Evolution vs. Creation

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#104262 Nov 2, 2013
replaytime wrote:
Note bohart says "abiogenesis has never been observed."
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Note Sub says "Wrong, abiogenesis has been observed in the fossil record."
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Note bohart says "I missed that fossil that shows inanimate matter springing to life."
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Note Sub says "Did I claim that fool"
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What an idiot!! Good effin grief Sub.
You say "Did I say that you fool?" The answer would be hellll yes you did with this comment "Wrong, abiogenesis has been observed in the fossil record."
Sub your stupidity just keeps getting worse and worse. This is the only comment you made that I felt was even worthy a reply and it really isn't worthy a reply. What a tard. LOL
this says it all about the sub fool

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#104263 Nov 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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So you donít know either, then why the fook did you bring it up? Sounds like stupidity to me
still sleeping.

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#104264 Nov 2, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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And if halfway through that journey , you make a phone call to someone at your origin ?
Are you talking to the in the future ?
Have you invented a time machine?
Ask science that question.

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#104265 Nov 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Well there were these two particles and they had a big bang then along comes a bouncing baby universe.
No wait a minute, there were these two M strings and they had a big bang then along comes a bouncing baby universe.
No wait a minute there were these two membranes and they had a big bang then along comes a bouncing baby universe.
Ok fun over, there are at least 27 valid and feasible scientific theories that work mathematically. And any number of theories that have not been shown to be mathematically valid (could be because we donít have the math or because they are irrelevant). They all have one thing in common though, no god was required.
Personally I favour the theory of Dr Laura Mersini-Houghton whose premise not only explains how it could have happened, it also explains the three previously unexplainable phenomena in the universe that have baffled cosmologists for years
And you, I know believe with all you belief but no maths, no observation, no logic and no facts and no falsifiability , in the guess postulated by the cosmic ignorance of bronze age man that your goddidit by magic out of void.
Still dreaming.

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#104266 Nov 2, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Nope, that is human imagination, not reality, nothing is actually lost.
I have tried to explain this concept to you before using the example of whales swimming across the date line and it seems that attempt could not get past your ignorance based filtering system
So here is a little experiment, set your watch to some arbitrary and obvious time, say 5:37 and some arbitrary date, say 1st November 2013. Now cross the date line and look at your watch. You will notice that the date has not changes, just your imagination of the date has changed.
That watch is a mechanical or electronic device and not subject to the vagaries of imagination and guess what, it does not imagineÖ
So science according to you is not real.

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#104267 Nov 2, 2013
Crimeariver, your statement, saying, no one knows, is an understand and sheer ignorance.

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#104268 Nov 2, 2013
Typos, i meant, understatement and not understand.

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#104269 Nov 2, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Your are again dodging. I have answered a number of questions for you. it is your turn or from now own be ready for me to show your idiocy daily. Either way it will be fun.
You total f-ing idiot. How can I be dodging when you did not follow through with what you were told you had to do to get the answer you desired?

We were switching back and forth, I had answered your previous question, you never earned the answer you sought. You are the one who is dodging.

It is amazing how you can forget the pertinent facts when you are the one that is in the wrong.

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#104270 Nov 2, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Keep telling yourself that. it makes it no truer now than when you got your @ss kicked last night
Poor, poor little moron. Now you have gone all Black Knight on me.

How are you going to kick anyone's ass when your legs have been cut off.

Poor little masochist. You come here just to get yourself beat every day, whether it is me, MikeF, poly, Chimney1, or the love of your life Dan of Smallville. It seems that you are some strange sort of homosexual stalker.

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#104271 Nov 2, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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So by your thoughts. If you live to be 20 that is evidence you will live to be 30 and that is evidence you will live to be 40 and so on and so on. All probability. Life can end at any moment. That lil Sub is a fact. Life is a gift not a guarantee. You think today is evidence you will be here tomorrow you are sadly mistaken. Trust me it can be taken away at any moment from disease. accident, heart attack, stroke, the hand of another etc etc. it is all probability.
So let's see. When you are shown to be massively wrong, let's try to change the argument.

