Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#106337 Nov 20, 2013
SBT wrote:
So I get this lecture about answering in science but this conjecture doesn't apply to you, then you state I didn't answer when I did as above, claim I dodge when I don't, then avoid and deflect the real challenges.
There ARE no challenges. All that's happening is that you're denying reality, we're pointing that out, then you ignore it then lie a lot. This is why you're having so much trouble.
SBT wrote:
Origins is a puzzle, I think when we put enough pieces together the puzzle will be a picture of God
What you think is irrelevant to reality. But then you don't even think which puts you at an even greater disadvantage.
SBT wrote:
I present puzzle pieces, you claim I cherrypick and am against "all science", wrong, I am against "science, falsely so called" where operational science and evo origins science split.
If this were true you would not be a creationist. Fact is you aren't qualified to criticize science from even a laymen's level.
SBT wrote:
I call out any origins belief that are biased and unsubstantiated.
BS. Which is why you are a hypocrite
SBT wrote:
I saw people take wrong paths in life and self destructed, living or dead over these things.
This has no bearing at all on the validity of evolutionary biology.
SBT wrote:
Evolutionism is wrong, easily controverted once other evidence is presented and like it or not that's true.
If that's the case then how come no creationist on the planet has been able to falsify it yet? How come you're not able to present a single shred of evidence?

Your problem is that your objections, rooted in theological apologetics, are based on foundations you cannot support, thus totally undercutting any and all arguments you might have. Our foundations are based on the axioms that reality is real and magic Jews are not scientifically demonstrable.

That's why we win all the time.

When you come to us with a PC that runs on Jewmagic then you can say 'I told you so'.
SBT wrote:
In my experience being in this for 37 years the evidence only builds for this position. Like the MO-1, Moon orbital escape and magnetism and on and on, more daily, it all fits.
Your experience is nil since you have demonstrated nothing except for your extreme lack of science education. How does a global flood drown everybody when temperatures reach 10,000 degrees?

Don't worry, ignore reality and just say that a global flood happened anyway despite ZERO evidence to support it and TONS of evidence against. Evidence doesn't matter when you argue for invisible Jewish magic anyway.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#106338 Nov 20, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that likely.(Ignoring for a moment that I don't buy the Moses/Exodus story)
I think it's quite possible that Judeo-Christian mono-theism may well have had roots in Aten monotheism but personally I'm not convinced that the path was that direct. Though certainly the Bible pinched parts of Egyptian mythology (Moses in a basket and Jesus walking on water were done by earlier Egyptian characters), just as Christians plagiarised the Jews and Muslims plagiarised the Christians. Basically they were too lazy to make up their own myths.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#106339 Nov 20, 2013
SBT wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. Morton makes some pretty outlandish claims here, there are no "strongly suggests" or "this could be" he asserts "is", "cant's" etc... When theorists start talking in absolute terms such as there could be "no mountains or earthquakes" or it would all fail etc., makes me suspect. This is also 10 years old.
Browns updated eveidence gives his idea credence because he hypothesized such years back and now is proven correct, when no one believed it (deep drill results).
Oh right, that must be why they use Morton's data to find oil deposits and not a hack like Brown.

Keep in mind that your boys DID send creationists out into the field during the eighties SPECIFICALLY to find evidence of the "flood". When they came back empty handed and told them the evidence demonstrated a (very) old Earth they stopped sending people out. And instead they made careers of spreading BS on the internet by misrepresenting science all from the comfort of their own armchairs.

You still ready to tackle the numerous problems with your position yet? You know, the stuff we've been telling you for months which you still haven't got around to dealing with yet?

