Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 209689 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#104394 Nov 3, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> The point escapes you again.
Leave genome out of it, because that refutes you completely already.
The structures of "all" primitive cells need not be compatible.
The biospheres cooperation between a body of cells were compatible and shared information creating genes and the domains and phyla of all "known" microbes working together sharing DNA and common ancestry evolved together.
Were there bacteria or cells alien to this body of things, that were conglomerated into the biosphere in existence?
Possibly , but these would not chive with life as we know it, but could exist in microbial life forms not yet discovered.
Meaning there maybe life out there we have not recognized as being life , and he gives an example.
"The best place to start such a search is with puzzling (anomalous) phenomena, such as desert varnish, that resist classification as 'biological' or 'nonbiological'."
He is clearly saying that desert varnish could be a life form.
And there maybe others waiting to be discovered, that exist in a niche other than what we consider life in our biosphere.
There are other examples of life we didn't recognize or understand , but this is an attempt to expand our thinking to incorporate things not in our definitions , extremophiles are a classic example of what he is talking about. are there life forms out there we do not recognize as life?
Sure.

Once upon a time, all life on Earth was anaerobic.

About all that's left are gas gangrene and botulism.

SBT
Level 2

Since: Jun 13

United States

#104395 Nov 3, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>You are obviously lost on the literature and how to do a search. You should try to find someone 8th grader to help you with the hard stuff.
So noted, only if you reread your condescending statement. Dan, you are only motivating me to be better at refuting you. No one on your side here want's me to post more motor study, but if you insist...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104396 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Uhm it is a science to translate the Hebrew words of the bible correctly.
Here is Isaiah Chapter 40 in Hebrew. Find that word would ya.
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1040.htm
I see that you are still stuck in moron mode.

I don't have that ability, that is why I rely on the expertise of others. The verse clearly translates as a Flat Earth. Only the worst of apologists claim otherwise.

You argue like a creatard fundie in his undies at times. Why are you trying to defend Bible literalism?

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#104397 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Here you go:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebre...
Even the Gold Standard of Hebrew translation for Christians, Strong's Concordance lists this word as a circle, circuit, or at best the "vault of the heavens". No description of a spherical Earth.
And a very well written article by a current student of ancient Hebrew:
http://youngausskeptics.com/2008/12/what-you-...
Your first link says definition circle, circuit, compass, vault (of the heavens. so again they are not sure.

Your second link says "Firstly, with a little effort and research one can positively show that around the time Isaiah was written (8th Century BC)"

The word sphere was not around in 8th century BC.

The origin of the word sphere is 1250–1300

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sphere

Google the origin of sphere yourself and you will see that it was not around in 8th century BC. You keep criticizing people for using creationists sites but you use bible/religious hater sites quite of for your links.

You using bible/religious hater sites is as you say to the creationists that use creation sites, a form of lying.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104398 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Your first link says definition circle, circuit, compass, vault (of the heavens. so again they are not sure.
No, it does not mean "they are not sure". LMFAO! It means it has been used with that meaning. Please note that "sphere" is not a use that it has been interpreted as using.
Your second link says "Firstly, with a little effort and research one can positively show that around the time Isaiah was written (8th Century BC)"
The word sphere was not around in 8th century BC.
The origin of the word sphere is 1250–1300
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sphere
Google the origin of sphere yourself and you will see that it was not around in 8th century BC. You keep criticizing people for using creationists sites but you use bible/religious hater sites quite of for your links.
You using bible/religious hater sites is as you say to the creationists that use creation sites, a form of lying.
How many times do you have to be told that there were words that meant that could be used to describe a sphere? They did have a word for "ball". That was the word that MikeF referred to. The word used in Isaiah was not used for sphere. How deep into denial are you today?

And no, I did not use "Bible hater sites". I actually used Bible sites for some of my claims I used an atheists site, not a Bible haters site, to go into more detail.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104399 Nov 3, 2013
SBT wrote:
<quoted text>
So noted, only if you reread your condescending statement. Dan, you are only motivating me to be better at refuting you. No one on your side here want's me to post more motor study, but if you insist...
Actually we would all like to see you try.

So far none of your posts based upon peer reviewed science support you.

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#104400 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
You lying piece of crap. MikeF is nicer to you than I am. That is all. You hate having your nose rubbed in your own excrement like a bad puppy.
Mike F is more grown up and more of an adult than you are. It is that simple. You believe you are never wrong even when shown you are wrong you have an excuse or new rule. You are a self-fed ego that never gets his appetite filled. You see everyone, and I mean everyone even people you know, you see them as wrong unless they agree with you and if they show you different than what you believe/say you always have a backup excuse of you should know what I meant, you mis-took what I said or some other BS or a new rule.

That lil Sub are the facts.

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#104401 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
I see that you are still stuck in moron mode.
I don't have that ability, that is why I rely on the expertise of others. The verse clearly translates as a Flat Earth. Only the worst of apologists claim otherwise.
You argue like a creatard fundie in his undies at times. Why are you trying to defend Bible literalism?
And the "Skeptical Monkey" is an expert site? LMMFAO

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#104403 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
How many times do you have to be told that there were words that meant that could be used to describe a sphere? They did have a word for "ball". That was the word that MikeF referred to. The word used in Isaiah was not used for sphere. How deep into denial are you today?
And no, I did not use "Bible hater sites". I actually used Bible sites for some of my claims I used an atheists site, not a Bible haters site, to go into more detail.
Then it should be simple for you. Show the word that meant sphere. I gave you ball/circle(the one I got from Mike. You gave one for circle. But where is your word for sphere or words that could be used to describe a sphere around those times. A ball, a circle could not describe a sphere for they did not even have a effin clue what a sphere was back then. That is a fact that you cannot seem to grasp.

