Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#106045 Nov 16, 2013
MazHere wrote:
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Yes, and guess what? They all breathe as well.
The discovery of fossil whale bones in Michigan has been a source of some embarrassment for the conventional geologic story of the history of the Great Lakes region, and the notion that the area has remained above sea level for 290 million years since the end of the Pennsylvanian period, as whale fossils are obviously evidence that the land was submerged beneath the sea.
http://www.sentex.net/~tcc/michwls.html
Now you evos have got something like a deer 'poofing' into something like a whale in 4 million years, instead of 15 million years.
http://www.dna.gov.ar/INGLES/DIVULGAC/ARQUEO....
http://news.nationalgeographic.com.au/news/20...
All that adaptation, so non plausibly fast, despite majority deleterious mutations and negative epistasis of the few so called beneficial mutations that managed to cross the germ line and be selected for in a major sweep; and dated prior to its ancestors. LOL!. Great evidence!
Maz, how did you forget what was perhaps your worst defeat here?

Don't you remember the link that Kong found? The one where they carbon dated the whale bone, not a fossil, that had been found? It was a recent bone that had been placed in the loose sand of that quarry. I wish that I had book marked it.

Faked evidence from a creatard does not hurt the theory of evolution at all.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#106046 Nov 16, 2013
And Maz, I will only pay any attention to your fist link. I told you only one per post. You misunderstand almost every link that you make so I do not want to have to try to simultaneously correct multiple errors on your part.

Level 2

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#106047 Nov 16, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Accepting and denying research according to the Bible is tantamount to sticking your nose where the sun doesn't shine.
For what is sure to be the thousandth time, Homo Sapiens ARE apes, not WERE apes, and no one can or has stated as a certainty precisely where life came from - except your lot, who takes mythology as real and pounces to condemn thoughtful pondering as scientific statements and declarations.
Bear false witness, much? Yep - you surely do.
no we are not apes, well, I'm not. you....

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#106048 Nov 16, 2013
bohart wrote:
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no we are not apes, well, I'm not. you....
Repeating a lie does not make it true. You are an ape, whether you like it or not.

SBT
Level 2

Since: Jun 13

United States

#106049 Nov 16, 2013
MazHere wrote:
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Isn't it great that evos can't explain anything with certainty and yet demand a higher level of substatiation from a creationist that an evolutionist can't present themselves.
Immunity is yet another irreducibly complex system that must have created itself in expectation of an organism becoming infected by another organism yet to evolve, according to evos. Mmmm!
You know they have nothing when we get the "wrong links", "confused" and "off topic" deflection tactic. I only ask simple questions that even I can understand..Like a Stator and Rotor in a flagella proton powered axial motor, or 7 or...That each stator has a cavitation torque feedback circuit to a controller, a controller that can then feed the right amount of protons or sodium ions in digital steps to keep the little guy happy, simple evo stuff like that...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#106050 Nov 16, 2013
SBT wrote:
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You know they have nothing when we get the "wrong links", "confused" and "off topic" deflection tactic. I only ask simple questions that even I can understand..Like a Stator and Rotor in a flagella proton powered axial motor, or 7 or...That each stator has a cavitation torque feedback circuit to a controller, a controller that can then feed the right amount of protons or sodium ions in digital steps to keep the little guy happy, simple evo stuff like that...
You complete and utter moron. For a while Maz was posting links that went to nowhere. If you had checked her work you would have seen it for yourself. It is not possible to comment on someone's link if it is a nonworking one.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Australia

#106051 Nov 16, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
And Maz, I will only pay any attention to your fist link. I told you only one per post. You misunderstand almost every link that you make so I do not want to have to try to simultaneously correct multiple errors on your part.
Too bad your faith forces you to make such simplistic claims and yet you are too stupid to explain anything.

Evo Parrot!

The same goes for all your hubris about the myth of whale evolution.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Australia

#106052 Nov 16, 2013
bohart wrote:
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no we are not apes, well, I'm not. you....
Even evo scientists are too stupid to be able to define a human being, when a creo easily can. That is what faith in the obviously impossible must do to ones mind.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#106053 Nov 16, 2013
MazHere wrote:
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Too bad your faith forces you to make such simplistic claims and yet you are too stupid to explain anything.
Evo Parrot!
The same goes for all your hubris about the myth of whale evolution.
I am not a parrot, you nasty waffle flapper.

My beliefs are of course not faith based. They are based on claims that can be tested scientifically. I am simply not allowing you to make too many lies in a single post. The Gish Gallop is a creatard debating technique where many lies are said in a short period of time. Many lies can be said in a short time. It takes quite a while to show that all of those lies are wrong.

