Evolution vs. Creation

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#106975 Nov 26, 2013
bohart wrote:
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so creationism gives a who but not a how
the abiogenesis hypothesis gives nothing, who or how, because it has no evidence whatsoever.
so here you are, left with faith.
Sure, bub. You know for once you could try posting something without lying or repeating a stupid argument we've already debunked a thousand times.(shrug)

I mean come on, you're the one who's supposed to have GOD on your side. And here we are, and we don't even need iron chariots.

Since: Nov 13

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#106976 Nov 26, 2013
swampmudd wrote:
<quoted text>I'm am glad we agree on that. Would you like to explain to Maz that she is not the only one at the center of the universe.
If I could convence people they're not the center of the universe I wouldn't be single right now! Can't help with that one :-)
Dr Kerrie

Hanoi, Vietnam

#106977 Nov 26, 2013
Six_Of_One wrote:
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If I could convence people they're not the center of the universe I wouldn't be single right now! Can't help with that one :-)
Six Of One! 6 = First or 6th = 1?!!;)

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#106978 Nov 26, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Not really, since it is only a claim with no elaboration. It posits a "someone" as being responsible, but not how or why they did it.
"Look, a car! How did that car come to be?"
"Henry Ford."
"That's not an answer."
Yes it is. You wanna know how the car came to be? Henry Ford."
"That doesn't tell me how the car came to be."
"Yes it does."
"No it doesn't."
"Yes it does. Henry Ford is the answer."
"No, Henry Ford might HAVE the answer, but telling me he's responsible is NOT an answer."
.
There is no need for a car/ Ford analogy on this one.
Q: "How did the universe come to be?"
A: "There was a god who created it."
.
That really, really does sound like an answer to the question.
.
Now, is the answer correct? I cannot say.
Does it give more information than was asked (like WHICH god, or what is God, etc.) No.
But it is an answer.
.
My first post was merely asking about the point of this forum (which you answered very nicely for me in the second half of your response, thank you).
I didn't see an necessary conflict between creation and evolution because the two answered very different questions in my mind.
buckwheat

Tulsa, OK

#106979 Nov 26, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Its just a bit confusing. Did he tell me through the Talmud, the Bible, the Quran, the book of Morman, or some other text like the Baghavad Gita? SHIIIIIT!
Take your pick. They're all crap, anyway.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

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#106980 Nov 26, 2013
Six_Of_One wrote:
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.
There is no need for a car/ Ford analogy on this one.
Q: "How did the universe come to be?"
A: "There was a god who created it."
.
That really, really does sound like an answer to the question.
.
Now, is the answer correct? I cannot say.
Does it give more information than was asked (like WHICH god, or what is God, etc.) No.
But it is an answer.
.
My first post was merely asking about the point of this forum (which you answered very nicely for me in the second half of your response, thank you).
I didn't see an necessary conflict between creation and evolution because the two answered very different questions in my mind.
Fundie logic 101.... all answers are "god did it".
We are failed to be impressed "yawn".

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#106981 Nov 26, 2013
Dr Kerrie wrote:
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Six Of One! 6 = First or 6th = 1?!!;)
It reflects a nuetral state of mind (I hope).
You know, as in "6 of one, half dozen of the other".
That may an American saying... it means there is always two ways of looking at something.
:-)

“I have upset the hand of god”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

Threats pending

#106983 Nov 26, 2013
MazHere wrote:
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Then you may like to rest assured nor is your KFC a theropod.
"The team discovered dozens of three-toed footprints in rocks older than 212 million years in northwest Argentina. Averaging about 3.5 centimeters wide and similar in length, they look very much like bird footprints made in small shallow ponds along a river. However, the rocks are some 55 million years older than the most ancient known bird skeleton, Archaeopteryx. The big question is what made them."
"Nonetheless, Melchor cautiously avoids saying birds made the prints. "These bird-like footprints can only be attributed to an unknown group of theropods showing some avian characteristics," he writes in the journal Nature."
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2466-an...
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v417/n68...
Hey? How about that for handwaving? Despite not one single theropod fossil ever being found with a reversed hallux some unknow group of theropods has been invented to support the myth.
Great science, you have faith in there!
Science doesn't make claims without the supporting data. We leave that to hair pullers like you.