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#104404 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it does not mean "they are not sure". LMFAO! It means it has been used with that meaning. Please note that "sphere" is not a use that it has been interpreted as using.
<quoted text>
How many times do you have to be told that there were words that meant that could be used to describe a sphere? They did have a word for "ball". That was the word that MikeF referred to. The word used in Isaiah was not used for sphere. How deep into denial are you today?
And no, I did not use "Bible hater sites". I actually used Bible sites for some of my claims I used an atheists site, not a Bible haters site, to go into more detail.
Is a football a sphere? Is a rugby ball a sphere? Nope but they are balls huh? So ball does not mean sphere.

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Since: Dec 10

The Basket of Deplorables

#104405 Nov 3, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Sure.
Once upon a time, all life on Earth was anaerobic.
About all that's left are gas gangrene and botulism.

Here is an example of what this paper was saying.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2003/0...

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The Basket of Deplorables

#104406 Nov 3, 2013

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104407 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Mike F is more grown up and more of an adult than you are. It is that simple. You believe you are never wrong even when shown you are wrong you have an excuse or new rule. You are a self-fed ego that never gets his appetite filled. You see everyone, and I mean everyone even people you know, you see them as wrong unless they agree with you and if they show you different than what you believe/say you always have a backup excuse of you should know what I meant, you mis-took what I said or some other BS or a new rule.
That lil Sub are the facts.
Please, when you act like an adult then you can claim that someone is more of an adult than I am. Until then all I can hear is the simple prattling of a child.

And you do not pay too much attention to my posts. I have admitted that I am wrong many times over. Unfortunately you are such a fool that there has not been a case where I was wrong and you were right that comes to mind.

And don't try to blame me for your poor reading comprehension. My posts are always clear enough for anyone with at least half of a brain.

replaytime if anyone his a child here it is you. You can be shown to be wrong countless times and yet you never admit it. At best you will say something completely idiotic on the order of "I trust MikeF because he is not mean to me".

One more time, if you want a polite discussion it is all up to you.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104408 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Is a football a sphere? Is a rugby ball a sphere? Nope but they are balls huh? So ball does not mean sphere.
See, when you are wrong you dig a deeper hole and try to hide in it.

Please quit being a moron, you are not this stupid.

Did they have American footballs or Rugby balls in ancient Israel? If not your question is completely idiotic.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104409 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Then it should be simple for you. Show the word that meant sphere. I gave you ball/circle(the one I got from Mike. You gave one for circle. But where is your word for sphere or words that could be used to describe a sphere around those times. A ball, a circle could not describe a sphere for they did not even have a effin clue what a sphere was back then. That is a fact that you cannot seem to grasp.
OH MY GAWD!! Yes they did. You were given examples.

Why are you stuck on stupid. Go back an reread the posts.

I guess I need to remind you what the discussion was about.

The Bible in several places describes a Flat Earth, either by word or by action. The specific verse being discusses uses a word that does not mean "sphere". Why do you want the word for ball? You have already been given it. The word used in the verse under discussion is not used for a spherical object, even according to Biblical sources.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#104410 Nov 3, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
And the "Skeptical Monkey" is an expert site? LMMFAO
It is close enough on this subject since they got the answer right. They did not list the particular sources that they used to get their answer. So what? Are you disputing it? I gave Biblical resources that showed they were correct. They also listed some other parts of the Bible that clearly shows the people of that time thought that the Earth was flat. The Bible was written as if the Earth was flat.

One more time, why are you trying to defend the Bible like a fundamentalist?

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

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Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#104412 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
See, when you are wrong you dig a deeper hole and try to hide in it.
Please quit being a moron, you are not this stupid.
Did they have American footballs or Rugby balls in ancient Israel? If not your question is completely idiotic.
You said a ball could be used to be/mean sphere. So is a football or a rug ball spheres? It is a simple yes or no question.

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#104413 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
It is close enough on this subject since they got the answer right. They did not list the particular sources that they used to get their answer. So what? Are you disputing it? I gave Biblical resources that showed they were correct. They also listed some other parts of the Bible that clearly shows the people of that time thought that the Earth was flat. The Bible was written as if the Earth was flat.
One more time, why are you trying to defend the Bible like a fundamentalist?
Look up the origin of the word sphere then get back to me.

Remember Isaiah written around 800BC

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#104414 Nov 3, 2013
Let’s have people input on this one. I know ther will be some make stupid comments but I also know some will be honest. I actually don't expect much but one never knows.

1. How many of you believe they knew what a sphere was 2300yrs ago?

2. How many ways did they have, if any to tell that the earth was even round 2300yrs ago?

3. How many of you think back when the bible was written that they knew earth was even round?

4. How many of you think that if you look out at the horizon over land or water that the earth looks like it ends?

5. If you knew the word circle and you could spin around in a circle and see earth’s horizon out everywhere you looked in that circular spin, would they think 2300yrs ago earth was a circle as well?

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#104415 Nov 3, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
OH MY GAWD!! Yes they did. You were given examples.
Why are you stuck on stupid. Go back an reread the posts.
I guess I need to remind you what the discussion was about.
The Bible in several places describes a Flat Earth, either by word or by action. The specific verse being discusses uses a word that does not mean "sphere". Why do you want the word for ball? You have already been given it. The word used in the verse under discussion is not used for a spherical object, even according to Biblical sources.
They did not even have a effin clue what a sphere was back then. A ball simply meant a ball they played with. A circle simply meant a round shape. Those are facts that you cannot seem to grasp.

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