Evolution vs. Creation

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#106311 Nov 20, 2013
SBT wrote:
I appreciate that you took in the video.
Didn't waste my time.(shrug) I appreciate you didn't bother dealing with my post either.
SBT wrote:
Brown has alot going for him
As a liar for Jesus can always make money off the rubes. You should try it.
SBT wrote:
On genetics all agree that things are corrupting not enhancing.
Reality does not agree with you, plus this contradicts many other creationists which I'm sure you will agree with when it's convenient.
SBT wrote:
Further supports my point, going back = pure gene data and an evo proof Cell/DNA mechanism.
No, since you have zero evidence.
SBT wrote:
The evo genetic experts are simply flooding the media with corn data to hide whats going on
So it's all part of the evil evolutionist worldwide atheist Satanic conspiracy.

Therefore evidence doesn't matter since it's either part of the cover up or covered by the cover up which you can't uncover.

Must suck to be you.
SBT wrote:
Your side has a real problem on the DNA/Cell side and would be annihilated in a public debate anytime, anyday.
Ah, THAT'S why you keep losing in court too, as WELL as the scientific arena.

And here.
SBT wrote:
Then my side picks them apart and your side say's all we do is act like critics and don't do any real science. Partly true
COMPLETELY true as your folks sit on their fat azzes while ours do the work, while you lazy bums criticize science you know nothing about and were not even involved in. All you need is a comfy seat, an internet connection, and stupid fundies to lap it all up.
SBT wrote:
At uniform erosion rates, all the mountains of earth would be worn flat in <20MY,
Fundies can't count. Plus refuse to take other factors into account such as mountain building. At GLOBAL FLOOD erosion rates there would BE no mountains. Plus even better you then NEED evolution to happen to account for biological variation from a tiny population.

Of course that tiny population are now crispy-critters, but...
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#106312 Nov 20, 2013
Patriot wrote:
One should never assume that ONE Single "Holy" Book has all the answers.
Good, glad we agree that the book's BS.
Patriot wrote:
God was around LONG Before the Bible and it's people came into existence. ONE Source should never be used in attempts to prove or disprove the existence of a Supreme Being.
Actually only one sauce was ever needed.

Pasta sauce.

See, it wasn't Amen Ra. It was RAMEN!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#106313 Nov 20, 2013
Patriot wrote:
Albert Einstein was correct when he said that space and time are curved.
Albert Einstein and Science are WRONG when they say the "Fastest thing in the universe is the Speed of Light."
The Fastest thing in the Universe is the Speed of Thought.... roll that around in your brain....
Actually I thought I heard about some brain research which showed that the electro-chemical processes of our brains are limited by the speed of light? Not that this would affect invisible Jews of course, especially since they HAVE no brains.

Which is why 'God' ain't science.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#106314 Nov 20, 2013
Patriot wrote:
Jesus Christ....
Yeah, Jesus Christ, P, you sure love to preach...

We don't care.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#106315 Nov 20, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
Going back to when? What is pure DNA data? Is there impure DNA data?
Sure there is. Adam and Eve were white.

I know because I looked it up on the internet.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#106316 Nov 20, 2013
SBT wrote:
<quoted text>
Good topic, first, I had that post in draft mode, closed my laptop last night and woke up to a post! opened it this am, was still in edit mode. Oh well.
Don't worry, no-one's missed anything.(shrug)

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#106317 Nov 20, 2013
Patriot wrote:
Angels have the power to shape shift and assume ANY Form, from bears, to little green men, to the "Grays with the big oval eyes" to anything else imaginable.
Look at the main Gods of Ancient Egypt. Look at the other ancient religions and their strange looking Gods, half man, half bird or beast. These things are called Mythology. I am not so certain.
The Ancient Egyptians spent most of the Gross Domestic Product of Egypt on Religion, Temples, and Statues. If they didn't see anything unusual right in their midst, what do you think drove them to do such a thing?
2 Kings 2:23-24
New International Version (NIV)
Elisha Is Jeered
23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him.“Get out of here, baldy!” they said.“Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
So angels are shape shifting aliens , gottcha.

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Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#106318 Nov 20, 2013
Professor wrote:
Even if evolution is true (and there is plenty of evidence to support it), scientists cannot explain how the very first cell came into existence.
After the Big Bang, the universe was sterile. SOMETHING happened to cause life to appear out of nothing.
So you're saying it was not sterile before the "Big Bang"

Humans are exactly like a virus or bacteria. We multiply and will gradually but surely use up all the resources on this planet.

Recently the Hubbell images of deep space were analyzed and were found to closely resemble the magnified images of the brain of rats. Think of how a thought occurs in a human brain. electronically there is a sudden explosion requiring coordination of all other associated cells. As the thought process is solved by either remembering or forgetting the thought dissolves and things settle to normal again.