Yes, life can end at any moment, tard, I never denied that. But living to the age of 60 is very good evidence that you will live to the age of 60 years plus one day. You seem to think that evidence has to be an irrefutable fact. It isn't. That is why a court case, or a scientific theory, relies upon much more than a single piece of evidence.

The fact that you have gotten up for 60 years every morning is very strong evidence that you will wake up, unfortunately, today. It could be shown to be wrong by a lucky "miracle" from God. Personally I don't believe in miracles and you will probably show me to be correct some time today.

SBT
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#104272 Nov 2, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Indeed, but as a creationist you can't help it.
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Well perhaps if you were better at science and less good at lying. Wait, you suck at lying too since you always get caught.
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Of course I have the right. Our hosts don't judge and you are refuted by facts. Ergo YOU are wrong. Twice.
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I agree. That is because that's the straw-man you have created in order to avoid dealing with reality.
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Except for the part where you already admitted your position is invisible Jewmagic. Remember? It was only a couple of weeks ago, recorded on this very thread.
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And correct your constant lies, you forgot that.
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Yes we are.
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Actually we described it better than you did. That's why you've been whining about how mean we are to you rather than address our posts that eviscerated your claims. Fact is you know zip about science. Especially biology.
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Except it's not us who are ignorant, is it? That's why you're so easy to debunk. And the only thing we mock is you, and your lies. And your pathetic martyr complex that pops up every time you get caught lying and you're upset you can't get away with it.
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Actually your claim here is the very height of hubris. If such a being exists the likelihood it is anything like you think it is is EXCEEDINGLY slim. Plus since reality supports OUR position, if such a being exists, you are actually mocking God. Since God used evolution.
Or God is a liar. And is mocking both of us.
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On the contrary, you are astoundingly foolish - you claim reality isn't real because Jews are magic. Then you lie. Then you cry about it like a big jessie-wuss wuss when you get caught. Then you keep lying again.
Fool is not only your first, middle and last names, but apparently written in your personal genome.
Now would you like Bohart to give you a hug?
Well Dude, you constantly mock me and called me a liar,(a real show of bravery as long as www protects you) then flip the tables and ignore the truth in the same breath. You get excited because your evo side is unraveling daily and your upset. As far as poison goes, bet if you drank down those LH aminos that Miller got you would be just as dead as me, wow, that would be a reality check of who's universe you are in. Just type in flagella motor 2013 and see how many papers mention "evolution". Then make an attempt to explain the accidental assembly and workings of a motor no one can replicate nor really understand. That's what we do on this site, right? Rather than ignore the inevitable that your side is clueless to refute this device in any logical way, all we get is Time did it. I say intelligence did it, just like every technological device or mechanism in the non-bio world. Aren't you glad the cell and DNA mechanism has worked so perfectly for all these billions of years and generations right from your ancient beginning? Same code, same system all operating in a parallel realm all unchanged with time? Pop, right out of the soup with a spark with no intelligence involved. First prokaryote has 4+million dna sections all working in perfect order, answer that with mindless self-directed accidents.

You ask for proof? The proof is all around you and in the eyes your read these lines with, then turn as say - there's no God, time did it..

http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/a-questio...
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/genesis-a...
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/genesis-a...
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/the-quest...

