Evolution vs. Creation

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#104397 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Here you go:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebre...
Even the Gold Standard of Hebrew translation for Christians, Strong's Concordance lists this word as a circle, circuit, or at best the "vault of the heavens". No description of a spherical Earth.
And a very well written article by a current student of ancient Hebrew:
http://youngausskeptics.com/2008/12/what-you-...
Your first link says definition circle, circuit, compass, vault (of the heavens. so again they are not sure.

Your second link says "Firstly, with a little effort and research one can positively show that around the time Isaiah was written (8th Century BC)"

The word sphere was not around in 8th century BC.

The origin of the word sphere is 1250–1300

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sphere

Google the origin of sphere yourself and you will see that it was not around in 8th century BC. You keep criticizing people for using creationists sites but you use bible/religious hater sites quite of for your links.

You using bible/religious hater sites is as you say to the creationists that use creation sites, a form of lying.

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#104398 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Your first link says definition circle, circuit, compass, vault (of the heavens. so again they are not sure.
No, it does not mean "they are not sure". LMFAO! It means it has been used with that meaning. Please note that "sphere" is not a use that it has been interpreted as using.
Your second link says "Firstly, with a little effort and research one can positively show that around the time Isaiah was written (8th Century BC)"
The word sphere was not around in 8th century BC.
The origin of the word sphere is 1250–1300
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sphere
Google the origin of sphere yourself and you will see that it was not around in 8th century BC. You keep criticizing people for using creationists sites but you use bible/religious hater sites quite of for your links.
You using bible/religious hater sites is as you say to the creationists that use creation sites, a form of lying.
How many times do you have to be told that there were words that meant that could be used to describe a sphere? They did have a word for "ball". That was the word that MikeF referred to. The word used in Isaiah was not used for sphere. How deep into denial are you today?

And no, I did not use "Bible hater sites". I actually used Bible sites for some of my claims I used an atheists site, not a Bible haters site, to go into more detail.

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#104399 Nov 3, 2013
SBT wrote:
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So noted, only if you reread your condescending statement. Dan, you are only motivating me to be better at refuting you. No one on your side here want's me to post more motor study, but if you insist...
Actually we would all like to see you try.

So far none of your posts based upon peer reviewed science support you.

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#104400 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You lying piece of crap. MikeF is nicer to you than I am. That is all. You hate having your nose rubbed in your own excrement like a bad puppy.
Mike F is more grown up and more of an adult than you are. It is that simple. You believe you are never wrong even when shown you are wrong you have an excuse or new rule. You are a self-fed ego that never gets his appetite filled. You see everyone, and I mean everyone even people you know, you see them as wrong unless they agree with you and if they show you different than what you believe/say you always have a backup excuse of you should know what I meant, you mis-took what I said or some other BS or a new rule.

That lil Sub are the facts.

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#104401 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I see that you are still stuck in moron mode.
I don't have that ability, that is why I rely on the expertise of others. The verse clearly translates as a Flat Earth. Only the worst of apologists claim otherwise.
You argue like a creatard fundie in his undies at times. Why are you trying to defend Bible literalism?
And the "Skeptical Monkey" is an expert site? LMMFAO

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#104403 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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How many times do you have to be told that there were words that meant that could be used to describe a sphere? They did have a word for "ball". That was the word that MikeF referred to. The word used in Isaiah was not used for sphere. How deep into denial are you today?
And no, I did not use "Bible hater sites". I actually used Bible sites for some of my claims I used an atheists site, not a Bible haters site, to go into more detail.
Then it should be simple for you. Show the word that meant sphere. I gave you ball/circle(the one I got from Mike. You gave one for circle. But where is your word for sphere or words that could be used to describe a sphere around those times. A ball, a circle could not describe a sphere for they did not even have a effin clue what a sphere was back then. That is a fact that you cannot seem to grasp.

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#104404 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No, it does not mean "they are not sure". LMFAO! It means it has been used with that meaning. Please note that "sphere" is not a use that it has been interpreted as using.
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How many times do you have to be told that there were words that meant that could be used to describe a sphere? They did have a word for "ball". That was the word that MikeF referred to. The word used in Isaiah was not used for sphere. How deep into denial are you today?
And no, I did not use "Bible hater sites". I actually used Bible sites for some of my claims I used an atheists site, not a Bible haters site, to go into more detail.
Is a football a sphere? Is a rugby ball a sphere? Nope but they are balls huh? So ball does not mean sphere.

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#104405 Nov 3, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Sure.
Once upon a time, all life on Earth was anaerobic.
About all that's left are gas gangrene and botulism.

Here is an example of what this paper was saying.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2003/0...

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#104406 Nov 3, 2013

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#104407 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Mike F is more grown up and more of an adult than you are. It is that simple. You believe you are never wrong even when shown you are wrong you have an excuse or new rule. You are a self-fed ego that never gets his appetite filled. You see everyone, and I mean everyone even people you know, you see them as wrong unless they agree with you and if they show you different than what you believe/say you always have a backup excuse of you should know what I meant, you mis-took what I said or some other BS or a new rule.
That lil Sub are the facts.
Please, when you act like an adult then you can claim that someone is more of an adult than I am. Until then all I can hear is the simple prattling of a child.

