Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 201841 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#105651 Nov 11, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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You are a silly little man!
Your Francophobic behavior doesn't change a thing in the world, and in case you haven't noticed, the locals aren't exactly bonding with you in some kind of Anglo-Saxon/Germanic tradition.
All you've done is reinforce everyone's belief that God, if there was one, isn't on your side, and since nobody ELSE is, they're inclined to gang up on you. You tend to play that kind of martyr but you're such an ugly little troll, it's not like anyone will be sympathetic either.
Anyway, I'm mostly Irish with a touch if just about anything else American. If I'm part French, so be it! I spent a good deal of time along the Rivera and found it a very pleasant place.
No matter the accolades, praises and the oppositions, truth always prevails. Yes or no? I don't care where you came from. I fight and stand for the truth.

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#105652 Nov 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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No, academic evidence is academic evidence and I choose not to waste any more of my time on your stupidity over the subject of language
You are indeed the stupid. If you can not answer the question, then your claims are wrong. Simple. English started in England, period.

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#105653 Nov 12, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Yes, it's from the 16th century Italian word "independente."
What is your point - the U.S. Declaration of Independence belongs to Italy?
" Independente ", and " independence ", does the two words sounds the same in your ears?
Why are you guys not using the former instead of the latter?
Just accept the fact, English belongs to England.

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#105654 Nov 12, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Yes, it's from the 16th century Italian word "independente."
What is your point - the U.S. Declaration of Independence belongs to Italy?
And again, are English, Italian, and other languages the same, even though linguistically, they came from one another or the same source?

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#105655 Nov 12, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Too bad. This language thing is wicked awesome for sure. Yall, or is it yawl been up the crick and down the holler on this.
I was hoping that we might be able to examine the English language in the United States. Since it is the same language. Perhaps take off our sombreros and set down over some tortillas and whoop this puppy. Roundup this whole language thing in a big ole word rodeo before we all end up in the calaboose. Whadda ya say buckaroos?
Why are some of your folks here against the truth that, English started in England?

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#105656 Nov 12, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Why does origination convey ownership of a language?
Repetition!
It was first spoken there before any other. Ok?

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#105657 Nov 12, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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So? Why does that imply ownership?
First and foremost, unlike some others here, do you accept that?
Back to your question. Despite the death of Faraday, his name is still ringing on electricity, has the owner.

“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

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Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#105658 Nov 12, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Why are some of your folks here against the truth that, English started in England?
Honestly Charles, I am no expert in languages or their origins. I suppose it depends on the extent you go back in history and where you draw the line between existing and pre-existing languages. I could be persuaded that it started in England given the proper evidence and constraints, but I couldn't say that owned it in the sense of property.

Take care Charles. I am off to play cards with Morpheus.

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#105659 Nov 12, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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So? Why does it starting in Europe mean there is a 'baton' of ownership?
My whole point is that you are making claims of ownership of a language, which I see as being community property and not *owned* by anyone. It is irrelevant where it started or who uses it. It is still not *owned* by anyone.
Ownership implies the power to dictate use and *nobody* has that power concerning any natural language.
That was why i said, ownership by origination. They started it, and they spread it. After that spread they can not reclaim it back again. Ok?
My point is that, other nation that takes it as first language must recognise where it started from, like France.

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#105660 Nov 12, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Not sure that Erectus knuckle walked all the time, but there certainly did in some situations. However Neanderthal were completely bipedal
I recently spent a few days at la roque st christophe examining the grave and bones of a 55 thousand year old Neanderthal site, no sign of the stooped posture required for knuckle walking.
That Maz eh? Go figure.
No, Erectus did not knuckle walk. Their skeletons were just as upright as ours.

Check out the closely related Ergaster, Turkana boy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkana_Boy

Its about 1.5 million years old - a million years before the earliest archaic Sapiens let alone Neanderthal and modern Sapiens.

Knuckle walking would have disappeared quite early in the Australopithecene lineage, millions of years ago.

Maz is just showing us in her special way that she is not qualified to comment on any of this. Her specialty is merely quote mining and getting it wrong.

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#105661 Nov 12, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Charles, I think you are trying to use "ownership" too broadly beyond the scope of what it means. As you say, languages, at least after the original development, arise from pre-existing languages and over time even these continue to diverge to some degree.
American English is not exactly the same language as the one spoken in the UK. There have been strong influences from African, French, German, Spanish and Native American languages that show up. Even today with such a large country there are regional differences and even different accents.
What I would say is that American English is derived largely from the parent language of British English which itself arose from a combination of influences and languages of Western Europe. If you want to claim the English own the English language, you can, but ownership implies a number of conditions that do not occur with regards to a language and a better term seems more applicable.
Many thanks, Dan.
But just like French, and some other languages, the original home is well referrenced unlike English language.
And again, you said, English sprang up from other European languages, but those languages are not the same as English.

