Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 173405 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Ditat Deus”

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#103421 Oct 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I can Google, it is from Virginia's slave code:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1p268.html
And no, it is not correct today. It was not correct in the past.
And this is the important difference between man made science and laws and between man made myths. In man made science and laws we have the ability to correct errors. Things that people got wrong in the past can be corrected or amended. Sometimes entire laws are thrown out. Sometimes they are only tweaked a little bit.
Your Bible has not self correction mechanism. In fact Jesus himself stated that not one whit or jot of law would be changed. In other words he defended the maters right to beat a slave until he was almost dead. In fact if it took the slave four days to die he was off the hook.
Think how much better Christianity would be received around the world if they could go back and say, "No, we were wrong when we said the Earth was flat." Or "No, we were wrong when we said it is okay for a man to rape a woman, as long as he pays the father of the woman, not the woman, a nominal fee, and marries the woman." Or, "Man were we ever wrong about all aspects of slavery!" But your book of myths does not have that capability and that is why we know that it is a book of myths.
Very good.

Now that you can understand how Biblical laws of slavery are insignificant just like US laws of slavery.

Because just like the old US laws, the biblical laws were written for a specific people in a specific region during a specific time.

You dumb ass atheists think "it's written in the bible so all Christians must obey it". Why don't you think the same about old US laws?!

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#103422 Oct 26, 2013
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woodtick does not hate God.
How can you hate something that does not exist?
Do you hate Santa Claus? The Easter Bunny? Smokey the Bear?
Naw, you know who really chaps my ass? That damned Groundhog. Grrr

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#103423 Oct 26, 2013
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So you actually believe what's bad, good and moral are on a sliding scale, that changes within "context, time, religion, local/regional laws, etc.?"
Absolutely.

What is good, bad and moral is 100% relative to each region and time.

There are societies out there that believe cannibalism is a right of passage. They think it's good. We don't.

There are societies out there that think incest is the best way to keep a family line. They think that's moral, we don't.

There are cultures out there that think eating a dog or a horse is fine dining. They think that's good, we don't.

What rock do you live under?

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#103424 Oct 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That said there has been studies, like you said.
But they only posted one, this blog.
http://blogs.nature.com/nascent/2005/12/compa...
LMAO!
Is that what call 'independent studies"?!
What was wrong with that study?

I am trying to be polite to you but this sort of stupidity is inexcusable. In the very early days of Wikipedia there were some serious flaws in it. They corrected most of those. Why do you think that a site cannot improve? If you want to claim that the burden of proof is upon you. You have not supplied anything that supports your ignorant stance on Wikipedia.

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#103425 Oct 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Very good.
Now that you can understand how Biblical laws of slavery are insignificant just like US laws of slavery.
Because just like the old US laws, the biblical laws were written for a specific people in a specific region during a specific time.
You dumb ass atheists think "it's written in the bible so all Christians must obey it". Why don't you think the same about old US laws?!
Wrong, not according to your own Bible. Jesus himself said not one law was to change.

Of course most Christians do not know what their Bible actually says.

“So it's not you, It's them?”

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#103426 Oct 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Absolutely.
What is good, bad and moral is 100% relative to each region and time.
There are societies out there that believe cannibalism is a right of passage. They think it's good. We don't.
There are societies out there that think incest is the best way to keep a family line. They think that's moral, we don't.
There are cultures out there that think eating a dog or a horse is fine dining. They think that's good, we don't.
What rock do you live under?
No it's never relative. Bad and immoral behavior might be culturally or societally accepted in some place, at certain times. Acceptance alone doesn't make that behavior good or moral. Even if a certain abberant behavior was "accepted", a moral guy would choose to not engage in it. A guy with a strong moral compass would know that.