Thought not.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#106340 Nov 20, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it's quite possible that Judeo-Christian mono-theism may well have had roots in Aten monotheism but personally I'm not convinced that the path was that direct. Though certainly the Bible pinched parts of Egyptian mythology (Moses in a basket and Jesus walking on water were done by earlier Egyptian characters), just as Christians plagiarised the Jews and Muslims plagiarised the Christians. Basically they were too lazy to make up their own myths.
Akhenaten ruled and his religion lasted for about 17 years. While possible, it seems unlikely that he had a lasting influence.
Patriot

Savannah, GA

#106342 Nov 20, 2013
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Are you hard at work trying to convert Religious Folks to Atheism?

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“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#106343 Nov 20, 2013
Patriot wrote:
Are you Atheists Members of the Libertarian Party?
Are you hard at work trying to convert Religious Folks to Atheism?
Wrong forum, doofus.
Patriot

Savannah, GA

#106344 Nov 20, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it's quite possible that Judeo-Christian mono-theism may well have had roots in Aten monotheism but personally I'm not convinced that the path was that direct. Though certainly the Bible pinched parts of Egyptian mythology (Moses in a basket and Jesus walking on water were done by earlier Egyptian characters), just as Christians plagiarised the Jews and Muslims plagiarised the Christians. Basically they were too lazy to make up their own myths.
Pinched? Plagiarized? I would point out to you that there Was NO Jewish Religion as we know it today BEFORE Moses. Moses is credited with writing the First Five Books of the Holy Bible, called the "Torah
" by the Jews. Moses was NOT taught the Jewish Religion, there was NONE, other than what they picked up from the Babylonians, and other peoples that they came in contact with.

Moses was a Prince of Egypt, adopted into the Royal Family, and Heir to the Throne of Egypt. No doubt Moses had a lot of Heirs in front of him, but nevertheless Moses was part of the Royal Family. Moses was taught the Ancient Egyptian Religion from several Egyptian sources, including the book that WE named "Egyptian Book of the Dead."
The Ancient Egyptians called that book, "The Book of the Great Awakening,"and it describes the Spirit returning to consciousness AFTER the Death of the Body. If you survive the death of the body, which depends on your beliefs, or lack thereof, you will discover that you float and fly in the air, and you are carried about by your thoughts.
You have to concentrate on walking to regain the ability to walk. The same situation holds true to get your Spirit to regain all the abilities of the now deceased body.
The Egyptian Book of the Dead discusses this phenomena, and there is a Chapter devoted entirely to regaining the use of your legs, and learning again to WALK upon the Earth.

If you believe the Ancient Egyptians, a wandering band of nomadic desert dwellers suddenly developed the engineering techniques overnight to build the complicated and near perfect pyramids all by themselves, you are an imbecile.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#106346 Nov 20, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
Pinched? Plagiarized? I would point out to you that there Was NO Jewish Religion as we know it today BEFORE Moses. Moses is credited with writing the First Five Books of the Holy Bible, called the "Torah
" by the Jews. Moses was NOT taught the Jewish Religion, there was NONE, other than what they picked up from the Babylonians, and other peoples that they came in contact with.
Moses was a Prince of Egypt, adopted into the Royal Family, and Heir to the Throne of Egypt. No doubt Moses had a lot of Heirs in front of him, but nevertheless Moses was part of the Royal Family. Moses was taught the Ancient Egyptian Religion from several Egyptian sources, including the book that WE named "Egyptian Book of the Dead."
The Ancient Egyptians called that book, "The Book of the Great Awakening,"and it describes the Spirit returning to consciousness AFTER the Death of the Body. If you survive the death of the body, which depends on your beliefs, or lack thereof, you will discover that you float and fly in the air, and you are carried about by your thoughts.
You have to concentrate on walking to regain the ability to walk. The same situation holds true to get your Spirit to regain all the abilities of the now deceased body.
The Egyptian Book of the Dead discusses this phenomena, and there is a Chapter devoted entirely to regaining the use of your legs, and learning again to WALK upon the Earth.
If you believe the Ancient Egyptians, a wandering band of nomadic desert dwellers suddenly developed the engineering techniques overnight to build the complicated and near perfect pyramids all by themselves, you are an imbecile.
Overnight? You don't know much about Egyptian history, do you? Pyramid construction techniques developed over a period more than 1000 years.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#106347 Nov 20, 2013
LOL, there is no "hydrolate theory". To be a theory a hypothesis first must be developed and tested many times and pass those tests or be rewritten and tested by scientists of the world. There never was even a "hydroplate hypothesis".