I believe we're like the mites beneath a strand of grass in our lawns. All we see, all we study is the grass.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#106319 Nov 20, 2013
SBT wrote:
Brown has postulated for many years that when the drills go deep enough, they should hit the original remnant aquifer at 7-10 miles down, in the last several years they have. Another feature along the rifts is the parallel lines of magma "stretch marks". These lines are the seams made at the 6 hour ebb and flow of the lunar cycles acting on the crust as new material was pushed out by the lunar effect that warped the curst.
See Dr. Walt Browns video in the links on this site;
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/10/the-first...
More on the Aquifer network and Ox16/18 issue;
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/10/the-first...
The paper cited in the above mentions the ratio of Ox16/18 where scientists are perplexed why its off in early-earth polar samples, different due to how far water makes contact with terrain before being used by flora. More smoking gun evidence that the hydro system was exactly what the Bible records.
Sorry SBT, but I don't see anything in there that shows anything like the Galaxy class USS Enterprise-D is even possible, much less ever built. The reason being they AT LEAST need a fusion-powered engine to reach mimimum safe distance. Oh, plus fancy force-fields to survive all the asteroids, comets and meteorites that were apparently being shot out of the Earth at such speeds as to reach escape velocity.

When you HAVE that then your global flood MIGHT be able to work.

Take your time.

SBT
Level 2

Since: Jun 13

United States

#106320 Nov 20, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Didn't waste my time.(shrug) I appreciate you didn't bother dealing with my post either.
<quoted text>

Fundies can't count. Plus refuse to take other factors into account such as mountain building. At GLOBAL FLOOD erosion rates there would BE no mountains. Plus even better you then NEED evolution to happen to account for biological variation from a tiny population.
Of course that tiny population are now crispy-critters, but...
I appreciate that you took in the video. Studying where I did, there was a whole team of Geologists that worked in the mid-ocean rifts. Chatted w/some about their work. Learned a few things that were also integrated into courses. Brown has alot going for him in his hypothesis that resonated w/me. Why were the frozen mammoths peppered with meteorite shrapnel for one. I could give you more from the rift zones, alot more.

Have in above post to SZ

On turtles, they control their buoyancy and conserve air, totally diff than other reptiles so they would be deposited in upper strata, and they are.

On genetics all agree that things are corrupting not enhancing. Further supports my point, going back = pure gene data and an evo proof Cell/DNA mechanism. So by that if mutations are the rule we should be more broken down in Ayala's "Genetic load". Were are having those issues. The evo genetic experts are simply flooding the media with corn data to hide whats going on, they are going backward's and lose every time someone turns the microscopes up a few more power. Your side has a real problem on the DNA/Cell side and would be annihilated in a public debate anytime, anyday.

Consider "junk" DNA. Consider fold markers, the list goes on and grows nearly every quarter, then someone quickly conjures up a new evolutionary explanation. Then my side picks them apart and your side say's all we do is act like critics and don't do any real science. Partly true because your folks have many more spin masters to keep in check. Partly wrong because our fullltime people came out of research mainly too keep those boys honest, a real chore these days. Least Dean Kenyon, evo hero of the 70"s, was man enough to come clean. That's the truth. To be scientific, you must explain the non-life barrier and you can't.

At uniform erosion rates, all the mountains of earth would be worn flat in <20MY, love it when they get dated old. Why are the Himalayas sea floor? They show little sign of erosion, with that weather a few thousand years should have them rounded off. Check into it.

Above is just a reminder from my non-answer, answer and your ongoing dodging, like the Foraman Ovale "evolution" that you are stumped over, like the Proton Powered Axial Motor you are stumped over, like you had not a clue how stratigraphy is identified using fossil deposits but yet are an evolutionist! Armchair posting?

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#106321 Nov 20, 2013
Patriot wrote:
Albert Einstein was correct when he said that space and time are curved.
Albert Einstein and Science are WRONG when they say the "Fastest thing in the universe is the Speed of Light."
The Fastest thing in the Universe is the Speed of Thought.... roll that around in your brain....
Jesus said,:Which one of you by taking thought can change One Hair on your head?"
God and whatever machine he chooses to ride in, if he wants one, can Think himself and his optional machine from one side of the Universe in the blink of an eye, NOT Hundreds of Thousands of Light Years.
Look for him and/or the angels in the skies near you...
The Bible says, "Strange things will be seen in the skies in the End Times."
The speed of though was thought to be quite slow, in the realms of metres per second, hence reaction times to stimuli in of an average 0.7 of a second. Recently developed techniques show that individual neurones need only twenty to thirty milliseconds to mediate perception.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...

However still a snails pace compared to the speed of light that would travel the distance of a neurone in fractions of pico second

I believe what you are confusing with thought is actually imagination and of course there is no limit to what people can imagine.

The babble says lots of things, the babble says your god was the first trickster, first to commit genocide, the first mass murderer of children, your god condones slavery, rape and theft. So please to not be upset when some people are not willing to bow down to a god like that.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#106322 Nov 20, 2013
SBT wrote:
Above is just a reminder from my non-answer, answer and your ongoing dodging, like the Foraman Ovale "evolution" that you are stumped over, like the Proton Powered Axial Motor you are stumped over, like you had not a clue how stratigraphy is identified using fossil deposits but yet are an evolutionist! Armchair posting?
Yes, your reminder is nothing more than an example of projection.

