in public schools, as not only is it stupid, but also illegal. Whereas at least with evolution, contrary to his anti-reality claims, it can be scientifically demonstrated.

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<quoted text>Your statement about creationist's understanding of how scientist approach science is a core issue. The basis of their attacks are predicated on the idea that scientific theories are just another story in a book. It is a weakness, but a very difficult one to get around.
I like your avatar. Interesting choice.
Yes, few of them seem to realise that we not only accept different things as true, but we have a different process for accepting that anything is true. The funniest example is when someone trots out here and confidently proclaims that Darwin recanted on evolution on his deathbed. As if it would matter! They think it should matter to evolutionists, and we know why it does not matter one iota. The truth or falseness of the death bed story is not even relevant.

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I like your avatar. Interesting choice.
That fellow and his buddies live at the Al Ain Zoo, a small city about 120km from Dubai.

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