And the maker of the "hydorplate theory" forgets one easy fact that debunks his idiocy. The energy of that worldwide eruption would cook everything on the Earth. Let's run through some of his own numbers.

He claimed that the energy of 3 * 10^13 hydrogen bombs would be released. So using a value of 2 * 10^17 Joules (a moderate thermonuclear device) we get 6 *10 ^30 Joules released. Most of that would be immediately be released to the atmosphere. Let's say about half to be on the safe side. The atmosphere masses 5 * 10^18 kilograms and air has a specific heat of just over 1000 joules/kilogram degree Celsius. Whew.

So we take the Energy times divided by the mass and divide that by the specific heat to get 3 *10^30 joules/5*10^18 kilograms/1000j?kgC = 15*10^(30 - 18 -3)= 15 BILLION DEGREES CELSIUS!!

Okay, poor Noah and family are not cooked, they are ionized!!

I can't change the amount of energy your good "doctor" claimed was released, perhaps I can make it easier for Noah et al. if we spread it out. So how long did the waters rise? Wasn't it on the order of 40 days and 40 nights. Lets spread that out over 40 days. Okay, now the amount of heat released each day is only enough to raise the temperature of the atmosphere 375 million degrees each day, every day, for 40 days and nights.

Hmm, Noah and family are still ionized. Okay how about if only 1% of the energy went into the atmosphere. Lets see what happens then. Aha! Now we are getting somewhere. Noah and company would only be heated up 7.5 million degrees Celsius. Oops. Still ionized.

In fact if only one thousandth of a percent of all of that energy was released into the atmosphere over a 40 day period the temperature of the atmosphere would still have gone up 7,500 degrees Celsius. The rest would have to go into the crust of the Earth and I have not calculated what problems that would have caused yet.

So with only the smallest of fractions of the energy going into they atmosphere the so called hydroplate theory not only kills everybody on the Earth, it cooks them to a cinder as well.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Australia

#106348 Nov 20, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it's quite possible that Judeo-Christian mono-theism may well have had roots in Aten monotheism but personally I'm not convinced that the path was that direct. Though certainly the Bible pinched parts of Egyptian mythology (Moses in a basket and Jesus walking on water were done by earlier Egyptian characters), just as Christians plagiarised the Jews and Muslims plagiarised the Christians. Basically they were too lazy to make up their own myths.
..and evolutionists plagiarised an old scroll that told them thousands of years prior to 'science' that animal life began in the sea.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#106349 Nov 20, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
Pinched? Plagiarized? I would point out to you that there Was NO Jewish Religion as we know it today BEFORE Moses. Moses is credited with writing the First Five Books of the Holy Bible, called the "Torah
" by the Jews. Moses was NOT taught the Jewish Religion, there was NONE, other than what they picked up from the Babylonians, and other peoples that they came in contact with.
Moses was a Prince of Egypt, adopted into the Royal Family, and Heir to the Throne of Egypt. No doubt Moses had a lot of Heirs in front of him, but nevertheless Moses was part of the Royal Family. Moses was taught the Ancient Egyptian Religion from several Egyptian sources, including the book that WE named "Egyptian Book of the Dead."
The Ancient Egyptians called that book, "The Book of the Great Awakening,"and it describes the Spirit returning to consciousness AFTER the Death of the Body. If you survive the death of the body, which depends on your beliefs, or lack thereof, you will discover that you float and fly in the air, and you are carried about by your thoughts.
You have to concentrate on walking to regain the ability to walk. The same situation holds true to get your Spirit to regain all the abilities of the now deceased body.
The Egyptian Book of the Dead discusses this phenomena, and there is a Chapter devoted entirely to regaining the use of your legs, and learning again to WALK upon the Earth.
If you believe the Ancient Egyptians, a wandering band of nomadic desert dwellers suddenly developed the engineering techniques overnight to build the complicated and near perfect pyramids all by themselves, you are an imbecile.
*sigh*

The Egyptians (who kept excellent records, even of military defeats) have no records of this "Prince of Egypt" at all.