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#103427 Oct 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Very good.
Now that you can understand how Biblical laws of slavery are insignificant just like US laws of slavery.
Because just like the old US laws, the biblical laws were written for a specific people in a specific region during a specific time.
You dumb ass atheists think "it's written in the bible so all Christians must obey it". Why don't you think the same about old US laws?!
DANFS is right. You are on a sliding scale.
How can you call yourself christian is THOUGH SHALT NOT KILL is not considered relevant. Nor such statements as in ALL ARE EQUAL FOR THE LAW (reminisant of the golden rule to treat others as you would like to be treated, which is still from my old days as Goddes MAAT so more than 5000 years at least old) if you make it up just as it suits you.
Humanism still faces a steep battle with people this ignorant of universal truths.

Economic gain is a better motor than any godmade one is what your saying.(even though evo made them both)

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#103428 Oct 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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If you would like to see it again I will gladly dig it up and post it for you. I finally found a way around this sites dislike for links to TalkOrigins.
No thanks for offering...it is stored, i just have to figure out why the dang thing does react slow and then chooses for me...It's alive!
But i thought the same in term of talkoriginsphobia, since talkorigins has everything covered (even the Atacama as in no floods).
I'm not a big You tube fan, i rather read, but with these people it's the other way around.

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#103429 Oct 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Absolutely.
What is good, bad and moral is 100% relative to each region and time.
There are societies out there that believe cannibalism is a right of passage. They think it's good. We don't.
There are societies out there that think incest is the best way to keep a family line. They think that's moral, we don't.
There are cultures out there that think eating a dog or a horse is fine dining. They think that's good, we don't.
What rock do you live under?
Really funny.
Could you source those opinions?

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#103430 Oct 26, 2013
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<quoted text>you don't get my point?!? you would worship a god that condones slavery? really?
Reading SBT pledge for life with a ring, is Roman customs, so i think he is confusing choosing to be free from an AKKADIAN BAAL=unity or bond of different people/tribes.(So a different meaning from the usual either also crucified and resurrected god Baal that had a son fromAntiochan turf where the bible was mostly written since Eusebius and Jerome resided there, and the simple meaning of 'lord' on considered to be ruling.)with some contrived ideas christians and especially messies have all the time.
A new bond of free people was formed.
Well not going to explain the entire book.

Nor address the point he made about blacks not minding it. Church was the only place to gather freely if not burned down by socalled christians.
Slavery before Arabs and Europeans became involved was more a case of bondslavery, paying of a debt and then just for a certain amount of time or becoming part of a different tribe after a while. Never as vile as it was under those above two groups.

Well he should know that.
But apparently people not living under rocks do not know all of this. ;-)

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#103431 Oct 26, 2013
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Really funny.
Could you source those opinions?
If his brains allowed him to, he couldn't possibly find the time to provide a source. He's a serial topix poster. Let's review! So far, 37,835 posts since 07/12,~2,522.33 posts/mo,~84.07 posts/day,~8.41 posts/hr (assume a 10-hour posting day), 1 post every ~7.13 minutes.

Whew! If he were one of those mythological 5 cent a post ID agents, he's made $1,891.75 here. He's much more concerned with post volume, than accuracy, content, or supporting any of his fundie bloviation here. You folks choose, but I'm probably done feeding the troll. LOL

You fine folks emjoy what's left of your day!

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#103432 Oct 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Te video was still mostly a waste of time. It did have some interesting video on how the Moon may have formed. What led up to that was pretty much old had as was what followed.
I asked you a simple question after watching your video, can you answer it?
Ah that you can dig up for me.
Saw a cool documentary on the BBC from the lady that came up with the theory and refined it.

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#103433 Oct 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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What was wrong with that study?
I am trying to be polite to you but this sort of stupidity is inexcusable. In the very early days of Wikipedia there were some serious flaws in it. They corrected most of those. Why do you think that a site cannot improve? If you want to claim that the burden of proof is upon you. You have not supplied anything that supports your ignorant stance on Wikipedia.
There's nothing wrong with that study. It shows that the encyclopedia brittanica is more reliable than wiki.