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#104273 Nov 2, 2013
SBT wrote:
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Well Dude, you constantly mock me and called me a liar,(a real show of bravery as long as www protects you) then flip the tables and ignore the truth in the same breath. You get excited because your evo side is unraveling daily and your upset. As far as poison goes, bet if you drank down those LH aminos that Miller got you would be just as dead as me, wow, that would be a reality check of who's universe you are in. Just type in flagella motor 2013 and see how many papers mention "evolution". Then make an attempt to explain the accidental assembly and workings of a motor no one can replicate nor really understand. That's what we do on this site, right? Rather than ignore the inevitable that your side is clueless to refute this device in any logical way, all we get is Time did it. I say intelligence did it, just like every technological device or mechanism in the non-bio world. Aren't you glad the cell and DNA mechanism has worked so perfectly for all these billions of years and generations right from your ancient beginning? Same code, same system all operating in a parallel realm all unchanged with time? Pop, right out of the soup with a spark with no intelligence involved. First prokaryote has 4+million dna sections all working in perfect order, answer that with mindless self-directed accidents.
You ask for proof? The proof is all around you and in the eyes your read these lines with, then turn as say - there's no God, time did it..
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/a-questio...
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/genesis-a...
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/genesis-a...
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/the-quest...
Your bravery from the anonymity of the web is the same as everyone else's. Very much the hypocrite of you to single out someone else using that as a disparaging remark. Unless you are trying to say that your legal name is SBT.

You are dead? You must be because you don't lie. If you are lying than that confirms what the Dude said.

If you Google using a single search term, that is a very limited search and you will likely miss a lot of results. But considering that you probably stop as soon as you find something that agrees with your point, I am not surprised at your limitations. However, in searching myself, I find that in most cases, the articles I have found, even those by creationist propaganda sites, associate the baterial flagella and the word "evolution."

Now you are trying to turn time into your straw man and beat that up as if time was the only factor involved in evolution. You are wasting your time.

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#104274 Nov 2, 2013
replaytime wrote:
MikeF and I seem to get along but as he said that does not mean he won't give me a hard time when needed.
True.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#104275 Nov 2, 2013
SBT wrote:
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Well Dude, you constantly mock me and called me a liar,(a real show of bravery as long as www protects you) then flip the tables and ignore the truth in the same breath. You get excited because your evo side is unraveling daily and your upset. As far as poison goes, bet if you drank down those LH aminos that Miller got you would be just as dead as me, wow, that would be a reality check of who's universe you are in. Just type in flagella motor 2013 and see how many papers mention "evolution". Then make an attempt to explain the accidental assembly and workings of a motor no one can replicate nor really understand. That's what we do on this site, right? Rather than ignore the inevitable that your side is clueless to refute this device in any logical way, all we get is Time did it. I say intelligence did it, just like every technological device or mechanism in the non-bio world. Aren't you glad the cell and DNA mechanism has worked so perfectly for all these billions of years and generations right from your ancient beginning? Same code, same system all operating in a parallel realm all unchanged with time? Pop, right out of the soup with a spark with no intelligence involved. First prokaryote has 4+million dna sections all working in perfect order, answer that with mindless self-directed accidents.
You ask for proof? The proof is all around you and in the eyes your read these lines with, then turn as say - there's no God, time did it..
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/a-questio...
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/genesis-a...
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/genesis-a...
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/the-quest...
Classic anti-logic, answer the question and then find reasons it must be so. You fool yourself perfectly when you find out exactly what you set out to find.

SBT
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#104276 Nov 2, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Your bravery from the anonymity of the web is the same as everyone else's. Very much the hypocrite of you to single out someone else using that as a disparaging remark. Unless you are trying to say that your legal name is SBT.
You are dead? You must be because you don't lie. If you are lying than that confirms what the Dude said.
If you Google using a single search term, that is a very limited search and you will likely miss a lot of results. But considering that you probably stop as soon as you find something that agrees with your point, I am not surprised at your limitations. However, in searching myself, I find that in most cases, the articles I have found, even those by creationist propaganda sites, associate the baterial flagella and the word "evolution."
Now you are trying to turn time into your straw man and beat that up as if time was the only factor involved in evolution. You are wasting your time.
So I offered a technically accurate explanation relative to the complexity of the flagella proton powered motor, no one soul here has offered any rebuttal to counter my conclusions - that that tiny little device is unparraleled in design and complexity and so far all all have got is attacks, no science no technical refutation, no quotes, nothing just, "Oh that was solved long ago", "that doesnt matter" etc. etc.. Problem is with you folks is that you have no understantding at all about what the definition of terms are no more than the ability to refute a thing I stated. The unit is irrefutably complex and all mans efforts to figure out how it works fall short, God is laughing at you all over this. He put it there on purpose, it was there all along for this time, so I will put it on a simple platter for for you. Its an engine that run's on Protons, its organized like no engine on earth, it runs on energy we don't understand, it spins on bushings, it has a stator and a rotor that use magnetic energy fields to create thrust within the physics laws identified by Faraday, furthered by Tesla, but it mocks Tesla's AC motor, as it can vari in speed and reverse like a dc motor but runs on AC motor principals and parts, and uses an infinitely small control mechanism that schools the best PLC units (i work with them)in the world which we don't understand and synchronizes like multiple 747 engines in another layer we also don't understand. When you answer these questions come back, then please explain why the DNA and cell mechanism have not evolved in your 4 billion years and operated in mindless parallel to your notion of common decent and increasing complexity, changeless in all that time!

