Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Full Story

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#105522 Nov 10, 2013
By the way Maz, these arguments of yours have been debunked in the past. Why did you repost them without the links?

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Australia

#105523 Nov 10, 2013
Here you go you evotards. These links should work.

Can any of these philosophers here refute Sanfords work on genetic entropy, whom was dismissed on the back of evos flawed assumptions, and is now being validated?

“Haldane (1927) showed that an organism that suffers regular mutations with fixed deleterious effects evolves toward a stable mutation–selection balance. Wright and Dobzhansky (1946) introduced the study of nonfixed fitnesses and considered the effects of frequency-dependent fitness values, while Kimura and Ohta (1970) studied advantageous mutations (inversions) that gradually lose their fitness advantage. Here I present results for the population genetics of positive mutations that with time become truly deleterious.”

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3 ...

Genetic code of human race is deteriorating due to environmental factors

http://www.naturalnews.com/021220_genetic_mod ...

These data support models in which negative epistasis contributes to declining rates of adaptation over time.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11 ...

We found that epistatic interactions between beneficial mutations were all antagonistic—the effects of the double mutations were less than the sums of the effects of their component single mutations. We found a number of cases of decompensatory interactions, an extreme form of antagonistic epistasis in which the second mutation is actually deleterious in the presence of the first. In the vast majority of cases, recombination uniting two beneficial mutations into the same genome would not be favored by selection, as the recombinant could not outcompete its constituent single mutations.

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Ado ...

Simulations show that for most study designs and settings, it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true. Moreover, for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias. In this essay, I discuss the implications of these problems for the conduct and interpretation of research.

http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/...

In other words, random detrimental mutations build up in the gene pools of living things with a low reproductive rate far far faster than natural selection can get rid of them. This generally accepted fact of modern science strongly implies, therefore, that we have devolved, not evolved, from an originally superior state, as a species or collective gene pool, compared to our current rapidly degenerating condition

http://www.educatetruth.com/featured/dr-john -...

Life is devolving as per a documented account. Sanford is a well credentialed and published researcher. Evolutionary scientists can only offer complicated hypothesis as to why all data supports a creationist pardigm and gives evolutionists headaches.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Australia

#105524 Nov 10, 2013
No the links still are not working. I'll find them again and repost links when I get back. Or you could be real clever and look them up yourself.

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Australia

#105525 Nov 10, 2013
Here you go Subby. Hopefully these links work this time.

Simulations show that for most study designs and settings, it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true. Moreover, for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias. In this essay, I discuss the implications of these problems for the conduct and interpretation of research.

http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/...

Some genetic phenomena originate as mutations that are initially advantageous but decline in fitness until they become distinctly deleterious. Here I give the condition for a mutation–selection balance to form and describe some of the properties of the resulting equilibrium population. A characterization is also given of the fixation probabilities for such mutations.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3...

As a result, the human race is genetically mutating, according to Japanese geneticist Yusaku Nakabeppu of Kyushu University and his team, who released their findings Monday in the trade journal Genome Research.

http://www.naturalnews.com/021220_genetic_mod...

These data support models in which negative epistasis contributes to declining rates of adaptation over time.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11...

In other words, random detrimental mutations build up in the gene pools of living things with a low reproductive rate far far faster than natural selection can get rid of them. This generally accepted fact of modern science strongly implies, therefore, that we have devolved, not evolved, from an originally superior state, as a species or collective gene pool, compared to our current rapidly degenerating condition

http://www.educatetruth.com/featured/dr-john-...

Life is devolving as per a documented account. Sanford is a well credentialed and published researcher. Evolutionary scientists can only offer complicated hypothesis as to why all data supports a creationist pardigm and gives evolutionists headaches.

“It Is What It Is”

Level 2

Since: Jul 13

Alberta, Canada

#105526 Nov 10, 2013
Try these links then;

“Haldane (1927) showed that an organism that suffers regular mutations with fixed deleterious effects evolves toward a stable mutation–selection balance.
http://www.genetics.org/content/191/4/1393.fu...

Genetic code of human race is deteriorating due to environmental factors
http://www.naturalnews.com/021220_genetic_mod... #

These data support models in which negative epistasis contributes to declining rates of adaptation over time.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21636772

"Moreover, for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...

We found that epistatic interactions between beneficial mutations were all antagonistic—the effects of the double mutations were less than the sums of the effects of their component single mutations.
http://www.bio.fsu.edu/~drokyta/pdf/Rokyta_Pl...

