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# Evolution vs. Creation

There are 213115 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#106658 Nov 23, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not interested in furthering your obsession when the question has been answered. If you want to play, play with yourself.
It is not shame because you can't answer. It is shame to be stupid and act like you already know.

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#106659 Nov 23, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not interested in furthering your obsession when the question has been answered. If you want to play, play with yourself.
You are saying Java man is a transitional so you should be able to give a scientific classification of Java man so we can see where he fits in.

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#106660 Nov 23, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Guess not. Too bad for me isn't it.
I cannot answer it because Java man has no scientific classification. With no scientific classification science is not sure where he fits in. And if science does not know where he fits in then he cannot be considered a transitional because science has no ideal of what he is a transitional between. That is 8th grade logic.

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#106661 Nov 23, 2013
Extreme Ways wrote:
<quoted text>
You are saying Java man is a transitional so you should be able to give a scientific classification of Java man so we can see where he fits in.
You are the one saying he isn't transitional, so you should be able to provide some reason why Java man isn't. You can use classification if you like. That is up to you. However, a classification is like a chemical formula. It can tell you some things, but not everything about a molecule. Position of the atoms for instance. But don't let me stop you. You seem to think a classification scheme is the end all and be all of answers.

Give it a whirl. I know you will since you throw out this rule stuff and it is your claim after all. I am interested in seeing the details.

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#106662 Nov 23, 2013
Extreme Ways wrote:
<quoted text>
I cannot answer it because Java man has no scientific classification. With no scientific classification science is not sure where he fits in. And if science does not know where he fits in then he cannot be considered a transitional because science has no ideal of what he is a transitional between. That is 8th grade logic.
If Java man shows characters ancestral to modern humans and derived characters found in modern humans, then why can't you consider it a transitional form? Java man would be transitional between modern man and some ancestor. That relationship is expressed by the possess characters and not from a taxonomic scheme.

Oh, I didn't realize you were a kid. Sorry.

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#106663 Nov 23, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>You are the one saying he isn't transitional, so you should be able to provide some reason why Java man isn't. You can use classification if you like. That is up to you. However, a classification is like a chemical formula. It can tell you some things, but not everything about a molecule. Position of the atoms for instance. But don't let me stop you. You seem to think a classification scheme is the end all and be all of answers.
Give it a whirl. I know you will since you throw out this rule stuff and it is your claim after all. I am interested in seeing the details.
Java man has no scientific classification. With no scientific classification science is not sure where he fits in. And if science does not know where he fits in then he cannot be considered a transitional because science has no ideal of what he is a transitional between.

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#106664 Nov 23, 2013
Extreme Ways wrote:
<quoted text>
Homo erectus is the name of the European and African version but has these variants or subspecies
Pithecanthropus erectus = first Java man
Sinanthropus pekinensis = Peking man
Javanthropus soloensis = true java man

Homo erectus georgicus= Russian

Though precise placement of all species is very hard to determine, these are considered to be all subspecies of the same Hominid.
Do you really need a link to look up Homo Erectus?

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#106665 Nov 23, 2013
Extreme Ways wrote:
<quoted text>
You are saying Java man is a transitional so you should be able to give a scientific classification of Java man so we can see where he fits in.
How many times do you have to be told that Java Man is Homo erectus.

Is the Smithsonian a good enough source for you?

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fos...

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#106666 Nov 23, 2013
Extreme Ways wrote:
<quoted text>
I cannot answer it because Java man has no scientific classification. With no scientific classification science is not sure where he fits in. And if science does not know where he fits in then he cannot be considered a transitional because science has no ideal of what he is a transitional between. That is 8th grade logic.

'Java Man (Homo erectus erectus) is the name given to fossils discovered in 1891 at Trinil - Ngawi Regency on the banks of the Solo River in East Java, Indonesia, one of the first known specimens of Homo erectus. Its discoverer, EugĂ¨ne Dubois, gave it the scientific name Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Man

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#106667 Nov 23, 2013
Extreme Ways wrote:
<quoted text>
So basically you do not know what it is. And my definition is on cue and goes with what I say about the article.
No, I am not saying I don't know what it is. You need to read more closely, as I stated, I had given a definition.

