Evolution vs. Creation

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How about eminent Medical Doctors and the Purveyors of Medical Science probing Abraham Lincoln's brain with their dirty unwashed fingers????
Gee whizz and this happened in the time of Darwin.... LOL

Murder of President Lincoln - History
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The medical practices of the 1800's are generally thought of as both barbaric and ... night of April 14th, 1865, the Doctors treating Abraham Lincoln made critical errors ... Dr. Leale, even went so far as to stick his finger into the wound, to probe for the ... Each of the doctors caring for Lincoln was said to have stuck their finger ...

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You are talking about the Many FAILED attempts to construct pyramids, that were little more than piles of rocks, that more than once simply collapsed.
OVERNIGHT they built near perfect pyramids with highly complex interiors.
NONE of this happened overnight. And they were building mastabas long before they advanced to pyramids.
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Modern stone carvers say that even with all their modern equipment, they would not even attempt to duplicate what the Ancient Egyptians did.
Pure bullshit. Have you been there? Do you know what your talking about or just parroting something you saw on some dubious TV show?
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Some of the vaults are carved into square boxes, and they are made of some of the Hardest Stone known to man.
I have seen several modern stone contractors say those near perfect stone boxes can NOT be duplicated with today's technology.
They probably took you for a nutcase and they lied to you as a method of self-preservation.

There is NO doubt whatsoever that we have the technical abilities to build pyramids at least as well constructed as the ones in Egypt. It's just that none seem to be interested in pissing away that much money.

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Thousands of years of failing to get God to pass the scientific method and your sense of humour only shines when you try to talk science.
That's what I call ironic.
Irony looks more like an idiot forgetting TOE is supported bty 150 years of falsifications. eg human knuckle walking anceestry, junk DNA, single celled LUCA.

The other thing that is ironic is that all you evos can do is fluff your ugly feathers and toot your horn.

So let's recap this 'science' you evos like to suggest you use. Certain predictions can be made from a creationist and evolutionary paradigm.

1. Adaptation is limited and organisms will remain in their familial groups. All recent genomic research runs counter clockwise to evolutionary expectations and indeed there is plenty of biased data that supports the creo paradigm that the genome is restricted and limited in its ability to adapt from microbe to dinosaur.

2. The genome will be found to be fully functional. A creator has no need to put junk in the genome as evos predicted. So far we are up to a definite 80% and well credentialled researchers eg Gingeras from ENCODE, fully expect that to rise to 100%.

3. All organs will be found to have some function. A creator as no need to make functionless organs. This has been validated with the evolutionary myth of 'NO function' being falsified.

4. Organisms will be found to appear suddenly in the fossil record and in line with a documented account of the appearance of life. This continues to be valdiated. eg Tetrapods, Cambrian explosion, animal life began in the sea.

Hence evolutionists would rather die than admit the evidence for creationism keeps mounting while evos continue to look silly with their flavours of the month and falsifications of previous claims.

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Piltdown Man
Piltdown Man - the greatest hoax in the history of science?|...
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Feb 4, 2012 ... When revealed as a fraud, several eminent men were put in the frame. Robin McKie meets the scientists who aim to put an end to the mystery.
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Suspected as questionable by SCIENTISTS from the very early days, and confirmed as a hoax by SCIENTISTS .

"As early as 1913, David Waterston of King's College London published in Nature his conclusion that the sample consisted of an ape mandible and human skull.[6] Likewise, French paleontologist Marcellin Boule concluded the same thing in 1915. A third opinion from American zoologist Gerrit Smith Miller concluded Piltdown's jaw came from a fossil ape. In 1923, Franz Weidenreich examined the remains and correctly reported that they consisted of a modern human cranium and an orangutan jaw with filed-down teeth." - Wiki.

The "discovery" was in 1912.

You really should stop using already-lost arguments.

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Hence evolutionists would rather die than admit the evidence for creationism keeps mounting while evos continue to look silly with their flavours of the month and falsifications of previous claims.
On the contrary. Evolutionist would simply be please that another unknown has been solved.

