Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Full Story

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#104481 Nov 3, 2013
reverb wrote:
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Still , you are not intrigued by the fact that out of all intelligent life on earth we are the only ones with pitty and self realization
You can't qualify that.
We aren't the only self aware or intelligent species on Earth.
We are just the ones with both brains and hands.

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#104482 Nov 3, 2013
MazHere wrote:
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Now please don't have a tantrum and spit your dummy out trying to hide the fact that you are incompetent.
Ditto. Well said

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#104483 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Watch out now. Sub knows what he is talking about,,, I mean he talks a lot of BS. Sub knows all the facts,,, I mean he makes his BS as he goes. Sub knows the rules,,, I mean he sets and changes the rules to benefit him. Sub says... oh hellll all Sub really says is blah blah blah you owe me an answer and until then,,,, yep his way of dodging everything.
I haven't had the chance to introduce you two idiots yet.

Maz meet replaytime, he is a dishonest son of a bitch that will do anything rather than admit that he is wrong. He also will not play fairly. He thinks he gets to ask all of the questions and that no one can question him.

replaytime meet Maz, she is notorious for misinterpreting scientific articles. She often thinks that evidence for evolution is against evolution. It usually has to be explained to her about ten times before she gets a clue.

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#104484 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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How in the heck do you ever look in the mirror then. That has to be the biggest moron you ever have seen.
You are projecting again moron.

When you are honest, which has been rare as of late, I am more than happy to help you.

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#104485 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>So no one more time tard, is your wife still anally abusing you? Please answer yes or no.
This one sentence sums you up. You are a loser and an idiot. You attack people with name calling and if that doesn't work you attack them on a personal level hoping to gain some ground all the time using this as a diversion to get out of answering questions because you know the answers you give will show your idiocy.

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#104486 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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"If you answered my question I would answer yours." Same old BS from poor lil Sub. It never changes.
Cmon lil Sub. You can do better on the wife ridiculing can't ya. I mean you already stooped that low why stop now. Keep going. LMAO
You were being a moron. The idea was to wake you to that fact. It obviously didn't work. In other words you just admitted that I din not "stoop low" enough.

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#104487 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Ditto. Well said
Oh no, the poor idiots are flocking together.

replaytime, you started this rudeness, all you have to do is to act right an it will end. I have no problem continuing in this vein if you want to.

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#104488 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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This one sentence sums you up. You are a loser and an idiot. You attack people with name calling and if that doesn't work you attack them on a personal level hoping to gain some ground all the time using this as a diversion to get out of answering questions because you know the answers you give will show your idiocy.
No, this was your choice all along.

I told you more than once that your question was idiotic. Now that I give you an equally idiotic one you play the victim. Sorry replaytime, no one is believing you. For the same reason my question is idiotic so is yours. If you cannot see that perhaps it is because there is a bit of truth in my question for you.

So stop being an idiot. Don't ask stupid questions with false "Yes/no" alternatives. Try to be honest for more than a few minutes a day.

Sometimes the only way to get attention of dishonest people like you is to slap you with your own dishonesty. Sadly I see that it has not worked yet.

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#104489 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Oh no, the poor idiots are flocking together.
replaytime, you started this rudeness, all you have to do is to act right an it will end. I have no problem continuing in this vein if you want to.
It is the same MO that he has operated by since he first started stalking me. He will pull every low trick he can think of and behave like an antisocial a-hole, then turn around and accuse and blame you. It isn't even interesting for being unique. It is such a common and shabby behavior.

I think he lies as much to himself as he does to the rest of us.

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#104490 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No, this was your choice all along.
I told you more than once that your question was idiotic. Now that I give you an equally idiotic one you play the victim. Sorry replaytime, no one is believing you. For the same reason my question is idiotic so is yours. If you cannot see that perhaps it is because there is a bit of truth in my question for you.
So stop being an idiot. Don't ask stupid questions with false "Yes/no" alternatives. Try to be honest for more than a few minutes a day.
Sometimes the only way to get attention of dishonest people like you is to slap you with your own dishonesty. Sadly I see that it has not worked yet.
He has no honor and can't take personal responsibility. He can't say that he chose to behave the way he has. It is sad, because isn't stupid, he just chooses to behave that way.

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#104491 Nov 3, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>It is the same MO that he has operated by since he first started stalking me. He will pull every low trick he can think of and behave like an antisocial a-hole, then turn around and accuse and blame you. It isn't even interesting for being unique. It is such a common and shabby behavior.
I think he lies as much to himself as he does to the rest of us.
Sadly true. I don't think any of us would go looking for replaytime if he left this part of Topix. I do not think that the reverse is true.

I know when Maz disappeared all I thought was good riddance of bad rubbish. I did not go from site to site looking for her. She may have been at other sites here during her absence, she may not have been. I pretty much stick to this little corner of Topix with occasional rare excursions to Offbeat or Atheist forums.

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#104492 Nov 3, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>He has no honor and can't take personal responsibility. He can't say that he chose to behave the way he has. It is sad, because isn't stupid, he just chooses to behave that way.
I agree, at times he can actually be quite bright and sane. He will make valid points. He is not a bohart that is good only for comic relief, a susanblenge or whatever her name is or Jim Ryan that is totally off of their rocker, and usually he does not make the sort of mistakes that Maz does. Maz, in case you didn't know, actually will read evolution articles, which is good for her. She will almost always misinterpret them, which is what drives us nuts.

