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Overnight? You don't know much about Egyptian history, do you? Pyramid construction techniques developed over a period more than 1000 years.
You are talking about the Many FAILED attempts to construct pyramids, that were little more than piles of rocks, that more than once simply collapsed.
OVERNIGHT they built near perfect pyramids with highly complex interiors.
Modern stone carvers say that even with all their modern equipment, they would not even attempt to duplicate what the Ancient Egyptians did.
Some of the vaults are carved into square boxes, and they are made of some of the Hardest Stone known to man.
I have seen several modern stone contractors say those near perfect stone boxes can NOT be duplicated with today's technology.

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..and evolutionists plagiarised an old scroll that told them thousands of years prior to 'science' that animal life began in the sea.
No, the raggedy old piece of paper has nothing to do with evolution. The order is terribly wrong, the cause is totally wrong.

Evolution bases its theories upon observations. Plain and simple.

They don't make your mistake of interpreting observations to fit your presupposed answers. If the evidence supported "devolution" so would scientists. They really want to know the answer, regardless of what the answer is. You think you have the answer and you really want the evidence to fit it.

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You are talking about the Many FAILED attempts to construct pyramids, that were little more than piles of rocks, that more than once simply collapsed.
No, they were simple early pyramids. How were the "FAILED" in any way?
OVERNIGHT they built near perfect pyramids with highly complex interiors.
I have never seen any evidence for that. Let's see your evidence.
Modern stone carvers say that even with all their modern equipment, they would not even attempt to duplicate what the Ancient Egyptians did.
So you are talking about incompetent modern carvers. As far as moving the blocks that was a relatively easy task.
Some of the vaults are carved into square boxes, and they are made of some of the Hardest Stone known to man.
Umm no. Largely built of limestone, they definitely are not built of the "hardest stones known to man". The hardest rock you will find there is granite, and that is only moderately hard.
I have seen several modern stone contractors say those near perfect stone boxes can NOT be duplicated with today's technology.
Aah, so you have talked with morons then.

What is so hard about making a straight line or a ninety degree angle? We have known how to do that for, well since the pyramids were built.

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LOL, there is no "hydrolate theory". To be a theory a hypothesis first must be developed and tested many times and pass those tests or be rewritten and tested by scientists of the world. There never was even a "hydroplate hypothesis".
And the maker of the "hydorplate theory" forgets one easy fact that debunks his idiocy. The energy of that worldwide eruption would cook everything on the Earth. Let's run through some of his own numbers.
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Well I suppose if there never was a theory, then the maker of the theory would not have had anything to say about it and you would have nothing to refute.

Oxygen may have filled Earth's atmosphere hundreds of millions of years earlier than previously thought, suggesting that sunlight-dependent life akin to modern plants evolved very early in Earth's history, a new study finds.

http://www.livescience.com/39938-earth-had-ox...

The bottom line is scientists have little to no clue about earths history, and keep changing their minds.

So let's recap this 'science' you evos like to suggest you use. Certain predictions can be made from a creationist and evolutionary paradigm.

1. Adaptation is limited and organisms will remain in their familial groups. All recent genomic research runs counter clockwise to evolutionary expectations and indeed there is plenty of biased data that supports the creo paradigm that the genome is restricted and limited in its ability to adapt from microbe to dinosaur.

2. The genome will be found to be fully functional. A creator has no need to put junk in the genome as evos predicted. So far we are up to a definite 80% and well credentialled researchers eg Gingeras from ENCODE, fully expect that to rise to 100%.

3. All organs will be found to have some function. A creator as no need to make functionless organs. This has been validated with the evolutionary myth of 'NO function' being falsified.

4. Organisms will be found to appear suddenly in the fossil record and in line with a documented account of the appearance of life. This continues to be valdiated. eg Tetrapods, Cambrian explosion, animal life began in the sea.

