Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Perhaps youcould provide some evidence that the pathway from non life to life is possible, and it does violate the known law of biogenesis. That life comes only from existing life. The scientific method must be observable, neverhas been , repeatable, never, and testable, never again.Hmm? seems as though all the science is against your belief.
I have no "belief" regarding aboigenesis. Like any other live scientific investigation, it is premature to claim its impossible until all avenues have been tried OR its demonstrated that some definitive physical law would have to be broken in order to achieve it. At the same time it would be premature to claim definitively that natural aboigenesis happened until and unless a plaudible natural pathway can be demonstrated.

But you are the one making the belief based claim here. You are saying its "impossible" until such time its demonstrated which you presume will be never. That is not how science nor logic works.

I am making no such definitive claim. I don't pretend to KNOW it happened, I merely say its possible. And as yet, you have not proven otherwise.

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Plaudible is plausible typo

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Damn, how you been drinking the Sucking bone water?
" you said, generation of living beings that start as inert systems by means of inorganic autocatalytic processes"
Also known as:
the process through which biological life arises from inorganic matter, spontaneous origination . Abiogenesis is a theory that attempts to explain the origin of life through random natural processes.
I agree with you on one thing,...the whole damned idea is an obsolete concept. Only the cultists hang on to it.
Life arise from organic matter, no modern hypothesis says something different. Organic matter is long chains of covalently bonded carbon atoms. The Earth pumps these type molecules out from the deep sea vents. These also fall out the sky. So your analogy is wrong from the start, perhaps you mean abiogenesis is a process that life arises from inanimate matter. But your unwillingness to think this is possible , does not negate the possibility it did.

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But you must admit that it and the moon can stand still without any earthly repercussions. How could Joshua know what time it was? Did he have a Rolex wrist hourglass?
Technology goes with each age, true or false? God can do anything.

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There you go, blaming another godbot for your stupidity
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Yes, what about it? Real objects are not the same as imaginary lines.
No body is above learning. None. Now if you are going by that concepts, i will simply tell you that, you are wrong, because science use them in real, so that makes them real, or are you saying science is lying?

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Technology goes with each age, true or false? God can do anything.
except, apparently, provide even a shred of evidence for his existence...

Not one single proven case of any god doing anything supernatural, is there, Chip?

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ChristineM wrote:
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There you go, blaming another godbot for your stupidity
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Yes, what about it? Real objects are not the same as imaginary lines.
You are not above learning either. Are you now saying, science is lying? Something imagined can also be reality.

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ChristineM wrote:
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There you go, blaming another godbot for your stupidity
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Yes, what about it? Real objects are not the same as imaginary lines.
So, from your fatigued premises, science is imaginary. Good.

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ChristineM wrote:
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There you go, blaming another godbot for your stupidity
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Yes, what about it? Real objects are not the same as imaginary lines.
You are the stupid. So, science is imaginary?

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ChristineM wrote:
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There you go, blaming another godbot for your stupidity
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Yes, what about it? Real objects are not the same as imaginary lines.
So, science is imaginary?

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<quoted text>except, apparently, provide even a shred of evidence for his existence...
Not one single proven case of any god doing anything supernatural, is there, Chip?
Why is science unable to stop death, Chip?

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You are not above learning either. Are you now saying, science is lying? Something imagined can also be reality.
But are you up to learning, to seeing things differently?.

We all know there are not real longitude lines painted on the ground, and we all know any grid system of locating points on earth could be used.

You and Christine are not arguing about anything except the definition of real. Well, real means actually existing as a fact. In science that generally means having a physical presence of it own. Longitude lines do not have this, they are merely inferred by measurement of real quantities which like the position of the sun in the sky at a given moment in time. The position and the time are real facts, but longitude is an inferred result. If we had a completely different grid system the position of the sun and the moment in time would be the same but the result would give a different set of numbers on the imaginary grid.

Longitude is not real and existing independent of human minds, but the position of the sun and the time are.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Why is science unable to stop death, Chip?
Science being unable to stop death is not evidence for God.

You have no evidence for God, so you are merely demanding that we accept God because we are not Gods ourselves. Of course we arent. That still does not mean there is one.

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But are you up to learning, to seeing things differently?.
We all know there are not real longitude lines painted on the ground, and we all know any grid system of locating points on earth could be used.
You and Christine are not arguing about anything except the definition of real. Well, real means actually existing as a fact. In science that generally means having a physical presence of it own. Longitude lines do not have this, they are merely inferred by measurement of real quantities which like the position of the sun in the sky at a given moment in time. The position and the time are real facts, but longitude is an inferred result. If we had a completely different grid system the position of the sun and the moment in time would be the same but the result would give a different set of numbers on the imaginary grid.
Longitude is not real and existing independent of human minds, but the position of the sun and the time are.
It is real, because will have the gifts of God, to science it is imaginary, but to reality, it is invisible.

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Science being unable to stop death is not evidence for God.
You have no evidence for God, so you are merely demanding that we accept God because we are not Gods ourselves. Of course we arent. That still does not mean there is one.
I am indirectly telling you that, science is limited. It does not knows everything. In reality, no body wants to die?

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But are you up to learning, to seeing things differently?.
We all know there are not real longitude lines painted on the ground, and we all know any grid system of locating points on earth could be used.
You and Christine are not arguing about anything except the definition of real. Well, real means actually existing as a fact. In science that generally means having a physical presence of it own. Longitude lines do not have this, they are merely inferred by measurement of real quantities which like the position of the sun in the sky at a given moment in time. The position and the time are real facts, but longitude is an inferred result. If we had a completely different grid system the position of the sun and the moment in time would be the same but the result would give a different set of numbers on the imaginary grid.
Longitude is not real and existing independent of human minds, but the position of the sun and the time are.
We humans, all have these God given talents, why i said God, are that, other animals can not do that, except humans.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> It is real, because will have the gifts of God, to science it is imaginary, but to reality, it is invisible.

God is as abstract as those imaginary lines.
Those lines exist in our minds...exactly the same way god exists in yours. But it doesn't make either of them physically real, it only makes them real to the beholder. So god exists and god does not exist, are both correct answers. It exists in your mind, but can we attribute the things you think god did to the existence of the god in your mind?

No, only to you and the others that believe it's real is it so.
Just the same as state lines are only real, only to those who believe they're real.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Why is science unable to stop death, Chip?
i don't know, Chaz. why is your proven false god not able to stop death? or make miracles happen? we hear lots of stories, but the proof is in the puddin' where is this god of yours, Chiperino?

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> So, science is imaginary?
Adding to the above:

Distance, mass, time are real.

Metres, kilograms, and seconds are units we made up so that its possible for us to quantify and compare real distances, masses, and times. We can change the unit of measurement without changing how much distance, mass, or time is really there. If I say you have 454 grams or 1 pound of butter its still the same amount of butter. The units are imaginary, the quantity of butter is real.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> We humans, all have these God given talents, why i said God, are that, other animals can not do that, except humans.
We have certain talents but its pure conjecture whether they are God-given. And without any evidence. On the other hand we can see our talents and shortcomings in terms of our evolutionary history, and in that light they make sense.

I think your point is that we should be grateful we have these talents, and you cannot think of any way to express your gratitude for having them except imagining a consciousness behind the universe who might accept your gratitude. None of that means God is real, even though we are all grateful for existing anyway.

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