The fundies would be panicked if they were proven wrong.
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Well I suppose if there never was a theory, then the maker of the theory would not have had anything to say about it and you would have nothing to refute.
Oxygen may have filled Earth's atmosphere hundreds of millions of years earlier than previously thought, suggesting that sunlight-dependent life akin to modern plants evolved very early in Earth's history, a new study finds.
http://www.livescience.com/39938-earth-had-ox...
The bottom line is scientists have little to no clue about earths history, and keep changing their minds.
So let's recap this 'science' you evos like to suggest you use. Certain predictions can be made from a creationist and evolutionary paradigm.
1. Adaptation is limited and organisms will remain in their familial groups. All recent genomic research runs counter clockwise to evolutionary expectations and indeed there is plenty of biased data that supports the creo paradigm that the genome is restricted and limited in its ability to adapt from microbe to dinosaur.
2. The genome will be found to be fully functional. A creator has no need to put junk in the genome as evos predicted. So far we are up to a definite 80% and well credentialled researchers eg Gingeras from ENCODE, fully expect that to rise to 100%.
3. All organs will be found to have some function. A creator as no need to make functionless organs. This has been validated with the evolutionary myth of 'NO function' being falsified.
4. Organisms will be found to appear suddenly in the fossil record and in line with a documented account of the appearance of life. This continues to be valdiated. eg Tetrapods, Cambrian explosion, animal life began in the sea.
Hence evolutionists would rather die than admit the evidence for creationism keeps mounting while evos continue to look silly with their flavours of the month and falsifications of previous claims.
Oh look! Maz is presenting another linky which doesn't support him as usual then followed it up with another batch of lies and baseless claims. How can we stand against such intellectual inadequacy?!?

1 - You have no evidence of a young Earth, which is the only thing that would work.

2 - Now you're contradicting SBT. Oh, and your own claim on point one. That's because you're too stupid to have the slightest clue about the consequences of your statements.

3 - Until you can demonstrate every single function scientifically this particular (contradictory) claim by you will remain unevidenced. As it happens today however evolution is 96% better at predicting protein function for example than IDCreationism is. Which is stuck on zero. Like the evidence of its claims.

4 - Fossil record indicates clear evolutionary progression which you have dealt only with pure denial, never addressing the evidence. Plus you still haven't been able to provide a rational explanation as to why the Creator is as limited as you say it is. Of course you have been unable to demonstrate it even EXISTS yet, so uh...(shrug)

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Do you mean observations like they did with Piltdown Man in England? These Scientific Observers constructed a stone age man based on a jaw bone and ran with it. Piltdown Man was in all the scientific journals and it was the rage of the times.
The Jaw Bone turned out to be from a HOG !! So much for Scientific Objective Observation.
It was the scientists who proved Piltdown was wrong, doofus. You fundies didn't do shit and now you want to whine about how science corrects errors.
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Do you mean observations like they did with Piltdown Man in England? These Scientific Observers constructed a stone age man based on a jaw bone and ran with it. Piltdown Man was in all the scientific journals and it was the rage of the times.
The Jaw Bone turned out to be from a HOG !! So much for Scientific Objective Observation.
Actually it wasn't in all the scientific journals because the English wouldn't allow it to be examined by outsiders. Eventually the scientific community demanded people get a better look at it that it was found to be fake.

By evolutionary scientists using evolutionary methods you reject.

In short, you should be touting Piltdown as a fine example of a real genuine fossil of a once-living organism, because those nasty lying incompetent evolutionists told you it was a fake.
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Since when is your opinion classed as evidence?
When it's backed up with evidence that you cannot counter. That's why your opinion doesn't count. Especially since you always lie.(shrug)
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Wonderful. isn't it?.
OBSERVATION, just like my other 4 points, also supports a creationist paradigm and flies in the face of an evolutionary one.
Uh yeah, Maz. If you say so.