Hence evolutionists would rather die than admit the evidence for creationism keeps mounting while evos continue to look silly with their flavours of the month and falsifications of previous claims.
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No, the raggedy old piece of paper has nothing to do with evolution. The order is terribly wrong, the cause is totally wrong.
Evolution bases its theories upon observations. Plain and simple.
They don't make your mistake of interpreting observations to fit your presupposed answers. If the evidence supported "devolution" so would scientists. They really want to know the answer, regardless of what the answer is. You think you have the answer and you really want the evidence to fit it.
Do you mean observations like they did with Piltdown Man in England? These Scientific Observers constructed a stone age man based on a jaw bone and ran with it. Piltdown Man was in all the scientific journals and it was the rage of the times.
The Jaw Bone turned out to be from a HOG !! So much for Scientific Objective Observation.
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Are you Atheists Members of the Libertarian Party?
Are you hard at work trying to convert Religious Folks to Atheism?
What does atheism have to do with anything? See it in the thread title? Nope. Science doesn't care about your beliefs. Science just works.
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Piltdown Man

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Feb 4, 2012 ... When revealed as a fraud, several eminent men were put in the frame. Robin McKie meets the scientists who aim to put an end to the mystery.

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Pinched? Plagiarized? I would point out to you that there Was NO Jewish Religion as we know it today BEFORE Moses. Moses is credited with writing the First Five Books of the Holy Bible, called the "Torah
" by the Jews. Moses was NOT taught the Jewish Religion, there was NONE, other than what they picked up from the Babylonians, and other peoples that they came in contact with.
Moses was a Prince of Egypt, adopted into the Royal Family, and Heir to the Throne of Egypt. No doubt Moses had a lot of Heirs in front of him, but nevertheless Moses was part of the Royal Family. Moses was taught the Ancient Egyptian Religion from several Egyptian sources, including the book that WE named "Egyptian Book of the Dead."
The Ancient Egyptians called that book, "The Book of the Great Awakening,"and it describes the Spirit returning to consciousness AFTER the Death of the Body. If you survive the death of the body, which depends on your beliefs, or lack thereof, you will discover that you float and fly in the air, and you are carried about by your thoughts.
You have to concentrate on walking to regain the ability to walk. The same situation holds true to get your Spirit to regain all the abilities of the now deceased body.
The Egyptian Book of the Dead discusses this phenomena, and there is a Chapter devoted entirely to regaining the use of your legs, and learning again to WALK upon the Earth.
If you believe the Ancient Egyptians, a wandering band of nomadic desert dwellers suddenly developed the engineering techniques overnight to build the complicated and near perfect pyramids all by themselves, you are an imbecile.
Yep, they built the pyramids. Around one hundred and sixteen have been discovered so far. And what they show is a clear learning curve. And as far as we know, they had no need for assistance from invisible magic Jews.

But they might have had assistance from invisible magic men with wolf heads and bird heads.
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..and evolutionists plagiarised an old scroll that told them thousands of years prior to 'science' that animal life began in the sea.
Thousands of years of failing to get God to pass the scientific method and your sense of humour only shines when you try to talk science.

That's what I call ironic.

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You are talking about the Many FAILED attempts to construct pyramids, that were little more than piles of rocks, that more than once simply collapsed.
OVERNIGHT they built near perfect pyramids with highly complex interiors.
Modern stone carvers say that even with all their modern equipment, they would not even attempt to duplicate what the Ancient Egyptians did.
Some of the vaults are carved into square boxes, and they are made of some of the Hardest Stone known to man.
I have seen several modern stone contractors say those near perfect stone boxes can NOT be duplicated with today's technology.
"OVERNIGHT"??
*helpless laughter*
The Great Pyramid of Khufu alone took 20 years to build. Had a peak workforce of an estimated 40,000. And they were NOT slaves. They were a sort of corvée, except that they got paid, housed, fed, and given beer. And many of them were highly skilled artisans.

Also, ANY modern engineer could build a pyramid, give the funding. The principles are not complicated - although the precise methods used by the Egyptians are still under discussion. Several viable methods have been advanced.

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No, the raggedy old piece of paper has nothing to do with evolution. The order is terribly wrong, the cause is totally wrong.
Evolution bases its theories upon observations. Plain and simple.
They don't make your mistake of interpreting observations to fit your presupposed answers. If the evidence supported "devolution" so would scientists. They really want to know the answer, regardless of what the answer is. You think you have the answer and you really want the evidence to fit it.
Since when is your opinion classed as evidence? When are you going toactually present some of this research to support your waffle?

Observations...you have centuries of breeders giving you direct observation that an organism like a dog is NEVER going to be bred to be as big as a dinosaur.