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Australia

#105527 Nov 10, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
Try these links then;
“Haldane (1927) showed that an organism that suffers regular mutations with fixed deleterious effects evolves toward a stable mutation–selection balance.
http://www.genetics.org/content/191/4/1393.fu...
Genetic code of human race is deteriorating due to environmental factors
http://www.naturalnews.com/021220_genetic_mod... #
These data support models in which negative epistasis contributes to declining rates of adaptation over time.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21636772
"Moreover, for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...
We found that epistatic interactions between beneficial mutations were all antagonistic—the effects of the double mutations were less than the sums of the effects of their component single mutations.
http://www.bio.fsu.edu/~drokyta/pdf/Rokyta_Pl...
Thanks heaps DarkBlue.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#105528 Nov 10, 2013
So Maz, which one do you want to debate first? You know that you are wrong of course. I don't have too much to do right now so I should be able to give it some attention.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#105529 Nov 10, 2013
MazHere wrote:
Here you go Subby. Hopefully these links work this time.
Simulations show that for most study designs and settings, it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true. Moreover, for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias. In this essay, I discuss the implications of these problems for the conduct and interpretation of research.
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/...
Some genetic phenomena originate as mutations that are initially advantageous but decline in fitness until they become distinctly deleterious. Here I give the condition for a mutation–selection balance to form and describe some of the properties of the resulting equilibrium population. A characterization is also given of the fixation probabilities for such mutations.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3...
As a result, the human race is genetically mutating, according to Japanese geneticist Yusaku Nakabeppu of Kyushu University and his team, who released their findings Monday in the trade journal Genome Research.
http://www.naturalnews.com/021220_genetic_mod...
These data support models in which negative epistasis contributes to declining rates of adaptation over time.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11...
In other words, random detrimental mutations build up in the gene pools of living things with a low reproductive rate far far faster than natural selection can get rid of them. This generally accepted fact of modern science strongly implies, therefore, that we have devolved, not evolved, from an originally superior state, as a species or collective gene pool, compared to our current rapidly degenerating condition
http://www.educatetruth.com/featured/dr-john-...
Life is devolving as per a documented account. Sanford is a well credentialed and published researcher. Evolutionary scientists can only offer complicated hypothesis as to why all data supports a creationist pardigm and gives evolutionists headaches.
Garbage, most of this has nothing to do with what you are saying.
But then you are good at that...huh?

“It Is What It Is”

Level 2

Since: Jul 13

Alberta, Canada

#105530 Nov 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Garbage, most of this has nothing to do with what you are saying.
But then you are good at that...huh?
At least you took the time to read the links before coming to your conclusion. But wait! The links did not work in that post. So you show you don't read links, you just give opinions.

You know what the say about opinions - they are like @ssholes, everybody has one and they all stink.

“HATRED EATS THE SOUL OF”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

THE HATER -- NOT THE HATED

#105531 Nov 10, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
So Maz, which one do you want to debate first? You know that you are wrong of course. I don't have too much to do right now so I should be able to give it some attention.
You must gave scared Maz off with all your expertize in all fields of science.(note the sarcasm) lol

“HATRED EATS THE SOUL OF”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

THE HATER -- NOT THE HATED

#105532 Nov 10, 2013
MazHere wrote:
Here you go Subby. Hopefully these links work this time.
Simulations show that for most study designs and settings, it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true. Moreover, for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias. In this essay, I discuss the implications of these problems for the conduct and interpretation of research.
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/...
Some genetic phenomena originate as mutations that are initially advantageous but decline in fitness until they become distinctly deleterious. Here I give the condition for a mutation–selection balance to form and describe some of the properties of the resulting equilibrium population. A characterization is also given of the fixation probabilities for such mutations.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3...
As a result, the human race is genetically mutating, according to Japanese geneticist Yusaku Nakabeppu of Kyushu University and his team, who released their findings Monday in the trade journal Genome Research.
http://www.naturalnews.com/021220_genetic_mod...
These data support models in which negative epistasis contributes to declining rates of adaptation over time.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11...
In other words, random detrimental mutations build up in the gene pools of living things with a low reproductive rate far far faster than natural selection can get rid of them. This generally accepted fact of modern science strongly implies, therefore, that we have devolved, not evolved, from an originally superior state, as a species or collective gene pool, compared to our current rapidly degenerating condition
http://www.educatetruth.com/featured/dr-john-...
Life is devolving as per a documented account. Sanford is a well credentialed and published researcher. Evolutionary scientists can only offer complicated hypothesis as to why all data supports a creationist pardigm and gives evolutionists headaches.
Maz not saying you are an idiot but at least learn to post links that work. Most all of your links did not work.