Anyways, you said there are multiple independent studies, then you posted a blog to prove it.

Kinda odd....

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#103434 Oct 26, 2013
Just to be complete (and the amalgam of different vigorating laws in the new contract law of at least 26 'testaments'.)and sourced.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
Slavery a.o.t.

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#103435 Oct 26, 2013
Chilli J wrote:
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If his brains allowed him to, he couldn't possibly find the time to provide a source. He's a serial topix poster. Let's review! So far, 37,835 posts since 07/12,~2,522.33 posts/mo,~84.07 posts/day,~8.41 posts/hr (assume a 10-hour posting day), 1 post every ~7.13 minutes.
Whew! If he were one of those mythological 5 cent a post ID agents, he's made $1,891.75 here. He's much more concerned with post volume, than accuracy, content, or supporting any of his fundie bloviation here. You folks choose, but I'm probably done feeding the troll. LOL
You fine folks emjoy what's left of your day!
will do.
Go figure as in the above.

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#103436 Oct 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Wrong, not according to your own Bible. Jesus himself said not one law was to change.
Of course most Christians do not know what their Bible actually says.
Yes, Jesus said he came to fulfill the law, not to enforce it.

Matthew 5:17-18

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Here's a good example of an Old Testament law that Jesus changed, or fulfilled for us.

Exodus 21:24

eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Then later in the New Testament:

Matthew 5:38-48

38 You have heard that it was said,Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Let's see if you are capable of learning against your indoctrination....

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#103437 Oct 26, 2013
Chilli J wrote:
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No it's never relative. Bad and immoral behavior might be culturally or societally accepted in some place, at certain times. Acceptance alone doesn't make that behavior good or moral. Even if a certain abberant behavior was "accepted", a moral guy would choose to not engage in it. A guy with a strong moral compass would know that.
Oh. Huh... A string moral compass you say? Who gets to define what that is? You? Me? Obama? The Taliban? The Aztecs? Who?

Then lemme ask you, would a 'moral' guy take a dick up the ass?

Would a 'moral' guy shoot and kill someone?

Would a 'moral' guy eat another human?

Would a 'moral' guy piss on his girlfriend and call it kinky?

Would a 'moral' guy kill a chicken for food?

What is moral and what is a good moral compass differs. There's no constant for it.

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#103438 Oct 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:

Absolutely.
What is good, bad and moral is 100% relative to each region and time.
There are societies out there that believe cannibalism is a right of passage. They think it's good. We don't.
There are societies out there that think incest is the best way to keep a family line. They think that's moral, we don't.
There are cultures out there that think eating a dog or a horse is fine dining. They think that's good, we don't.
What rock do you live under?
MAAT wrote:
Really funny.
Could you source those opinions?
Seriously??

Incest is legal right here in the US, in New Jersey. Look it up.

In the orient, dog is a delicacy.

In Europe, horse is a delicacy.

Are you seriously this naive?

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#103439 Oct 26, 2013
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Just to be complete (and the amalgam of different vigorating laws in the new contract law of at least 26 'testaments'.)and sourced.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
Slavery a.o.t.
Very good.

Did you even read it?

It starts with:(guess what?) "Hebrew Slaves".

Thanks for your help!

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#103440 Oct 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh. Huh... A string moral compass you say? Who gets to define what that is? You? Me? Obama? The Taliban? The Aztecs? Who?
Then lemme ask you, would a 'moral' guy take a dick up the ass?
Would a 'moral' guy shoot and kill someone?
Would a 'moral' guy eat another human?
Would a 'moral' guy piss on his girlfriend and call it kinky?
Would a 'moral' guy kill a chicken for food?
What is moral and what is a good moral compass differs. There's no constant for it.
Typical sick fundamentalist. Can turn from discussing the Bible to using shock vulgarity with equal enthusiasm.

What you choose to do in your personal life with chickens, men and pee is your own business.

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