Evolution vs. Creation

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#103757 Oct 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You have completely ignored my posts that have shown you to be wrong, it is only fair that I ignore yours.
The flagellum is relatively simple. If you had read the article you would now that the steps necessary were less than fifty.
Is it any wonder that creatards like you are laughed at when they deny what has already been shown to be true?
Sure, show me up with evidence of the development of the flagellar motor that I couldn't provide in my last post. I will have to look back at your post. I must have missed it.

Doesn't look good for SBT.

Get three coffins ready.

My mistake. Four coffins...

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#103759 Oct 28, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
Tell me Chuckie doesn't say "the" and "only" in post #103533. Tell me ants are not a dominant species or that faith healers "stand a prayer" against any number of disease organisms.
Tell me that is the one Tike replied to! Oh that's right it isn't. So what was your point again?:-)

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#103760 Oct 29, 2013
There is no real debate. The creation story in the bible is clearly a myth. Before the end of the first chapter we can dismiss it. The story has night and day before there is a sun. It also has plants growing before there is a sun.
Come on people, time to accept the Creation story is a myth written by ignorant Bronze Age goat herders. It's understandable that they didn't know moonlight is a reflection of sunlight, but how can you here, in the 21st Century be so ignorant?

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#103761 Oct 29, 2013
Ok who is up for some questions?

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#103762 Oct 29, 2013
SBT wrote:
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All the lit on the Prokaryote show it with a flagella.
So from a picture you assume that all prokaryotes have one and that the earliest ones did? Even though biologists painstakingly point out that the flagellum has to be the result of multiple evolutionary steps over millions of years? Even though any biology book dealing with bacteria will doubtlessly show many pitures of bacteria with and without flagella?

I am sorry but the only words I can use to describe your claim is its bloody stupid. Very, very stupid. One of the dumbest creationist attempts at distorting what biologists claim yet, and these liars have tried just about everything.

If a representative picture of a mammal had a tail would that mean biologists assume all mammals have tails?

PS Denton is an evolutionist. Cheers.

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#103763 Oct 29, 2013
Ok I take that back about Denton.

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#103764 Oct 29, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Charlie boy, I hate to break it to you, but you are an animal too.
The only difference between you and any other mammal is that you have an overgrown cerebrum. It seems that as its a very recent evolutionary trend, some like you have not quite yet learned how to use it effectively.
Thanks Chim, i am not disputing our animal nature, the issue is that, our level of intelligence is higher.

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#103765 Oct 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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You really do not understand do you?
Yes and humans can be tamed by humans, so what? Rather like some human captive who is tortured into submission, the a lion (for example) will bide itís time, until given a chance and it will then make a tasty snack of itís torturer.
There are animals that dominate other animals in the same group. There are species that dominate other species. There are species in which gender is dominant. There a plants that dominate other plants.
Some species use other species as slaves or helpers. Some species live in total synergy with other species.
Some animals can be devious and cheat and lie, just like humans can.
Tell me, is it your distinct lack of education or your religious deliberate ignorance that tells you that humans are the only dominant animal?
Babel fish.only dead fish go with the flow.

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#103766 Oct 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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You really do not understand do you?
Yes and humans can be tamed by humans, so what? Rather like some human captive who is tortured into submission, the a lion (for example) will bide itís time, until given a chance and it will then make a tasty snack of itís torturer.
There are animals that dominate other animals in the same group. There are species that dominate other species. There are species in which gender is dominant. There a plants that dominate other plants.
Some species use other species as slaves or helpers. Some species live in total synergy with other species.
Some animals can be devious and cheat and lie, just like humans can.
Tell me, is it your distinct lack of education or your religious deliberate ignorance that tells you that humans are the only dominant animal?
Trash. The only habitable planet is planet. No projections or guessing here.

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#103767 Oct 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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You really do not understand do you?
Yes and humans can be tamed by humans, so what? Rather like some human captive who is tortured into submission, the a lion (for example) will bide itís time, until given a chance and it will then make a tasty snack of itís torturer.
There are animals that dominate other animals in the same group. There are species that dominate other species. There are species in which gender is dominant. There a plants that dominate other plants.
Some species use other species as slaves or helpers. Some species live in total synergy with other species.
Some animals can be devious and cheat and lie, just like humans can.
Tell me, is it your distinct lack of education or your religious deliberate ignorance that tells you that humans are the only dominant animal?
To your imaginary trash, if those lines do not exist, why are we using them?