“HATRED EATS THE SOUL OF”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

THE HATER -- NOT THE HATED

#105533 Nov 10, 2013
MazHere wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks heaps DarkBlue.
Oops I spoke too soon. Didn't know you had a sidekick. lol

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#105534 Nov 10, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
<quoted text>
At least you took the time to read the links before coming to your conclusion. But wait! The links did not work in that post. So you show you don't read links, you just give opinions.
You know what the say about opinions - they are like @ssholes, everybody has one and they all stink.
Actually read them after a working link was posted .

The first one is...

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False.

That would tend to hurt or damage the credibility of anymore links but we will go on anyway.

The next one isn't about humans, it doesn't even fit the description..

Asexuals, Polyploids, Evolutionary Opportunists.

The next one is a magazine article opinion piece, hardly qualify as science though it is sciency.

Genetic code of human race is deteriorating due to environmental factors

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/021220_genetic_mod...

Last the link is to an religious fundy opinion piece.
So bad went to worse. So you have one scientific paper that is unrelated to what she is saying. What do you want? A Pulitzer Prize for irrelevancy?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#105535 Nov 10, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
You must gave scared Maz off with all your expertize in all fields of science.(note the sarcasm) lol
HeaDS pop right out the sock drawer...lol

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#105536 Nov 10, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
You must gave scared Maz off with all your expertize in all fields of science.(note the sarcasm) lol
Actually it is possible. She is infamous for misunderstanding scientific articles. After she has her nose rubbed in that fact often enough she slinks away without ever admitting that she was wrong.
davy

Albuquerque, NM

#105537 Nov 10, 2013
Do you have any links to websites documenting the science of the talking snake?
MazHere wrote:
Here you go you evotards. These links should work.
Can any of these philosophers here refute Sanfords work on genetic entropy, whom was dismissed on the back of evos flawed assumptions, and is now being validated?
“Haldane (1927) showed that an organism that suffers regular mutations with fixed deleterious effects evolves toward a stable mutation–selection balance. Wright and Dobzhansky (1946) introduced the study of nonfixed fitnesses and considered the effects of frequency-dependent fitness values, while Kimura and Ohta (1970) studied advantageous mutations (inversions) that gradually lose their fitness advantage. Here I present results for the population genetics of positive mutations that with time become truly deleterious.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3 ...
Genetic code of human race is deteriorating due to environmental factors
http://www.naturalnews.com/021220_genetic_mod ...
These data support models in which negative epistasis contributes to declining rates of adaptation over time.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11 ...
We found that epistatic interactions between beneficial mutations were all antagonistic—the effects of the double mutations were less than the sums of the effects of their component single mutations. We found a number of cases of decompensatory interactions, an extreme form of antagonistic epistasis in which the second mutation is actually deleterious in the presence of the first. In the vast majority of cases, recombination uniting two beneficial mutations into the same genome would not be favored by selection, as the recombinant could not outcompete its constituent single mutations.
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Ado ...
Simulations show that for most study designs and settings, it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true. Moreover, for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias. In this essay, I discuss the implications of these problems for the conduct and interpretation of research.
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/...
In other words, random detrimental mutations build up in the gene pools of living things with a low reproductive rate far far faster than natural selection can get rid of them. This generally accepted fact of modern science strongly implies, therefore, that we have devolved, not evolved, from an originally superior state, as a species or collective gene pool, compared to our current rapidly degenerating condition
http://www.educatetruth.com/featured/dr-john -...
Life is devolving as per a documented account. Sanford is a well credentialed and published researcher. Evolutionary scientists can only offer complicated hypothesis as to why all data supports a creationist pardigm and gives evolutionists headaches.

“The strength of science is”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

founded in facts.

#105538 Nov 10, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually it is possible. She is infamous for misunderstanding scientific articles. After she has her nose rubbed in that fact often enough she slinks away without ever admitting that she was wrong.
That sounds familiar too. Except those I am thinking of come back too soon.

“Seashells by the seashore”

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Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#105539 Nov 10, 2013
davy wrote:
Do you have any links to websites documenting the science of the talking snake?
<quoted text>
I'm picturing the snake talking now, that is funny ; ) I always wondered, never mind, I can't say it here.
davy

Albuquerque, NM

#105540 Nov 10, 2013
My wife likes it when I make my snake talk to her.
_Lizz_ wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm picturing the snake talking now, that is funny ; ) I always wondered, never mind, I can't say it here.

“Seashells by the seashore”

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#105541 Nov 10, 2013
davy wrote:
My wife likes it when I make my snake talk to her.
<quoted text>
ha ha ha lol . Well, she is one lucky that u2 can talk.

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