Remember, you don't HAVE any good points. On the off chance you managed to come up with anything even SLIGHTLY plausible we can ignore it as it's already been undercut by some MAJOR booboos that you have not addressed. Ever. You can't point to some interesting geological quirk then claim that all science is wrong therefore Flood when Flood wipes out Noah and co in numerous horrible and quite final ways. This is then "solved" with Jewmagic.

Keep dodging, Subordinate.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#106323 Nov 20, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
You might note that the Ancient Egyptians believed in a pantheon of gods, Big Gods and little gods, and they Always believed in ONE Supreme Being.... a GOD of the gods..
You are right in that for a short time under one Pharaoh the worship of local little gods was banned, and he ONLY Allowed the worship of the ONE Supreme God___Amen Ra.
When he died the UNemployed Priests of the temples of the little gods got their way and re-opened the temples to the little gods and the Priests went back to work making money and goods.
Yes, Akhenaten. Aten was his substitute for Ra.

Amun-Ra was a composite god. Originally they were two separate gods. Ra, god of the sun and Amun, god of hidden power.
So attempting to portray the ancient Egyptian religion as monotheistic is a bit of a stretch.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#106324 Nov 20, 2013
Patriot wrote:
The Fastest thing in the Universe is the Speed of Thought.... roll that around in your brain....
Ah... No. Thought operates by electrical and chemical signaling. Still not faster then the speed of light.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#106325 Nov 20, 2013
davy wrote:
...and the colored girls sing, doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo...
<quoted text>
Laffin!!!!

Props!

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#106326 Nov 20, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>It was sad to hear of the passing of Lou Reed.
Indeed. He had one hell of an influence on music.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#106327 Nov 20, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Also argued that the nutty pharaoh belief was the source of the Hebrew one god belief and also spawned the son (sun) of god belief
Which is a bit strange considering that this would mean that the Hebrews adopted a pagan god rather than having on of their own.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#106328 Nov 20, 2013
SBT wrote:
Brown has postulated for many years that when the drills go deep enough, they should hit the original remnant aquifer at 7-10 miles down, in the last several years they have. Another feature along the rifts is the parallel lines of magma "stretch marks". These lines are the seams made at the 6 hour ebb and flow of the lunar cycles acting on the crust as new material was pushed out by the lunar effect that warped the curst.
See Dr. Walt Browns video in the links on this site;
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/10/the-first...
More on the Aquifer network and Ox16/18 issue;
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/10/the-first...
The paper cited in the above mentions the ratio of Ox16/18 where scientists are perplexed why its off in early-earth polar samples, different due to how far water makes contact with terrain before being used by flora. More smoking gun evidence that the hydro system was exactly what the Bible records.
Rather humorous that even Glenn Morton thinks Brown is a loony.

http://www.oldearth.org/walter_brown_hydropla...

SBT
Level 2

Since: Jun 13

United States

#106329 Nov 20, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, your reminder is nothing more than an example of projection.
Remember, you don't HAVE any good points. On the off chance you managed to come up with anything even SLIGHTLY plausible we can ignore it as it's already been undercut by some MAJOR booboos that you have not addressed. Ever. You can't point to some interesting geological quirk then claim that all science is wrong therefore Flood when Flood wipes out Noah and co in numerous horrible and quite final ways. This is then "solved" with Jewmagic.
Keep dodging, Subordinate.
So I get this lecture about answering in science but this conjecture doesn't apply to you, then you state I didn't answer when I did as above, claim I dodge when I don't, then avoid and deflect the real challenges. Origins is a puzzle, I think when we put enough pieces together the puzzle will be a picture of God, exonerated from all of mans failures to understand. I present puzzle pieces, you claim I cherrypick and am against "all science", wrong, I am against "science, falsely so called" where operational science and evo origins science split. I call out any origins belief that are biased and unsubstantiated. Why, because I was brainwashed in public school by given one-sided stories by people like Kenyon, Sager and other Darwinist's that got into the school text's and teachers heads. I saw people take wrong paths in life and self destructed, living or dead over these things. Evolutionism is wrong, easily controverted once other evidence is presented and like it or not that's true. In my experience being in this for 37 years the evidence only builds for this position. Like the MO-1, Moon orbital escape and magnetism and on and on, more daily, it all fits.

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#106330 Nov 20, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Which is a bit strange considering that this would mean that the Hebrews adopted a pagan god rather than having on of their own.
I don’t see any strangeness in it, the Hebrews were in Egypt about that time, probably as slaves. Akhenaten had el-Amarna built with slave labour as a centre of worship for his new god

It was supposedly soon after (within living memory) that the Hebrews quit Egypt for a long walk in the desert.

There are arguments that Moses was originally an Atenist priest, there are several book discussing the idea

There is even discussion that Moses was Akhenaten

The Tanakh (and hence the babble) claims that some Hebrews were polytheistic

Discounting these ideas of Moses/Akhenatan I think it is probable, highly possible that the Hebrews adapted what they had from recent experience, including recycling the idea of a one god.

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