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#104493 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I haven't had the chance to introduce you two idiots yet.
Maz meet replaytime, he is a dishonest son of a bitch that will do anything rather than admit that he is wrong. He also will not play fairly. He thinks he gets to ask all of the questions and that no one can question him.
replaytime meet Maz, she is notorious for misinterpreting scientific articles. She often thinks that evidence for evolution is against evolution. It usually has to be explained to her about ten times before she gets a clue.
Still stuck on your name calling for that is all you have or will ever have. That is sad but yet funny. lol

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#104494 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I agree, at times he can actually be quite bright and sane. He will make valid points. He is not a bohart that is good only for comic relief, a susanblenge or whatever her name is or Jim Ryan that is totally off of their rocker, and usually he does not make the sort of mistakes that Maz does. Maz, in case you didn't know, actually will read evolution articles, which is good for her. She will almost always misinterpret them, which is what drives us nuts.
Yes, I remember that she does read papers on evolution. She beat that one on therapod footprints in Argentina to death. I am reminded also of the blue reference you use to make. It was very amusing.

I feel sorry for replay, but not enough to put up with his nonsense and lies.

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#104495 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Still stuck on your name calling for that is all you have or will ever have. That is sad but yet funny. lol
There was no name calling in that post. Only descriptions of you two. You really are have a hang up about your flaws. Rather than trying to deny them why not get rid of them by being honest? That is all it would take for you. When your brain is clear you are not a complete idiot like bohart. You don't always have to be an idiot replaytime. You are one of the few people that have a choice in this matter

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#104496 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I agree, at times he can actually be quite bright and sane. He will make valid points. He is not a bohart that is good only for comic relief, a susanblenge or whatever her name is or Jim Ryan that is totally off of their rocker, and usually he does not make the sort of mistakes that Maz does. Maz, in case you didn't know, actually will read evolution articles, which is good for her. She will almost always misinterpret them, which is what drives us nuts.
He often makes points that I agree with, but he has behaved so reprehensibly, I don't feel interested in following his arguments. You never know when it is going to turn into a pissing contest over some triviality or error he can't own up to.

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#104497 Nov 3, 2013
MazHere wrote:
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No, I am not jumping to any conclusion. My conclusion is shared by the evolutionary researchers quoted. If you would like to contest that conclusion perhaps you could also provide some empirical research of your own, to support your opinion.
See!
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The assumption that all life on Earth today shares the same basic molecular architecture and biochemistry is part of the paradigm of modern biology. This paper argues that there is little theoretical or empirical support for this widely held assumption."
Regardless of your opinion, the research clearly falsifies the current evolutionary paradigm, yet again, and supports the claim that there are no common ancestors between man and microbe.
I was not arguing with the conclusions of the researchers.

I was arguing with YOUR strawman argument that this falsifies evolution.

Logic is a stranger to creationists, I have noticed. You are no better.

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#104498 Nov 3, 2013
MazHere wrote:
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It is also up to you to have faith in TOE regardless of all evidence against it.
Pity you cannot find any. That's OK, just keep assuring everyone its there. Just like God.
If all life that arises on earth, has similar genomic structure and can share dna,

then common ancestry between ape and chimp is an assumption you choose to believe.
One does not follow from the other. More creationist "logic" I presume.

And we do not "assume" humans and chimps have a common ancestor. The fossil and genomic evidence points to it.

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#104499 Nov 3, 2013
MazHere wrote:
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That has nothing to do with the point I made.
It has everything to do with the point you made.

The earliest life might have evolved more than once and convergence in the genome could have occurred by gene swapping. Even bacteria today swap plasmids. Or there could have been a very early common protocell ancestor.

We don't know. But any of these scenarios are plausible and therefore the archaea / bacteria split is not evidence against evolution.
"Researchers are finding that on top of the 1% distinction, chunks of missing DNA, extra genes, altered connections in gene networks, and the very structure of chromosomes confound any quantification of “humanness” versus “chimpness.”“There isn’t one single way to express the genetic distance between two complicated living organisms,” Gagneux adds."
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/316/5833/18...
http://watchmenservices.info/New%20Folder/Hum...
Are you now suggesting this evolutionary researcher above does not know what he is talking about, but you do????????
So different methods of assessing differences in the complex genome of humans and chimps can yield different results. Why should that surprise anyone?

The salient point is comparative, not absolute. The human genome is more similar to a chimp's than to any other genome by virtually any consistently used method.

And there appear to be no barriers in the transition of one to the other. Plus a pile of fossil evidence of the intermediate forms that showed it happened. Plus the genomic evidence in ubiquitous proteins, ERV's, and pseudogenes, each severally and independently confirming the nested hierarchy of evolution.

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#104500 Nov 3, 2013
MazHere wrote:
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Very clearly you are evading the point I am making and doing a poor job at it. I'll make this as simple for you as I can.
If 'primitive cells' could transfer DNA (HGT) between themselves, then the genomic structures of all 'primitive cells' was compatable and similar?
Please refute the above claim with more than your opinion, evasion, ridicule and tail chasing.
Yes, for once your conclusion follows your premise.

However, when we are talking very basic, possibly proto-cells, one need not assume a high level of specialisation and therefore not a high barrier for compatibility. Its perfectly possible - in fact more probable than not - that early parts of living systems developed independently and literally converged (RNA, metabolic machinery, etc). We don't know yet - but once again, nothing you present suggests it could not happen.

We see the same pattern repeated at a higher level later in the transition of prokaryote to eukaryote.

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