Evolution vs. Creation

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whacky

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tacky

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cracker-jacky

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#106993 Nov 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Poor bohart, he still does not know that the word is "evidence", not proof.
Now we do have evidence for our claims. What evidence do you have for yours?
And the fact that we are here is not proof, or even evidence, for creation. You are making a false assumption there. That topic after all is what is being debated.
I see you are still a lying rooster lollypop

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#106994 Nov 26, 2013
bohart wrote:
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I see you are still a lying rooster lollypop
I see you still have not one teensy weensy shred of evidence for this creator you invented...not a single shred. in all the span of recorded history...what a failure your hunch is!

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#106995 Nov 26, 2013
bohart wrote:
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I see you are still a lying rooster lollypop
What are you, seven?

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#106996 Nov 26, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>is there any credible evidence for this god?
there are good answers and extremely silly ones...
No particular god was specified.
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What kind of evidence does a god leave anyhow?

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#106997 Nov 26, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>I see you still have not one teensy weensy shred of evidence for this creator you invented...not a single shred. in all the span of recorded history...what a failure your hunch is!
Hey woodtick. I was wondering where you had gone off too.

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#106998 Nov 26, 2013
bohart wrote:
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so creationism gives a who but not a how
the abiogenesis hypothesis gives nothing, who or how, because it has no evidence whatsoever.
so here you are, left with faith.
Nope. Because abiogenesis is not a doctrine to believe in. Pity you cannot get your head around this. Its a hypothesis, or really a series of hypotheses, to test. Can you see the difference?

No faith, no belief. Just science and hard work.

Noted - Creationists just think scientists believe something different than they do. What they don't get is that we don't believe in "believing in", the way they do. About anything.

Skepticism - the refusal to accept any claim not backed by evidence.

Skepticism - the ability to live with doubt where there is no defining evidence for or against a claim. That's it.

Wakey wakey bohart. We are not even working from the same playbook as you.

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#106999 Nov 26, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Nope. Because abiogenesis is not a doctrine to believe in. Pity you cannot get your head around this. Its a hypothesis, or really a series of hypotheses, to test. Can you see the difference?
No faith, no belief. Just science and hard work.
Noted - Creationists just think scientists believe something different than they do. What they don't get is that we don't believe in "believing in", the way they do. About anything.
Skepticism - the refusal to accept any claim not backed by evidence.
Skepticism - the ability to live with doubt where there is no defining evidence for or against a claim. That's it.
Wakey wakey bohart. We are not even working from the same playbook as you.
Your statement about creationist's understanding of how scientist approach science is a core issue. The basis of their attacks are predicated on the idea that scientific theories are just another story in a book. It is a weakness, but a very difficult one to get around.

I like your avatar. Interesting choice.

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#107000 Nov 26, 2013
bohart wrote:
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No! you homicidally stupid moron, that we're here is proof of creation!
Unless of course you have proof of inanimate matter self organizing into life!
The only proof you provide is of your own religious stupidity
the puddle people
So this your idea of "scientific thinking", that lack of proof for one hypothesis is proof of another? Not even a D minus for that feeble attempt.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#107001 Nov 27, 2013
Six_Of_One wrote:
There is no need for a car/ Ford analogy on this one.
It appeared to be quite appropriate, as the 'answer' was just as good.
Six_Of_One wrote:
Q: "How did the universe come to be?"
A: "There was a god who created it."
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That really, really does sound like an answer to the question.
Now, is the answer correct? I cannot say.
Does it give more information than was asked (like WHICH god, or what is God, etc.) No.
But it is an answer.
If one is satisfied that someone did something, somehow, somewhere at sometime then I suppose so.
Six_Of_One wrote:
My first post was merely asking about the point of this forum (which you answered very nicely for me in the second half of your response, thank you).
I didn't see an necessary conflict between creation and evolution because the two answered very different questions in my mind.
There doesn't have to be a conflict, as with religious beliefs you are free to believe in whatever you wish. There are even some scientists who accept evolution, and their religious beliefs are that God was resonsible for life and the universe. Science can't validate the religious side of things of course but if that's not a worry for you then that's okay.

On the other hand there are those whose religious beliefs are more important than reality itself. Science shows us one thing but they say it's like another because their god did it differently. Bohart for example rejects both evolution and abiogenesis because he places limits on an entity which creates universes as a hobby for fun. If such a being exists there is no reason it could not have used both chemical abiogenesis and evolution to get us where we are today.

But nay he say, life MUST have come about via magical poofing out of pile of dirt, spare rib and a talking snake - I mean, lizard. All because nothing must contradict his old religious book written by ancient goat-herders who thought the Earth was flat. If he wants to believe The Flinstones is a science documentary, that's fine. But as long as he doesn't teach it in public schools, as not only is it stupid, but also illegal. Whereas at least with evolution, contrary to his anti-reality claims, it can be scientifically demonstrated.

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#107002 Nov 27, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Your statement about creationist's understanding of how scientist approach science is a core issue. The basis of their attacks are predicated on the idea that scientific theories are just another story in a book. It is a weakness, but a very difficult one to get around.
I like your avatar. Interesting choice.
Yes, few of them seem to realise that we not only accept different things as true, but we have a different process for accepting that anything is true. The funniest example is when someone trots out here and confidently proclaims that Darwin recanted on evolution on his deathbed. As if it would matter! They think it should matter to evolutionists, and we know why it does not matter one iota. The truth or falseness of the death bed story is not even relevant.

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#107003 Nov 27, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
I like your avatar. Interesting choice.
That fellow and his buddies live at the Al Ain Zoo, a small city about 120km from Dubai.

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#107004 Nov 27, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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That fellow and his buddies live at the Al Ain Zoo, a small city about 120km from Dubai.
Interestin'. I'd not known of that one. I just looked it up.

Thanks.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#107005 Nov 27, 2013
bohart wrote:
No! you homicidally stupid moron, that we're here is proof of creation!
No, that we are here is proof that life began, period. That's when you examine the term abiogenesis at its basest level, it MEANS life began.

So far the only scientific hypothesis that has been postulated for HOW that occurred is the gradual development of life through chemical processes. Another alternative has never been proposed.
bohart wrote:
Unless of course you have proof of inanimate matter self organizing into life!
Bo, bo bo bo bo....(sigh)

You claim I am homocidally stupid, but HOW many times have I PERSONALLY informed you that chemistry is NOT inanimate? In fact it is COMPLETELY the opposite. Therefore since you can't HELP but repeatedly make this same mistake over and over again over YEARS of posting, there are only two possibilities:

1 - You are deliberately misrepresenting our position due to your inability to counter it rationally.

2 - You are MONUMENTALLY thick.
bohart wrote:
The only proof you provide is of your own religious stupidity
the puddle people
Projection.

Try again Bo.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#107006 Nov 27, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Fundie logic 101.... all answers are "god did it".
We are failed to be impressed "yawn".
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Six Of One is showing significantly higher cognitive function than any fundie.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#107007 Nov 27, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Your mother is the only thing that has been debunked, crawling out of an army barracks.
Charming. And fundies say that WE'RE the big old meanies.

Seriously though, do you plan on doing anything here other than making lame jokes and insults as well as betraying your complete and total utter lack of science education?

Even a lack of science education wouldn't be so bad, except that you come along and make profoundingly stupid statements while pretending science should give a sh t.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#107008 Nov 27, 2013
bohart wrote:
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I see you are still a lying rooster lollypop
Leave the irony meters alone Bo. Remember, God is watching you...

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