(pats Mazzy's head)

Uh, how do you go about observing invisible Jews again?
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How about eminent Medical Doctors and the Purveyors of Medical Science probing Abraham Lincoln's brain with their dirty unwashed fingers????
Gee whizz and this happened in the time of Darwin.... LOL
Murder of President Lincoln - History
history.furman.edu/benson/fyw2010/.../grahamc... - Similar to Murder of President Lincoln - History
The medical practices of the 1800's are generally thought of as both barbaric and ... night of April 14th, 1865, the Doctors treating Abraham Lincoln made critical errors ... Dr. Leale, even went so far as to stick his finger into the wound, to probe for the ... Each of the doctors caring for Lincoln was said to have stuck their finger ...
Oh, well, I guess that settles it then. Evolution falsified.
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Irony looks more like an idiot forgetting TOE is supported bty 150 years of falsifications.
How can we forget what you have been unable to provide?

Besides, you told us that evolution was not falsifiable.

If only you could make up your mind then perhaps you would have a coherent position.
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Certain predictions can be made from a creationist and evolutionary paradigm.
Wait - you're saying that evolution isn't true but evolution is DEFINITELY true?

See the problem? If you fundies were not a walking mass of contradictions then maybe you could convince the entire apparently stupid scientific community.

Who gave you your computer.
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These Scientists were scoffed at, and Ridiculed by Your Infallible Scientific Community.
Golly, Does this mean that sometimes the Scientific Community is WRONG????

Ridiculed science mavericks vindicated
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However, since the diamonds exist, we must distrust our first impressions.... Below is a list of scientists who were reviled for their crackpottery, only to be later ... Ovshinsky, Stanford R.(amorphous semiconductor devices); Pasteur, Louis ( germ .... Marshall needed about 10 years to convince the medical establishment to ...
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On the contrary. Evolutionist would simply be please that another unknown has been solved.
The fundies would be panicked if they were proven wrong.
And panic they do.

That panic eventually culminated in the Wedge Document. Which is why the fundies are here.
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These Scientists were scoffed at, and Ridiculed by Your Infallible Scientific Community.
Golly, Does this mean that sometimes the Scientific Community is WRONG????
Ridiculed science mavericks vindicated
amasci.com/weird/vindac.html - Similar to Ridiculed science mavericks vindicated
However, since the diamonds exist, we must distrust our first impressions.... Below is a list of scientists who were reviled for their crackpottery, only to be later ... Ovshinsky, Stanford R.(amorphous semiconductor devices); Pasteur, Louis ( germ .... Marshall needed about 10 years to convince the medical establishment to ...
And creationists have needed more than 150 years to convince the scientific establishment that evolution is wrong.

And they STILL can't do that.

Oh well, there's always prayer.(shrug)

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These Scientists were scoffed at, and Ridiculed by Your Infallible Scientific Community.
Golly, Does this mean that sometimes the Scientific Community is WRONG????
Ridiculed science mavericks vindicated
amasci.com/weird/vindac.html - Similar to Ridiculed science mavericks vindicated
However, since the diamonds exist, we must distrust our first impressions.... Below is a list of scientists who were reviled for their crackpottery, only to be later ... Ovshinsky, Stanford R.(amorphous semiconductor devices); Pasteur, Louis ( germ .... Marshall needed about 10 years to convince the medical establishment to ...
More whining about science.

It is the nature of scientists to be skeptical of new claims. As they should be. However, it was those sames scientists who investigated those claims and found them to be valid.

Once again, the fundies didn't do crap. Except whine.

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These Scientists were scoffed at, and Ridiculed by Your Infallible Scientific Community.
Golly, Does this mean that sometimes the Scientific Community is WRONG????
Ridiculed science mavericks vindicated
amasci.com/weird/vindac.html - Similar to Ridiculed science mavericks vindicated
However, since the diamonds exist, we must distrust our first impressions.... Below is a list of scientists who were reviled for their crackpottery, only to be later ... Ovshinsky, Stanford R.(amorphous semiconductor devices); Pasteur, Louis ( germ .... Marshall needed about 10 years to convince the medical establishment to ...
Where has Science ever claimed to be "Infallible"?

No, we're human. We make mistakes, and continue to pump out corrections.

As opposed to those Creationists that trot out the "Infallible, inerrant Bible".