Are you evos now trying to suggest that evolution has NOTHING to do with Mendellian inheritance? Maybe your being a walking viral remnant or ERV functionality means a virus is untimately your creator and reponsible for your evolution. Wonderful. isn't it?.

OBSERVATION, just like my other 4 points, also supports a creationist paradigm and flies in the face of an evolutionary one.
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You are talking about the Many FAILED attempts to construct pyramids, that were little more than piles of rocks, that more than once simply collapsed.
OVERNIGHT they built near perfect pyramids with highly complex interiors.
Modern stone carvers say that even with all their modern equipment, they would not even attempt to duplicate what the Ancient Egyptians did.
Some of the vaults are carved into square boxes, and they are made of some of the Hardest Stone known to man.
I have seen several modern stone contractors say those near perfect stone boxes can NOT be duplicated with today's technology.
So what was it then? God? Aliens? Wait, the aliens were angels weren't they?

And what was the point of these big stationary triangular thingumabobs again? To show that God exists? Landing pad for the alien-angel's spacecraft?

Whatever it was the Egyptians themselves appeared to have missed the point entirely and cover them with Egyptian graffiti worshipping the Egyptian pantheon and throwing their dead pharaohs inside in the belief they would become Gods themselves and take their followers with them to eternal paradise.
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How about eminent Medical Doctors and the Purveyors of Medical Science probing Abraham Lincoln's brain with their dirty unwashed fingers????
Gee whizz and this happened in the time of Darwin.... LOL

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You are talking about the Many FAILED attempts to construct pyramids, that were little more than piles of rocks, that more than once simply collapsed.
OVERNIGHT they built near perfect pyramids with highly complex interiors.
NONE of this happened overnight. And they were building mastabas long before they advanced to pyramids.
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Modern stone carvers say that even with all their modern equipment, they would not even attempt to duplicate what the Ancient Egyptians did.
Pure bullshit. Have you been there? Do you know what your talking about or just parroting something you saw on some dubious TV show?
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Some of the vaults are carved into square boxes, and they are made of some of the Hardest Stone known to man.
I have seen several modern stone contractors say those near perfect stone boxes can NOT be duplicated with today's technology.
They probably took you for a nutcase and they lied to you as a method of self-preservation.

There is NO doubt whatsoever that we have the technical abilities to build pyramids at least as well constructed as the ones in Egypt. It's just that none seem to be interested in pissing away that much money.

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Thousands of years of failing to get God to pass the scientific method and your sense of humour only shines when you try to talk science.
That's what I call ironic.
Irony looks more like an idiot forgetting TOE is supported bty 150 years of falsifications. eg human knuckle walking anceestry, junk DNA, single celled LUCA.

The other thing that is ironic is that all you evos can do is fluff your ugly feathers and toot your horn.

So let's recap this 'science' you evos like to suggest you use. Certain predictions can be made from a creationist and evolutionary paradigm.

1. Adaptation is limited and organisms will remain in their familial groups. All recent genomic research runs counter clockwise to evolutionary expectations and indeed there is plenty of biased data that supports the creo paradigm that the genome is restricted and limited in its ability to adapt from microbe to dinosaur.

2. The genome will be found to be fully functional. A creator has no need to put junk in the genome as evos predicted. So far we are up to a definite 80% and well credentialled researchers eg Gingeras from ENCODE, fully expect that to rise to 100%.

3. All organs will be found to have some function. A creator as no need to make functionless organs. This has been validated with the evolutionary myth of 'NO function' being falsified.

4. Organisms will be found to appear suddenly in the fossil record and in line with a documented account of the appearance of life. This continues to be valdiated. eg Tetrapods, Cambrian explosion, animal life began in the sea.

Hence evolutionists would rather die than admit the evidence for creationism keeps mounting while evos continue to look silly with their flavours of the month and falsifications of previous claims.

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Piltdown Man
Piltdown Man - the greatest hoax in the history of science?|...
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Follow the story of Piltdown Man, once hailed as our early human ancestor but exposed as a shocking scientific fraud 40 years later. Who did it and why?
Piltdown Man: British archaeology's greatest hoax | Robin ...
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Feb 4, 2012 ... When revealed as a fraud, several eminent men were put in the frame. Robin McKie meets the scientists who aim to put an end to the mystery.
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Suspected as questionable by SCIENTISTS from the very early days, and confirmed as a hoax by SCIENTISTS .

