Evolution vs. Creation

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104377 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
Even if a creationist links an article that was written from peer reviewed articles"
The problem is that they do not do this, or at the very best they misunderstand the articles. Like all of the articles that SBT linked without reading. None of them supported his claims.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104378 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Why do you always resort to calling someone names?
Does it make you feel more right? Or make you feel intimidating?
What it really does is show that you are as you like to say "an idiot"
I get tired of idiots who make obvious mistakes and then won't own up to them.

That is not civil debate. It is rudeness. Rudeness invites rudeness in return.

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#104379 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I see the moron cannot admit that he was wrong.
Not only do articles need to be based upon peer reviewed science. They also have to show that peer reviewed science agrees with them. That is something that no creatard has ever been able to do. I welcome creationist claims that are based upon peer reviewed science. So far there have not been any.
No I am not wrong. But I refuse to go back and dig through comments where you have said evidence has to be peer reviewed because you would just say "you should have known what I meant" as you always do.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104380 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Is that a fact? The word for circle and ball were different words. Hmmmmm
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http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TIP...
The problem is that "duwr" was not the word used in the verse under discussion, so the fact that it may have two meanings is moot. The word in Isaiah is "chuwg". That is used to mean a circle:

http://www.skepticalmonkey.com/scientific-acc...

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#104381 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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The problem is that they do not do this, or at the very best they misunderstand the articles. Like all of the articles that SBT linked without reading. None of them supported his claims.
What exactly are you saying SBT claimed?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104382 Nov 3, 2013
Try to be honest replaytime and I will be polite. Be an ass and you will be treated as one.

Maz has a history but perhaps I should have been a bit kinder on my first response. Yet she lived up to expectations.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104383 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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What exactly are you saying SBT claimed?
SBT went tried to claim that Behe's claim of irreducible complexity had not been debunked. He could not understand the article that I linked several times showing how the evolution of the flagellum was fairly well understood. There are still some minor points. Behe tried to claim that there was no evolution of it at all. That was easily debunked.

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#104384 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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The problem is that "duwr" was not the word used in the verse under discussion, so the fact that it may have two meanings is moot. The word in Isaiah is "chuwg". That is used to mean a circle:
http://www.skepticalmonkey.com/scientific-acc...
The "Skeptical Monkey"!! Religion and Paranormal!! LMAO

Is that based off of peer reviewed articles? If not it doesn't mean anything, it is worthless.

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#104385 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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The problem is that "duwr" was not the word used in the verse under discussion, so the fact that it may have two meanings is moot. The word in Isaiah is "chuwg". That is used to mean a circle:
http://www.skepticalmonkey.com/scientific-acc...
One thing about Mike F he is and has been more honest than you will ever be. So I will take Mike's word on it.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104386 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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The "Skeptical Monkey"!! Religion and Paranormal!! LMAO
Is that based off of peer reviewed articles? If not it doesn't mean anything, it is worthless.
What is wrong with that site?

I can find other that will say the same thing.

Oh no, the moron wants peer reviewed science articles about a non-science topic.

What a Maroon!

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104389 Nov 3, 2013
Here you go:

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebre...

Even the Gold Standard of Hebrew translation for Christians, Strong's Concordance lists this word as a circle, circuit, or at best the "vault of the heavens". No description of a spherical Earth.

And a very well written article by a current student of ancient Hebrew:

http://youngausskeptics.com/2008/12/what-you-...

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#104390 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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What is wrong with that site?
I can find other that will say the same thing.
Oh no, the moron wants peer reviewed science articles about a non-science topic.
What a Maroon!
Uhm it is a science to translate the Hebrew words of the bible correctly.

Here is Isaiah Chapter 40 in Hebrew. Find that word would ya.

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1040.htm

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104391 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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One thing about Mike F he is and has been more honest than you will ever be. So I will take Mike's word on it.
You lying piece of crap. MikeF is nicer to you than I am. That is all. You hate having your nose rubbed in your own excrement like a bad puppy.

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Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#104392 Nov 3, 2013
SBT wrote:
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That's what Crick proposed when they isolated DNA. He wrote a book about it "Panaspora" i believe.
"Panspermia."