SBT
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#104277 Nov 2, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Classic anti-logic, answer the question and then find reasons it must be so. You fool yourself perfectly when you find out exactly what you set out to find.
Like my post above, please give me refutation on physics, definitions, operating principals, electrical formulas, quotes from links about the evolutionary development of the axial proton flagella engine and I will look it over, anything but more lectures about how I am so in error. Thanks.

SBT
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#104278 Nov 2, 2013
FYI,

The Flagella has a clutch and spins up to 100,000 rpm, fwd and rev and any speed between.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15037363 - no evolution mentioned

Yale Paper;
http://jb.asm.org/content/181/23/7149.full
- no evolution mentioned

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Everett, WA

#104279 Nov 2, 2013
SBT wrote:
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Like my post above, please give me refutation on physics, definitions, operating principals, electrical formulas, quotes from links about the evolutionary development of the axial proton flagella engine and I will look it over, anything but more lectures about how I am so in error. Thanks.
One more time. Here is the paper that is based upon peer reviewed journal articles that debunks your idiocy:

http://tinyurl.com/njdwh

What aspect of the evolution of the flagellum do you wish to discuss?

Please note that this paper refers to roughly 200 peer reviewed articles. It was not done lightly.

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Everett, WA

#104280 Nov 2, 2013
SBT wrote:
FYI,
The Flagella has a clutch and spins up to 100,000 rpm, fwd and rev and any speed between.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15037363 - no evolution mentioned
Yale Paper;
http://jb.asm.org/content/181/23/7149.full
- no evolution mentioned
Why do you think that the obvious must be mentioned in every article?

Those scientists all knew that the flagellum is a product of evolution. Their audience knows that the flagellum is a product of evolution.

Do you think that every peer reviewed article about the Earth has to mention the fact that it is spherical? Scientists don't need to reinvent the wheel for every claim of theirs. That is what peer review is for. If you disagree with the peer review then they have to show evidence that supports their claims. It takes no special evidence to agree with past claims that have passed peer review.

SBT
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#104281 Nov 2, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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One more time. Here is the paper that is based upon peer reviewed journal articles that debunks your idiocy:
http://tinyurl.com/njdwh
What aspect of the evolution of the flagellum do you wish to discuss?
Please note that this paper refers to roughly 200 peer reviewed articles. It was not done lightly.
I read that one way back, summarized as follows, we have a substrate, then a diode, then a transistor, then an IC, then a computer with out intelligence then presto we obviously have a proton powered motor for our tiny little bacteria. Common decent evolutionary Nano-homology style at its worst. No reconciliation of the convergent and complex information required to make these jumps, and as all these part and party life forms live at the same time today, the notion of evo common decent theory falls again. Its a cut and tape job and a decade behind the times. I give you credit for an answer, better than the rest here. Try the Yale paper,he touches on origin's in his summary. I really doubt he and Berg at Harvard would debate this but I will see if they will say anything to me about it.. Thanks.

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