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#103768 Oct 29, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Babel fish.only dead fish go with the flow.
Say what? Too much wacky backy again?

Fish go whichever way they want, the flow has very little to do with it.
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Trash. The only habitable planet is planet. No projections or guessing here.
We know you donít keep up with scientific discoveries but that is no excuse for your ignorance.
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> To your imaginary trash, if those lines do not exist, why are we using them?
You fooking ignorant moron, I am not explaining it again just because you are incapable of learning anything after being told five times already so tough for you.

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#103769 Oct 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Of course animals can never reason like humans, they are not humans and humans can never reason like animals
That does not mean that some animals are not intelligent, however it does mean that only human animals are human.
You shout that you want others to think, try your own medicine now and again, you may find it enlightening.
Ofcourse other animals level of intelligence is higher, but that of the humans, are more higher; Nuts.

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#103770 Oct 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Yes and?
Why are you assuming a pig would wear lipstick? Is this one of your fetishes?
Get a clue on idioms or figurative expressions. Humans level of intelligence are always higher. Nuts.

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#103771 Oct 29, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Will Charles ever come to terms with being a mammal?
My understanding of science may be quite different from yours, i do know we are mammals, primates, animals, etc, but our level of intelligence supercedes others. Period.

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#103772 Oct 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Nope, it upsets his god given belief that his god made him special
You are really a Numbskull.
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#103773 Oct 29, 2013
SBT wrote:
The complexity of the axial motor and its appearance as the very first primorial cell controverts your assumed age model, admit it!
We don't have to, as there's no evidence to demonstrate it even existed at that time. But if you WANT to beat up a straw-man instead of the real thing you're doing a terrific job.
SBT wrote:
How many mutations would it take to get this right even if every one was a perfect jackpot every throw?
This being a perfect example. Jackpots aren't necessary. All you need is for something to survive and its progeny to change a little bit, and for that to survive. Many won't, but some will. Therefore a little change again, same thing happens all over again. Eventually change accumulates. This is observed.
SBT wrote:
Let's start with just one proton energized micro-stator coil
Streaming out big words while talking about a subject you don't have the slightest clue about only demonstrates to the entire world that you're bullshitting. I mean it's not as if anyone here doesn't know it.(shrug)
SBT wrote:
Double PhD Denton comments on the motor
Denton thinks you're full of crap. We've known this for decades, but your side still hasn't bothered to update their books - meaning they are either seriously misinformed, or lying.

(and still seriously misinformed)

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#103774 Oct 29, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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I'm quite sure that Charles has been referred to as "Special" on several occasions.
Views or ideology can never be the same, yes or no?
The Dude

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#103775 Oct 29, 2013
SBT wrote:
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I missed your explanation on how evolution made this motor and where the additional data came from, or where the intermediate forms are found or where evolution in bacteria is adding parts like this today or a mechanism or the science relative to the matter here? Without these i'm just wrong because i'm not an evolution believer? Till then I will live in my bliss.
No, you're wrong because you're wrong. You also missed that the entire premise of your argument was refuted by the existence of Yersinia pestis, something which I pointed out to you weeks ago now. See, you're under the mistaken impression that we need to provide you with a mutation by mutation account for every single biological lineage on this entire planet for 4 billion years, while all you need to do is shout "GODDIDIT!" any time we can't.

Meanwhile in reality all we need to do is demonstrate how the evidence unequivocally demonstrates common ancestry, something which we've done time and time again on this forum, and can do again. And since you guys NEVER actually bother to address our posts anyway it always remains unrefuted.

And again since your position requires you to be a massive hypocrite I am obliged to point out that you still have been unable to present a rational explanation for why an all-powerful universe-creating being is incapable of such a simple thing like evolution.

I want you to demonstrate God's limits which YOU claim He has. Until then, yes, you WILL remain living in bliss. And lying as you do so.

Something from which I understand your religion says you're not allowed to do.

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#103776 Oct 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I would not say billions but certainly many millions.
The majority of christians are only in it for the companionship, unlike Charles they do not actually believe goddidit by magic. This is actually more prevalent in the higher echelons of the church where even companionship takes a back seat to a regular salary.
But even so, very scary that people can let a bronze age idea dictate what they are and are not willing to learn
First class ignorance. Now do you know the exact time of your end? No! But that time must surely, this is not chance or coincident but, God.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#103777 Oct 29, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
Remember that none of this interferes or refutes the belief in God.
It is if your god is a big jessie-wuss wuss, like SBT's.

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