It's not Crick's invention - both the idea and the word are more than two millenia old.

And it's got nothing to do with DNA *qua* DNA - it's about how life could get from one planet where it existed to another planet where (maybe) it didn't.

Sheesh.
drinK the hivE

Brooklyn, NY

#104393 Nov 3, 2013
F**uck Til The Apocalypse Makes Coitus Interruptus...

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#104394 Nov 3, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> The point escapes you again.
Leave genome out of it, because that refutes you completely already.
The structures of "all" primitive cells need not be compatible.
The biospheres cooperation between a body of cells were compatible and shared information creating genes and the domains and phyla of all "known" microbes working together sharing DNA and common ancestry evolved together.
Were there bacteria or cells alien to this body of things, that were conglomerated into the biosphere in existence?
Possibly , but these would not chive with life as we know it, but could exist in microbial life forms not yet discovered.
Meaning there maybe life out there we have not recognized as being life , and he gives an example.
"The best place to start such a search is with puzzling (anomalous) phenomena, such as desert varnish, that resist classification as 'biological' or 'nonbiological'."
He is clearly saying that desert varnish could be a life form.
And there maybe others waiting to be discovered, that exist in a niche other than what we consider life in our biosphere.
There are other examples of life we didn't recognize or understand , but this is an attempt to expand our thinking to incorporate things not in our definitions , extremophiles are a classic example of what he is talking about. are there life forms out there we do not recognize as life?
Sure.

Once upon a time, all life on Earth was anaerobic.

About all that's left are gas gangrene and botulism.

SBT
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Since: Jun 13

United States

#104395 Nov 3, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>You are obviously lost on the literature and how to do a search. You should try to find someone 8th grader to help you with the hard stuff.
So noted, only if you reread your condescending statement. Dan, you are only motivating me to be better at refuting you. No one on your side here want's me to post more motor study, but if you insist...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104396 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Uhm it is a science to translate the Hebrew words of the bible correctly.
Here is Isaiah Chapter 40 in Hebrew. Find that word would ya.
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1040.htm
I see that you are still stuck in moron mode.

I don't have that ability, that is why I rely on the expertise of others. The verse clearly translates as a Flat Earth. Only the worst of apologists claim otherwise.

You argue like a creatard fundie in his undies at times. Why are you trying to defend Bible literalism?

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#104397 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Here you go:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebre...
Even the Gold Standard of Hebrew translation for Christians, Strong's Concordance lists this word as a circle, circuit, or at best the "vault of the heavens". No description of a spherical Earth.
And a very well written article by a current student of ancient Hebrew:
http://youngausskeptics.com/2008/12/what-you-...
Your first link says definition circle, circuit, compass, vault (of the heavens. so again they are not sure.

Your second link says "Firstly, with a little effort and research one can positively show that around the time Isaiah was written (8th Century BC)"

The word sphere was not around in 8th century BC.

The origin of the word sphere is 12501300

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sphere

Google the origin of sphere yourself and you will see that it was not around in 8th century BC. You keep criticizing people for using creationists sites but you use bible/religious hater sites quite of for your links.

You using bible/religious hater sites is as you say to the creationists that use creation sites, a form of lying.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104398 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Your first link says definition circle, circuit, compass, vault (of the heavens. so again they are not sure.
No, it does not mean "they are not sure". LMFAO! It means it has been used with that meaning. Please note that "sphere" is not a use that it has been interpreted as using.
Your second link says "Firstly, with a little effort and research one can positively show that around the time Isaiah was written (8th Century BC)"
The word sphere was not around in 8th century BC.
The origin of the word sphere is 12501300
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sphere
Google the origin of sphere yourself and you will see that it was not around in 8th century BC. You keep criticizing people for using creationists sites but you use bible/religious hater sites quite of for your links.
You using bible/religious hater sites is as you say to the creationists that use creation sites, a form of lying.
How many times do you have to be told that there were words that meant that could be used to describe a sphere? They did have a word for "ball". That was the word that MikeF referred to. The word used in Isaiah was not used for sphere. How deep into denial are you today?

And no, I did not use "Bible hater sites". I actually used Bible sites for some of my claims I used an atheists site, not a Bible haters site, to go into more detail.

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