Nor of the so-called "Captivity".

Also, the Egyptians of the period were not "nomadic desert -dwellers.

They were the greatest civilization of the day, at least in the area, and lived mostly in settled towns and cities, great cities, in the Nile Basin.

Great Bog, do you know nothing of history?

Never mind. Tag that question as rhetorical.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#106350 Nov 20, 2013
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
..and evolutionists plagiarised an old scroll that told them thousands of years prior to 'science' that animal life began in the sea.
Uh-huh.

And ignored the part that said plants existed before the sun.
Patriot

Savannah, GA

#106351 Nov 20, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Overnight? You don't know much about Egyptian history, do you? Pyramid construction techniques developed over a period more than 1000 years.
You are talking about the Many FAILED attempts to construct pyramids, that were little more than piles of rocks, that more than once simply collapsed.
OVERNIGHT they built near perfect pyramids with highly complex interiors.
Modern stone carvers say that even with all their modern equipment, they would not even attempt to duplicate what the Ancient Egyptians did.
Some of the vaults are carved into square boxes, and they are made of some of the Hardest Stone known to man.
I have seen several modern stone contractors say those near perfect stone boxes can NOT be duplicated with today's technology.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#106352 Nov 20, 2013
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
..and evolutionists plagiarised an old scroll that told them thousands of years prior to 'science' that animal life began in the sea.
No, the raggedy old piece of paper has nothing to do with evolution. The order is terribly wrong, the cause is totally wrong.

Evolution bases its theories upon observations. Plain and simple.

They don't make your mistake of interpreting observations to fit your presupposed answers. If the evidence supported "devolution" so would scientists. They really want to know the answer, regardless of what the answer is. You think you have the answer and you really want the evidence to fit it.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#106353 Nov 20, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
You are talking about the Many FAILED attempts to construct pyramids, that were little more than piles of rocks, that more than once simply collapsed.
No, they were simple early pyramids. How were the "FAILED" in any way?
OVERNIGHT they built near perfect pyramids with highly complex interiors.
I have never seen any evidence for that. Let's see your evidence.
Modern stone carvers say that even with all their modern equipment, they would not even attempt to duplicate what the Ancient Egyptians did.
So you are talking about incompetent modern carvers. As far as moving the blocks that was a relatively easy task.
Some of the vaults are carved into square boxes, and they are made of some of the Hardest Stone known to man.
Umm no. Largely built of limestone, they definitely are not built of the "hardest stones known to man". The hardest rock you will find there is granite, and that is only moderately hard.
I have seen several modern stone contractors say those near perfect stone boxes can NOT be duplicated with today's technology.
Aah, so you have talked with morons then.

What is so hard about making a straight line or a ninety degree angle? We have known how to do that for, well since the pyramids were built.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Australia

#106354 Nov 20, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
LOL, there is no "hydrolate theory". To be a theory a hypothesis first must be developed and tested many times and pass those tests or be rewritten and tested by scientists of the world. There never was even a "hydroplate hypothesis".
And the maker of the "hydorplate theory" forgets one easy fact that debunks his idiocy. The energy of that worldwide eruption would cook everything on the Earth. Let's run through some of his own numbers.
.
Well I suppose if there never was a theory, then the maker of the theory would not have had anything to say about it and you would have nothing to refute.

Oxygen may have filled Earth's atmosphere hundreds of millions of years earlier than previously thought, suggesting that sunlight-dependent life akin to modern plants evolved very early in Earth's history, a new study finds.

http://www.livescience.com/39938-earth-had-ox...