I am not playing your creatard games, but I will try to help you.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#106054 Nov 16, 2013
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and guess what? They all breathe as well.
The discovery of fossil whale bones in Michigan has been a source of some embarrassment for the conventional geologic story of the history of the Great Lakes region, and the notion that the area has remained above sea level for 290 million years since the end of the Pennsylvanian period, as whale fossils are obviously evidence that the land was submerged beneath the sea.
http://www.sentex.net/~tcc/michwls.html
Now you evos have got something like a deer 'poofing' into something like a whale in 4 million years, instead of 15 million years.
http://www.dna.gov.ar/INGLES/DIVULGAC/ARQUEO....
http://news.nationalgeographic.com.au/news/20...
All that adaptation, so non plausibly fast, despite majority deleterious mutations and negative epistasis of the few so called beneficial mutations that managed to cross the germ line and be selected for in a major sweep; and dated prior to its ancestors. LOL!. Great evidence!
It's more like 5 million, but are you seriously calling 5 million, or for that matter 4 million years a shoryt period of time?

In comparison humans have existed 1/20th of 4 million years and
1/25th of five, in that space of time the human skeleton has changed a good bit, from cromagnon or homo sapiens to
homo sapiens sapiens. In 4 million more years we may look like the greys.

SBT
Level 2

Since: Jun 13

United States

#106055 Nov 16, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Internal monologue spilling over.
And a promotional video for the Stolen Scriptures.
There are a disproportionate number of engineers on topic.
Haven't you got some project to sell in Vietman, or China?
What I am saying is that in the flagella motor and gearing in MO-1, God just spoke to us all, He is an engineer and just crossed biological line's and got into the fields of clear and fast mechanical and electrical engineering, and again, schooled everyone. Backing that logic into your biological world, that make's evolution the sneaky pirate who claims he did it all. So who do we believe? Can't ask Dean Kenyon, every evo's hero now turned. Who do you go to now, the microscopes are bigger and Kenyon is vindicated. Who is your new hero?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#106056 Nov 16, 2013
MazHere wrote:
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Even evo scientists are too stupid to be able to define a human being, when a creo easily can. That is what faith in the obviously impossible must do to ones mind.
Another obvious lie.

We can "define a human being". We can define what a chimpanzee is. We can define what a gray whale is. You do not like the fact that humans, chimps and gorillas are all apes.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Australia

#106057 Nov 16, 2013
SBT wrote:
<quoted text>
You know they have nothing when we get the "wrong links", "confused" and "off topic" deflection tactic. I only ask simple questions that even I can understand..Like a Stator and Rotor in a flagella proton powered axial motor, or 7 or...That each stator has a cavitation torque feedback circuit to a controller, a controller that can then feed the right amount of protons or sodium ions in digital steps to keep the little guy happy, simple evo stuff like that...
Evo ignorance, reasonings based on strolls down the garden path to evasion and the absurdum about majority rule, are all that evos have left. Evos can't understand anything simple let alone complicated.

A living organism is a complex factory of reproduction and entropy. Evolutionists base their claims on faith that is more non plausible than belief in a non corporeal alien form of life, God. But they have no trouble believing in dark energy and multiple dimensions. Go figure!

I am interested to hear if Subby, after all his wing flapping about whales, can even accept that every biology book and depiction of whale evolution in the world, is a misrepresentation. None state the glossy pictures are actually supposed decendants of the line whose dating makes the entire myth ridiculous. OR Will we see yet another evo that has opened his big hero mouth and then go running for the hills when exposed.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#106058 Nov 16, 2013
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
Even evo scientists are too stupid to be able to define a human being, when a creo easily can. That is what faith in the obviously impossible must do to ones mind.
Same as the chimp we are ...hominini you can look that one up if you like.

SBT
Level 2

Since: Jun 13

United States

#106059 Nov 16, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Your personal belief, no matter how sincere is not a basis to refute science.
Discovering that high risk occupations can lead to death faster than posting on Topix is also not a basis to preclude the entire body of scientific research, evidence and insight.
It is understandable that your personal experiences and education have lead you to look for answers, but you are using your gut and not your intellect to draw conclusions.
He asked a why "believe" question, I answered it right out of my gut. You seem to be suggesting my faith in God blurs my understanding of science, wrong. I found that the media and public school system were in lock step preventing a pile of controverting fact's from getting to my ears and eyes. I had been brainwashed, simple as that.

When I was young there was still a large group that held that Operation Science and Origin Science were independent fields. Now that they are blurred whats happened? People that find or support anything contrary to the dogma are "expelled". Wow, mixing those did us well. Example - the research controverting 'Dark Matter' had to come out of Peru and little items like MO-1 from Japan. I don't need an evo filter between me and truth, they tried that game on me in college geo class. Their world unraveled.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Australia

#106060 Nov 16, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Another obvious lie.
We can "define a human being". We can define what a chimpanzee is. We can define what a gray whale is. You do not like the fact that humans, chimps and gorillas are all apes.
Ok but first lets set the scene. You have not presented any research that demonstrates an organism can adapt without limit. You challenged me on whales, flopped out and now want a definition of 'human being'.

Here is it...