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How about eminent Medical Doctors and the Purveyors of Medical Science probing Abraham Lincoln's brain with their dirty unwashed fingers????
Gee whizz and this happened in the time of Darwin.... LOL
Murder of President Lincoln - History
history.furman.edu/benson/fyw2010/.../grahamc... - Similar to Murder of President Lincoln - History
The medical practices of the 1800's are generally thought of as both barbaric and ... night of April 14th, 1865, the Doctors treating Abraham Lincoln made critical errors ... Dr. Leale, even went so far as to stick his finger into the wound, to probe for the ... Each of the doctors caring for Lincoln was said to have stuck their finger ...
Damn straight! Why didn't they just use an endoscope??? The dumbasses.
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Damn straight! Why didn't they just use an endoscope??? The dumbasses.
The Point is... they THOUGHT they were the Most Highly Intelligent people on the planet, much like you Atheists think today.

God laughed at those Doctors and God laughs at you. LOL

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Well I suppose if there never was a theory, then the maker of the theory would not have had anything to say about it and you would have nothing to refute.
Oxygen may have filled Earth's atmosphere hundreds of millions of years earlier than previously thought, suggesting that sunlight-dependent life akin to modern plants evolved very early in Earth's history, a new study finds.

http://www.livescience.com/39938-earth-had-ox...
See, this is your problem Maz, you read the hype and then forget to read the rest of the article. That line was pure hype and was not supported by the facts a bit later they say:

"However, recent research examining ancient rock deposits had suggested that oxygen may have transiently existed in the atmosphere 2.6 billion to 2.7 billion years ago"

Did you read that word "transiently". That does not say full, it does not mean it stuck aroung. There was little oxygen that lasted for a little while earlier than originally thought. That is all. It probably came from life. No harm, no foul.
The bottom line is scientists have little to no clue about earths history, and keep changing their minds.
No, the bottom line is that you misread articles and have no mind.
So let's recap this 'science' you evos like to suggest you use. Certain predictions can be made from a creationist and evolutionary paradigm.
1. Adaptation is limited and organisms will remain in their familial groups. All recent genomic research runs counter clockwise to evolutionary expectations and indeed there is plenty of biased data that supports the creo paradigm that the genome is restricted and limited in its ability to adapt from microbe to dinosaur.
No, that has not been supported by any of your articles to date. Once again, you see something and you misinterpret it. That has shown to be the case time after time. And of course you just did it again.
2. The genome will be found to be fully functional. A creator has no need to put junk in the genome as evos predicted. So far we are up to a definite 80% and well credentialled researchers eg Gingeras from ENCODE, fully expect that to rise to 100%.
Well since most "junk DNA" is still "junk" even with project ENCODE's findings you have a lot of work to do. A lot of "junk DNA" is minimally functional. The start and end of blocks of junk DNA can be of use, the interiors are still junk.
3. All organs will be found to have some function. A creator as no need to make functionless organs. This has been validated with the evolutionary myth of 'NO function' being falsified.
No, you have shown that you do not know the meaning of "vestigial organ" that is all. The appendix is still a vestigial organ, even though it still has some function, In fact that is evolution in action. The loss of an old function and the start of a new function is what the evolution paradigm predicts and creatardism has no answer for it.
4. Organisms will be found to appear suddenly in the fossil record and in line with a documented account of the appearance of life. This continues to be valdiated. eg Tetrapods, Cambrian explosion, animal life began in the sea.[/QUOLTE]

But they don't match what is predicted by your raggedy old book of fables. And we also have countless transitional fossils that tell us where much of that life came from. If you have serious questions ask them. They can be answered. If you ask idiotic questions you will be told by numerous people that they are idiotic.

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Hence evolutionists would rather die than admit the evidence for creationism keeps mounting while evos continue to look silly with their flavours of the month and falsifications of previous claims.
Uh huh, pull the other one. We can't help it if you continually misinterpret articles. We can tell you how you are wrong afterwards.

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It was the scientists who proved Piltdown was wrong, doofus. You fundies didn't do shit and now you want to whine about how science corrects errors.
Who said Piltdown was authentic to begin with? Wasn't it scientists?

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