The bottom line is scientists have little to no clue about earths history, and keep changing their minds.

So let's recap this 'science' you evos like to suggest you use. Certain predictions can be made from a creationist and evolutionary paradigm.

1. Adaptation is limited and organisms will remain in their familial groups. All recent genomic research runs counter clockwise to evolutionary expectations and indeed there is plenty of biased data that supports the creo paradigm that the genome is restricted and limited in its ability to adapt from microbe to dinosaur.

2. The genome will be found to be fully functional. A creator has no need to put junk in the genome as evos predicted. So far we are up to a definite 80% and well credentialled researchers eg Gingeras from ENCODE, fully expect that to rise to 100%.

3. All organs will be found to have some function. A creator as no need to make functionless organs. This has been validated with the evolutionary myth of 'NO function' being falsified.

4. Organisms will be found to appear suddenly in the fossil record and in line with a documented account of the appearance of life. This continues to be valdiated. eg Tetrapods, Cambrian explosion, animal life began in the sea.

Hence evolutionists would rather die than admit the evidence for creationism keeps mounting while evos continue to look silly with their flavours of the month and falsifications of previous claims.
Patriot

Savannah, GA

#106355 Nov 20, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
No, the raggedy old piece of paper has nothing to do with evolution. The order is terribly wrong, the cause is totally wrong.
Evolution bases its theories upon observations. Plain and simple.
They don't make your mistake of interpreting observations to fit your presupposed answers. If the evidence supported "devolution" so would scientists. They really want to know the answer, regardless of what the answer is. You think you have the answer and you really want the evidence to fit it.
Do you mean observations like they did with Piltdown Man in England? These Scientific Observers constructed a stone age man based on a jaw bone and ran with it. Piltdown Man was in all the scientific journals and it was the rage of the times.
The Jaw Bone turned out to be from a HOG !! So much for Scientific Objective Observation.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#106356 Nov 20, 2013
Patriot wrote:
Are you Atheists Members of the Libertarian Party?
Are you hard at work trying to convert Religious Folks to Atheism?
What does atheism have to do with anything? See it in the thread title? Nope. Science doesn't care about your beliefs. Science just works.
Patriot

Savannah, GA

#106357 Nov 20, 2013
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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#106358 Nov 20, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
Pinched? Plagiarized? I would point out to you that there Was NO Jewish Religion as we know it today BEFORE Moses. Moses is credited with writing the First Five Books of the Holy Bible, called the "Torah
" by the Jews. Moses was NOT taught the Jewish Religion, there was NONE, other than what they picked up from the Babylonians, and other peoples that they came in contact with.
Moses was a Prince of Egypt, adopted into the Royal Family, and Heir to the Throne of Egypt. No doubt Moses had a lot of Heirs in front of him, but nevertheless Moses was part of the Royal Family. Moses was taught the Ancient Egyptian Religion from several Egyptian sources, including the book that WE named "Egyptian Book of the Dead."
The Ancient Egyptians called that book, "The Book of the Great Awakening,"and it describes the Spirit returning to consciousness AFTER the Death of the Body. If you survive the death of the body, which depends on your beliefs, or lack thereof, you will discover that you float and fly in the air, and you are carried about by your thoughts.
You have to concentrate on walking to regain the ability to walk. The same situation holds true to get your Spirit to regain all the abilities of the now deceased body.
The Egyptian Book of the Dead discusses this phenomena, and there is a Chapter devoted entirely to regaining the use of your legs, and learning again to WALK upon the Earth.
If you believe the Ancient Egyptians, a wandering band of nomadic desert dwellers suddenly developed the engineering techniques overnight to build the complicated and near perfect pyramids all by themselves, you are an imbecile.
Yep, they built the pyramids. Around one hundred and sixteen have been discovered so far. And what they show is a clear learning curve. And as far as we know, they had no need for assistance from invisible magic Jews.

But they might have had assistance from invisible magic men with wolf heads and bird heads.

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