And you do not pay too much attention to my posts. I have admitted that I am wrong many times over. Unfortunately you are such a fool that there has not been a case where I was wrong and you were right that comes to mind.

And don't try to blame me for your poor reading comprehension. My posts are always clear enough for anyone with at least half of a brain.

replaytime if anyone his a child here it is you. You can be shown to be wrong countless times and yet you never admit it. At best you will say something completely idiotic on the order of "I trust MikeF because he is not mean to me".

One more time, if you want a polite discussion it is all up to you.

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#104408 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Is a football a sphere? Is a rugby ball a sphere? Nope but they are balls huh? So ball does not mean sphere.
See, when you are wrong you dig a deeper hole and try to hide in it.

Please quit being a moron, you are not this stupid.

Did they have American footballs or Rugby balls in ancient Israel? If not your question is completely idiotic.

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#104409 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Then it should be simple for you. Show the word that meant sphere. I gave you ball/circle(the one I got from Mike. You gave one for circle. But where is your word for sphere or words that could be used to describe a sphere around those times. A ball, a circle could not describe a sphere for they did not even have a effin clue what a sphere was back then. That is a fact that you cannot seem to grasp.
OH MY GAWD!! Yes they did. You were given examples.

Why are you stuck on stupid. Go back an reread the posts.

I guess I need to remind you what the discussion was about.

The Bible in several places describes a Flat Earth, either by word or by action. The specific verse being discusses uses a word that does not mean "sphere". Why do you want the word for ball? You have already been given it. The word used in the verse under discussion is not used for a spherical object, even according to Biblical sources.

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#104410 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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And the "Skeptical Monkey" is an expert site? LMMFAO
It is close enough on this subject since they got the answer right. They did not list the particular sources that they used to get their answer. So what? Are you disputing it? I gave Biblical resources that showed they were correct. They also listed some other parts of the Bible that clearly shows the people of that time thought that the Earth was flat. The Bible was written as if the Earth was flat.

One more time, why are you trying to defend the Bible like a fundamentalist?

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#104412 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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See, when you are wrong you dig a deeper hole and try to hide in it.
Please quit being a moron, you are not this stupid.
Did they have American footballs or Rugby balls in ancient Israel? If not your question is completely idiotic.
You said a ball could be used to be/mean sphere. So is a football or a rug ball spheres? It is a simple yes or no question.

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#104413 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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It is close enough on this subject since they got the answer right. They did not list the particular sources that they used to get their answer. So what? Are you disputing it? I gave Biblical resources that showed they were correct. They also listed some other parts of the Bible that clearly shows the people of that time thought that the Earth was flat. The Bible was written as if the Earth was flat.
One more time, why are you trying to defend the Bible like a fundamentalist?
Look up the origin of the word sphere then get back to me.

Remember Isaiah written around 800BC

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#104414 Nov 3, 2013
Let’s have people input on this one. I know ther will be some make stupid comments but I also know some will be honest. I actually don't expect much but one never knows.

1. How many of you believe they knew what a sphere was 2300yrs ago?

2. How many ways did they have, if any to tell that the earth was even round 2300yrs ago?

3. How many of you think back when the bible was written that they knew earth was even round?

4. How many of you think that if you look out at the horizon over land or water that the earth looks like it ends?

5. If you knew the word circle and you could spin around in a circle and see earth’s horizon out everywhere you looked in that circular spin, would they think 2300yrs ago earth was a circle as well?

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#104415 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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OH MY GAWD!! Yes they did. You were given examples.
Why are you stuck on stupid. Go back an reread the posts.
I guess I need to remind you what the discussion was about.
The Bible in several places describes a Flat Earth, either by word or by action. The specific verse being discusses uses a word that does not mean "sphere". Why do you want the word for ball? You have already been given it. The word used in the verse under discussion is not used for a spherical object, even according to Biblical sources.
They did not even have a effin clue what a sphere was back then. A ball simply meant a ball they played with. A circle simply meant a round shape. Those are facts that you cannot seem to grasp.

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#104416 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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It is close enough on this subject since they got the answer right. They did not list the particular sources that they used to get their answer. So what? Are you disputing it? I gave Biblical resources that showed they were correct. They also listed some other parts of the Bible that clearly shows the people of that time thought that the Earth was flat. The Bible was written as if the Earth was flat.
One more time, why are you trying to defend the Bible like a fundamentalist?
According to you I am a fundamentalist and creatard. So what is your point?

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#104417 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Look up the origin of the word sphere then get back to me.
Remember Isaiah written around 800BC
Sorry, I am not playing your moron games today.

I already handed you your ass, you are too blind to see.

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#104418 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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According to you I am a fundamentalist and creatard. So what is your point?
How deep does the stupid go on you today?

I asked why you were defending the Bible like a fundamentalist. It is really no big deal that the people who wrote the Bible thought that the Earth was flat. Except too fundamentalists. Have you been lying to us all of this time about your beliefs?

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