What you appear to be stating by referencing that article is that anthropologist agree by consensus that modern man evolved from the African population of H. erectus. No one is disputing that. You really have come out and said how this makes this prevents Java man from being considered as a transitional form. You do seem to imply that a transitional form has to be a direct ancestor to the present species. You have been told this isn't correct. Instead of learning you seem to be obsessing on showing your version is true when even your own references don't say that.

You are young, so you have a lot to learn yet. I would recommend you read up on this and study hard in school.

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#106668 Nov 23, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>If Java man shows characters ancestral to modern humans and derived characters found in modern humans, then why can't you consider it a transitional form? Java man would be transitional between modern man and some ancestor. That relationship is expressed by the possess characters and not from a taxonomic scheme.
Oh, I didn't realize you were a kid. Sorry.
Show a link or evidence to support your claim. We both know there is no scientific classification for Java man so he cannot be considered a transitional species because they have no clue where he fits in at. Until the java man is just a fossil!

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#106669 Nov 23, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Homo erectus is the name of the European and African version but has these variants or subspecies
Pithecanthropus erectus = first Java man
Sinanthropus pekinensis = Peking man
Javanthropus soloensis = true java man
Homo erectus georgicus= Russian
Though precise placement of all species is very hard to determine, these are considered to be all subspecies of the same Hominid.
Do you really need a link to look up Homo Erectus?
I know what other species are classified as. I want a link showing a scientific classification for Java man or even one that shows science has even classified him.

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#106670 Nov 23, 2013
Extreme Ways wrote:
<quoted text>
You are saying Java man is a transitional so you should be able to give a scientific classification of Java man so we can see where he fits in.
It doesn't matter since he is a Homo, that means either he is a direct ancestor, or a cousin of an ancestral line that died out.
Either way he was a transitional or intermediate species.
The fact we can't place him exactly where he belongs on the tree is irrelevant , we sill know the branch, whether he is own his own sub branch or on an existing branch is what hasn't been decided.

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#106671 Nov 23, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
How many times do you have to be told that Java Man is Homo erectus.
Is the Smithsonian a good enough source for you?
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fos...
Homo erectus is a species.

I want a complete scientific classification of java man with links to support it.

Kingdom:
Phylum:
Class:
Order:
Family:
Tribe:
Genus:
Species

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#106672 Nov 23, 2013
Extreme Ways wrote:
<quoted text>
Show a link or evidence to support your claim. We both know there is no scientific classification for Java man so he cannot be considered a transitional species because they have no clue where he fits in at. Until the java man is just a fossil!
I know that this site takes a few minutes to update, so this post of your isn't quite as pathetically wrong as it seems. It is still wrong.

The Smithsonian Institute is the premier museum in the U.S.. If they say Java Man is Homo erectus, it is Homo erectus.

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#106673 Nov 23, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
How many times do you have to be told that Java Man is Homo erectus.
Is the Smithsonian a good enough source for you?
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fos...
And actually he is said to be the species homo erectus erectus.

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#106674 Nov 23, 2013
Extreme Ways wrote:
<quoted text>
Java man has no scientific classification. With no scientific classification science is not sure where he fits in. And if science does not know where he fits in then he cannot be considered a transitional because science has no ideal of what he is a transitional between.
I am not the expert on human evolution that you pretend to be, but aren't Java man and Peking man, just H. erectus? Did you think they were of a different species?

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#106675 Nov 23, 2013
Waiting.....

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#106676 Nov 23, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
'Java Man (Homo erectus erectus) is the name given to fossils discovered in 1891 at Trinil - Ngawi Regency on the banks of the Solo River in East Java, Indonesia, one of the first known specimens of Homo erectus. Its discoverer, EugĂ¨ne Dubois, gave it the scientific name Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Man
This we already know. They say Java man is a transitional so I want the scientific classification of Java man to see where Java man fits in as a transitional. Fill in the blanks supported by links.

Kingdom:
Phylum:
Class:
Order:
Family:
Tribe:
Genus:
Species

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#106677 Nov 23, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
How many times do you have to be told that Java Man is Homo erectus.
Is the Smithsonian a good enough source for you?
http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fos...
Sure that is a great link. It assigns no scientific classification and does not say it is a transitional fossil. Which both are what I have said all along. Thanks for the support.

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