"As early as 1913, David Waterston of King's College London published in Nature his conclusion that the sample consisted of an ape mandible and human skull.[6] Likewise, French paleontologist Marcellin Boule concluded the same thing in 1915. A third opinion from American zoologist Gerrit Smith Miller concluded Piltdown's jaw came from a fossil ape. In 1923, Franz Weidenreich examined the remains and correctly reported that they consisted of a modern human cranium and an orangutan jaw with filed-down teeth." - Wiki.

The "discovery" was in 1912.

You really should stop using already-lost arguments.

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Hence evolutionists would rather die than admit the evidence for creationism keeps mounting while evos continue to look silly with their flavours of the month and falsifications of previous claims.
On the contrary. Evolutionist would simply be please that another unknown has been solved.

The fundies would be panicked if they were proven wrong.
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Well I suppose if there never was a theory, then the maker of the theory would not have had anything to say about it and you would have nothing to refute.
Oxygen may have filled Earth's atmosphere hundreds of millions of years earlier than previously thought, suggesting that sunlight-dependent life akin to modern plants evolved very early in Earth's history, a new study finds.
http://www.livescience.com/39938-earth-had-ox...
The bottom line is scientists have little to no clue about earths history, and keep changing their minds.
So let's recap this 'science' you evos like to suggest you use. Certain predictions can be made from a creationist and evolutionary paradigm.
1. Adaptation is limited and organisms will remain in their familial groups. All recent genomic research runs counter clockwise to evolutionary expectations and indeed there is plenty of biased data that supports the creo paradigm that the genome is restricted and limited in its ability to adapt from microbe to dinosaur.
2. The genome will be found to be fully functional. A creator has no need to put junk in the genome as evos predicted. So far we are up to a definite 80% and well credentialled researchers eg Gingeras from ENCODE, fully expect that to rise to 100%.
3. All organs will be found to have some function. A creator as no need to make functionless organs. This has been validated with the evolutionary myth of 'NO function' being falsified.
4. Organisms will be found to appear suddenly in the fossil record and in line with a documented account of the appearance of life. This continues to be valdiated. eg Tetrapods, Cambrian explosion, animal life began in the sea.
Hence evolutionists would rather die than admit the evidence for creationism keeps mounting while evos continue to look silly with their flavours of the month and falsifications of previous claims.
Oh look! Maz is presenting another linky which doesn't support him as usual then followed it up with another batch of lies and baseless claims. How can we stand against such intellectual inadequacy?!?

1 - You have no evidence of a young Earth, which is the only thing that would work.

2 - Now you're contradicting SBT. Oh, and your own claim on point one. That's because you're too stupid to have the slightest clue about the consequences of your statements.

3 - Until you can demonstrate every single function scientifically this particular (contradictory) claim by you will remain unevidenced. As it happens today however evolution is 96% better at predicting protein function for example than IDCreationism is. Which is stuck on zero. Like the evidence of its claims.

4 - Fossil record indicates clear evolutionary progression which you have dealt only with pure denial, never addressing the evidence. Plus you still haven't been able to provide a rational explanation as to why the Creator is as limited as you say it is. Of course you have been unable to demonstrate it even EXISTS yet, so uh...(shrug)

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Do you mean observations like they did with Piltdown Man in England? These Scientific Observers constructed a stone age man based on a jaw bone and ran with it. Piltdown Man was in all the scientific journals and it was the rage of the times.
The Jaw Bone turned out to be from a HOG !! So much for Scientific Objective Observation.
It was the scientists who proved Piltdown was wrong, doofus. You fundies didn't do shit and now you want to whine about how science corrects errors.
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Do you mean observations like they did with Piltdown Man in England? These Scientific Observers constructed a stone age man based on a jaw bone and ran with it. Piltdown Man was in all the scientific journals and it was the rage of the times.
The Jaw Bone turned out to be from a HOG !! So much for Scientific Objective Observation.
Actually it wasn't in all the scientific journals because the English wouldn't allow it to be examined by outsiders. Eventually the scientific community demanded people get a better look at it that it was found to be fake.

By evolutionary scientists using evolutionary methods you reject.

In short, you should be touting Piltdown as a fine example of a real genuine fossil of a once-living organism, because those nasty lying incompetent evolutionists told you it was a fake.

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