Hey I found some new research to confound your whales are sharks conjecture as if more information is really needed. But I thought I would post the links and give you the opportunity to make something up in response.

https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/science-tick...

And this link takes you to the paper in Nature Genetics.

http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/vaop/ncurren...

Maz, I draw your attention to this quote from the article. "The cetacean genomes support hypotheses regarding adaptation to
hypoxic resistance, metabolism under limited oxygen and high-salt
conditions and the development of unique morphological traits." Whales evolved dear.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#106984 Nov 26, 2013
Six_Of_One wrote:
<quoted text>
.
There is no need for a car/ Ford analogy on this one.
Q: "How did the universe come to be?"
A: "There was a god who created it."
.
That really, really does sound like an answer to the question.
.
Now, is the answer correct? I cannot say.
Does it give more information than was asked (like WHICH god, or what is God, etc.) No.
But it is an answer.
.
My first post was merely asking about the point of this forum (which you answered very nicely for me in the second half of your response, thank you).
I didn't see an necessary conflict between creation and evolution because the two answered very different questions in my mind.
is there any credible evidence for this god?

there are good answers and extremely silly ones...

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Since: Dec 08

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#106985 Nov 26, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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We won.
Unless you can prove we're not here. Been waiting for you to do that for years now.
No! you homicidally stupid moron, that we're here is proof of creation!

Unless of course you have proof of inanimate matter self organizing into life!

The only proof you provide is of your own religious stupidity

the puddle people

Level 2

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#106986 Nov 26, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Sure, bub. You know for once you could try posting something without lying or repeating a stupid argument we've already debunked a thousand times.(shrug)
I mean come on, you're the one who's supposed to have GOD on your side. And here we are, and we don't even need iron chariots.
Your mother is the only thing that has been debunked, crawling out of an army barracks.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#106987 Nov 26, 2013
bohart wrote:
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No! you homicidally stupid moron, that we're here is proof of creation!
Unless of course you have proof of inanimate matter self organizing into life!
The only proof you provide is of your own religious stupidity
the puddle people
in fact, that we are here would really be evidence of abiogenesis. there is at least some evidence supporting that theory.

there isn't one teensy weensy shred of evidence for any creator. not one. not even enough to make a hypothesis of that silly idea.

so sad for you cult freaks...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#106988 Nov 26, 2013
bohart wrote:
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No! you homicidally stupid moron, that we're here is proof of creation!
Unless of course you have proof of inanimate matter self organizing into life!
The only proof you provide is of your own religious stupidity
the puddle people
Poor bohart, he still does not know that the word is "evidence", not proof.

Now we do have evidence for our claims. What evidence do you have for yours?

And the fact that we are here is not proof, or even evidence, for creation. You are making a false assumption there. That topic after all is what is being debated.
gene

UK

#106989 Nov 26, 2013
whacky

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#106990 Nov 26, 2013
tacky

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#106991 Nov 26, 2013
cracker-jacky

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#106992 Nov 26, 2013
Burma Shave!

Level 2

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#106993 Nov 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Poor bohart, he still does not know that the word is "evidence", not proof.
Now we do have evidence for our claims. What evidence do you have for yours?
And the fact that we are here is not proof, or even evidence, for creation. You are making a false assumption there. That topic after all is what is being debated.
I see you are still a lying rooster lollypop

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#106994 Nov 26, 2013
bohart wrote:
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I see you are still a lying rooster lollypop
I see you still have not one teensy weensy shred of evidence for this creator you invented...not a single shred. in all the span of recorded history...what a failure your hunch is!

“I have upset the hand of god”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

Threats pending

#106995 Nov 26, 2013
bohart wrote:
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I see you are still a lying rooster lollypop
What are you, seven?

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