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#105662 Nov 12, 2013
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Sorry, you have 1 bone to 3 bone, no 2 bone ear transition animals. and their is a pile of conflict in the lit over these hopefuls. The simplistic approach of saying it and having is a big diff. Take a chihuahua and great dane dog forms, one may choose among skeletons, line them up and claim evolution was at work, but no, a dog is a dog and the pure genetic information in the primal created dog kind,(although God was not limited to create one), allowed broad variation and adaptation, but that's not evolution. The DNA and concordant operable work together bones and organs are not so simplistically evolved, they require an end-game plan designed by the Almighty through DNA information and must be reconciled.
We know tens of thousands of creatures have gone extinct, many in recent years. A Fossil deposit may hold a variety of kinds dieing together in a catastrophic event but are found to be utterly unrelated to each other in taxonomy in the beds. When a big picture is taken in a fossil bed evolution is nowhere to be found, but evo claims support from the fossil record as paleontologists line up those that seem similar in homology from different sites, but they are mistaken. The quote I referenced mentions that actual appearance and functions are very difficult to determine from bones. With so many creatures now extinct and no new one's forming, things are proved to be running down, not up. This is what the bible teaches, creation is over.
In Oregon for instance, one localized deposit contains mice, opossums and lemurs, all buried at the same time. As these species represent our common decent ancestors and no between kinds are found, I call this Intermediates Lost, because there never were any!
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/the-quest...
pelycosaur to therapsid to early mammal shows the transition very plainly.

its true that a fossil chihuahua and a great dane might be mistaken for different species. But so what? Does saying that some species have huge morphological variation (especially when human breeding has been at play), mean that all examples of change, especially a continuum from say Australopithecis -> Georgicus _> erectus -> heidlebugensis -> sapiens is invalid?

Of course not. Don't be silly. There are NO sapiens fossils at the time of Australopithecus (various). So if you are saying the normal morphology of hominids 3 million years ago was very different but they are "really the same species" then who am I to argue with your chosen classification patterns? You simply have to look at the fossils and know their dating to see the obvious continuum of change over the period.

The underlying reality is that there was a change over time, consistent with the predictions of evolution.

The truth you always avoid is that there are NO verified fossils of any creature that violates the nested hierarchy of evolution. No creature is found before its necessary evolutionary antecedents could have existed. The rabbit in the Cambrian, again.

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#105663 Nov 12, 2013
JM_Brazil wrote:
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Why would you narrow the criteria down to mainland Europe only? That's like asking to name one Canadian provence where French is the official language that doesn't begin with the letter Q.
Because i know that, English is not officially spoken in any of the mainland European countries.

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#105664 Nov 12, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Done the language thing with chuck before, it’s like banging your head against a wall, you show him facts and examples and evidence and he returns mythology and personal belief.
However - to the British/US differences, you have no idea how wrong you get “aluminium”
Dan is more approachable and knowledgeable than you. Losers always cry. Lol

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#105665 Nov 12, 2013
JM_Brazil wrote:
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It "belongs" to England? As in they "own" it? As in they could simply tell the US to stop using their language? Like, "I'm taking my ball and going home"?
Where did you come up with this notion?
No. I never said that. My position is that, English like France, should an international board that regulates the use of the language, to enhance linguistic excellence.

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#105666 Nov 12, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I grew up in the Missouri Ozarks. You are just getting started on the differences.
Charles recognizes the differences in language, but I think he has a misunderstanding of "ownership" and how it is applied. Or in the case of language, not applied.
Lol

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#105667 Nov 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>and Sioux and Ojibwe and Apache and N0avajo and Hopi belong to the US! what fun!
Not a recognised language in the US unlike the English language. More of your cry.

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#105668 Nov 12, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Aluminium was just and example, I’ve travelled a lot of the US and I though that the UK had a problem with dialect. Actually it seems to be not so much dialect but the pronunciation that differs across the US
Charlie just has myriad misunderstandings,“ownership” of a language is just one of them. Our first argument was when he blamed bad parenting for cot death. At that time my friends had recently lost a child in that way and he accused them of murder. Even thought he eventually apologised though me to my friends the anguish his ignorance caused is something he can never be forgiven for.
Humans hardly forgives. But as a child of God, i have apologised from my heart, whether you accept it or not, is not my concern, my concern is to God.

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#105669 Nov 12, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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He did, and from that moment I knew exactly the sort of sick personality he is
Likewise.

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#105670 Nov 12, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>"Independent "? No.
Wrong!
So why do we have several different languages in the earth?

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