A human being is a placental mammal that is also a furless obligate biped that is genetically capable of sophisticated language, higher reasoning ability and abstract thought as well as expressing the Neu5Ac molecule. No other organism or ape fits that definition.

How about you give us a demo of how an evo defines a human? Will your reply be better than "'DER', let's talk about something else"!

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#106061 Nov 16, 2013
MazHere wrote:
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Evo ignorance, reasonings based on strolls down the garden path to evasion and the absurdum about majority rule, are all that evos have left. Evos can't understand anything simple let alone complicated.
A living organism is a complex factory of reproduction and entropy. Evolutionists base their claims on faith that is more non plausible than belief in a non corporeal alien form of life, God. But they have no trouble believing in dark energy and multiple dimensions. Go figure!
I am interested to hear if Subby, after all his wing flapping about whales, can even accept that every biology book and depiction of whale evolution in the world, is a misrepresentation. None state the glossy pictures are actually supposed decendants of the line whose dating makes the entire myth ridiculous. OR Will we see yet another evo that has opened his big hero mouth and then go running for the hills when exposed.
You my self licking ice cream cone head friend,
are....
At the apex of hypocrisy.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Australia

#106062 Nov 16, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Same as the chimp we are ...hominini you can look that one up if you like.
Are you still sucking on your ice cream, you stupid and sad excuse for an evolutionist? Only idiot evotards have a problem defining a human being.

A confirmation of a hypothesis can be generated on any basis from abiogenesis to the fall of Rome, and is testable and falsifiable, regardless of your ignorance and ability to be an evo parrot puppet.

Adaption is not what results in common ancestors between deers and whales. Adaptation gives you fitter deers and whales.

Creation is true if the genome is designed to maintain organisms within their familial group/kind. The fact that TOE is challenged by the validation of such a prediction is an added plus.

For now I am the one that has presented research that speaks to restrictions and limits to the genomes inability to adapt. Evos have presented their opinion and every side wind they can think of, and therefore have no more credibility than a squarking parrot that can repeat "they said so".

There is evidence in nature of the genomes limits to adaptability.

In gradually deteriorating environments, survival at lethal stress may be procured by prior adaptation to sublethal stress through genetic correlation. Neither the standing genetic variation of small populations nor the mutation supply of large populations, however, may be sufficient to provide evolutionary rescue for most populations.

http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/conten ...

There is empirical evidence that the genome has limits to its use of even beneficial mutations in a declining fitness landscape.

Genome deterioration: loss of repeated sequences and accumulation of junk DNA.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12188042

Genetic code of human race is deteriorating due to environmental factors

http://www.naturalnews.com/021220_genetic_mod ...

Evidence for Widespread Degradation of Gene Control Regions in Hominid Genomes

http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/1 ...

Diminishing Returns Epistasis Among Beneficial Mutations Decelerates Adaptation

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11 ...

Negative Epistasis Between Beneficial Mutations in an Evolving Bacterial Population

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11 ...

All data demonstrates an organism has limits to it ability to adapt. Breeders have known it for centuries but scientists don't let a little thing like direct observational evidence get in the way of a great story.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#106063 Nov 16, 2013
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
Evo ignorance, reasonings based on strolls down the garden path to evasion and the absurdum about majority rule, are all that evos have left. Evos can't understand anything simple let alone complicated.
A living organism is a complex factory of reproduction and entropy. Evolutionists base their claims on faith that is more non plausible than belief in a non corporeal alien form of life, God. But they have no trouble believing in dark energy and multiple dimensions. Go figure!
I am interested to hear if Subby, after all his wing flapping about whales, can even accept that every biology book and depiction of whale evolution in the world, is a misrepresentation. None state the glossy pictures are actually supposed decendants of the line whose dating makes the entire myth ridiculous. OR Will we see yet another evo that has opened his big hero mouth and then go running for the hills when exposed.
There goes Maz stinking up the place with her flapping blue waffle again.

Let's here the details of how whale evolution is wrong.

SBT
Level 2

Since: Jun 13

United States

#106064 Nov 16, 2013
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
Evo ignorance, reasonings based on strolls down the garden path to evasion and the absurdum about majority rule, are all that evos have left. Evos can't understand anything simple let alone complicated.
A living organism is a complex factory of reproduction and entropy. Evolutionists base their claims on faith that is more non plausible than belief in a non corporeal alien form of life, God. But they have no trouble believing in dark energy and multiple dimensions. Go figure!
I am interested to hear if Subby, after all his wing flapping about whales, can even accept that every biology book and depiction of whale evolution in the world, is a misrepresentation. None state the glossy pictures are actually supposed decendants of the line whose dating makes the entire myth ridiculous. OR Will we see yet another evo that has opened his big hero mouth and then go running for the hills when exposed.
I am sure he is looking this up in talkorigins right now..
Oh my. Wanna see my research on Killer Whales? below -

http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/the-compl...

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