Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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CrimeaRiver wrote:
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Nobody really knows.
But at least science tries to hazard a guess based on the tools available to us. But they by no means claim to know the absolute truth.
Religion (texts written by men) asks us to believe unsubstantiated claims about the origin of man and the universe.
But the ultimate truth is, we simply don't know how the universe started. We may never know!
" No body really knows ". That is an understatement.

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Nov 3, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> What about the sun( solar system)?
I hope you have enough sense to understand that there is nothing special about Greenwich and the starting point for developing a system of longitude could have been anywhere on earth with the exception of the north and south poles.

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MikeF wrote:
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Oh, look! Chuckles learned a new word, "Projecting". Isn't that just precious?
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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>sure it can. it can be whatever time we wish it to be.
there are many people that use universal time...(same time all around the globe) for them it certainly is the same time in NY as london.
these are very simple concepts...
Poor Woodie. I have been using man' s concept, what about the sun ?

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I have to applaud you again on being by far the most accurate, insightful, and logical representative on Topix for the Creationist viewpoint.
Well done.
Likewise.

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I hope you have enough sense to understand that there is nothing special about Greenwich and the starting point for developing a system of longitude could have been anywhere on earth with the exception of the north and south poles.
And i hope you also know that the sun can never be at different places at the same time.

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<quoted text> And i hope you also know that the sun can never be at different places at the same time.
Nobody said it can. Christine said that the system of longitude used to track where one is on the earth and what time it is, is a human construction and the lines are imaginary. She is right. We could move them anytime we liked with a decree. Yes the sun and the earth would move just the same and we cannot change those because they are not imaginary, they are real. But we can change our conventions in measuring what happens in the real world whenever it suits us.

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Nobody said it can. Christine said that the system of longitude used to track where one is on the earth and what time it is, is a human construction and the lines are imaginary. She is right. We could move them anytime we liked with a decree. Yes the sun and the earth would move just the same and we cannot change those because they are not imaginary, they are real. But we can change our conventions in measuring what happens in the real world whenever it suits us.
But the time can never be the same, yes or no?
And man's constructions can also be reality?
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Nov 4, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> But the time can never be the same, yes or no?
And man's constructions can also be reality?
and here we come to the crux of the argument.

Man's construction can be a theoretical reality but not always a physical rality.

So yes - our clock has 24 hours on it that reflects a single rotation of the earth.

But it could equally have 48 hours in a day by making the HOURS 30 mins shorter.

So we have two measurements of time that are different but with the same results because the physical presence of a Sun, Moon, Earh, gravity and a solar system are tangible.

But Man's construction of an all seeing, omnipotent God is not a reality; theoretically or physically. Because it is not based on any physical or tangible backdrop.

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Nov 4, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> still sleeping.
We have noticed, you would not post the garbage you post if you were awake.
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Still dreaming.
We have noticed, you would not post the garbage you post if you were awake.
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<quoted text> So science according to you is not real.
Say what? Time you woke up
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Crimeariver, your statement, saying, no one knows, is an understand and sheer ignorance.
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Typos, i meant, understatement and not understand.
I assume you were addressing me here so please give the name of one – just one - that’s one – O N E – only O – N – E person who knows what happened prior to 10^-34th of a second following the BB event.

Come on, anyone, living or dead, anyone will do.

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MazHere wrote:
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Exactly. The carbon cycle requires life. Life requires the carbon cycle. Which came first?
The carbon cycle, because it doesn't require life.

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Poor, poor little moron. Now you have gone all Black Knight on me.
How are you going to kick anyone's ass when your legs have been cut off.
Poor little masochist. You come here just to get yourself beat every day, whether it is me, MikeF, poly, Chimney1, or the love of your life Dan of Smallville. It seems that you are some strange sort of homosexual stalker.
Bisexual, he has been know to chase me from thread to thread.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> But the time can never be the same, yes or no?
And man's constructions can also be reality?
Man's constructions can either fit reality poorly such as unicorns, wizards, and ptolemaic astronomy, or fit it very well such as quantum mechanics and the theory of evolution. We know which is which by whether we can see any difference between observable reality and what the construct would lead us to expect. The ones with the closest match might be reality, but we can never be sure.

Scientific consequence - its easier to be sure a false theory is false, than that a true theory is true. Its also possible to spot theories that are so vague nothing can tell us if they are right or wrong. In science we ignore such theories. That is why science does not bother either trying to prove or disprove God. God is such a vague construct that there is nothing ro test.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And i hope you also know that the sun can never be at different places at the same time.
But you must admit that it and the moon can stand still without any earthly repercussions. How could Joshua know what time it was? Did he have a Rolex wrist hourglass?

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks to replaytime. I was even applying man made concepts to judge that. You are always wrong.
There you go, blaming another godbot for your stupidity
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<quoted text> What about the sun( solar system)?
Yes, what about it? Real objects are not the same as imaginary lines.

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The carbon cycle, because it doesn't require life.
And is required to create life (as we know life)

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> But the time can never be the same, yes or no?
And man's constructions can also be reality?
Time passes, it is never the same from one picosecond to the next , that is a universal effect and subject to the physical arrow of time as depicted in the second law of thermodynamics. It does alter depending on the density of space that particular segment of the arrow is passing through.

Without some man made means of measuring time (a clock for example) then time is simply a relativistic effect of space. Entropy occurs, QED

The recording of time as you know it is also a man made construct, i.e. imaginary, it can be anytime you want it to be however there is consensus, agreed in the 18th century that time would be internationally geared to GMT0. About the same time as those imaginary lines of yours were imagined.

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Of course this is just replatytime trying to change the argument, since he lost the original point, or never even understood what the original point was.
Of course we all know the Bible is not perfect. Yet there are certain fundamentalists who do think so. There are verses in the Bible that clearly show they believed in a Flat Earth back then. That is no real dig at the writers, but it is a dig at the people who are willing to swallow any of the Bible's nonsense.
It is fun to watch replaytime froth at the mouth and spin rather than to admit he was wrong.
Well, the entertainment value is undeniable. Hehehe.

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Nov 4, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Hey Mac. How are ya doin'?
Hey, Dan.

It's 80°F, low humidity, nice breeze, I can smell the ocean - doing pret' darn well.

:-D

How's by you?
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Nov 4, 2013
 
replaytime wrote:
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WOW!!! A link to the thread I am already on. Brilliant!! Absolutely Brilliant!!!
Nope sorry dud. The burden of prove is always on the one that claims a positive.
And since you are obviously here posting (like I pointed out) then quite obviously there is life on a planet which 4 billion years ago did not have life.
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You come to this thread and argue about what ever then you run over to other threads and argue with skeptic about the opposites. So yes troll fits you very well.
Yes I know that subtleties are not your strong point. Fact of the matter is that Skippy is a fundie. He just happens to be an atheist fundie. I argue against fundies all the time, and a fundie who happens to be an 'atheist evolutionist' is NOT on my side, especially when he knows F all about science. He is no different from any other creationist, except he believes in only one less God than they do. Trolls also aren't very good at correcting fundies, usually because they don't care. I am.

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