Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 168995 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#103380 Oct 26, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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According to the Bible, it seems that God did all that you mention. Maybe that's why agnostics/atheists don't automatically believe in an "intelligent designer".
the god of the bible certainly wasn't intelligent...

SBT
Level 2

Since: Jun 13

United States

#103381 Oct 26, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>so wouldn't your god intervene in people killing in his name/ oh yeah, i forgot again, he condones that very clearly...
and you worship that man-made god! he even condones slavery...you know people in cages...
We are free agents, at some point He does pull the plug - like with Hitler or Saddam i believe.

On slavery, I don't see that in the big 10. You could say when my kids were young we ran a "benevolent dictatorship". When God allowed the Babylonians to enslave Israel He did not act like it was a party for them..In the OT the entire nation was in slavery so I don't really get your point. Rules of treatment were set out because people had slaves, a slave could pledge himself for life by adding an earring, or be set free and join society, these rules God made because as faith spread across the world people couldn't just cut loose the slaves they had, they would have starved to death. When you had entire nations enslaved at that time God set some ground rules, is that a bad thing? Black slaves had no trouble accepting Christ or believing the Bible as the Word of God so what's the big deal?

I am enslaved by taxes, I don't pay I lose my property so - I have to work, no option. Don't pay income taxes and I go into slavery in prison (unless I work at the White House. Being a slave, to what? Most all the anti-slavery advocates (Wilberforce for one) were Christians so I can never get where folks black-mark Scripture as a pro-slave book.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#103382 Oct 26, 2013
SBT wrote:
<quoted text>We are free agents, at some point He does pull the plug - like with Hitler or Saddam i believe.

On slavery, I don't see that in the big 10. You could say when my kids were young we ran a "benevolent dictatorship". When God allowed the Babylonians to enslave Israel He did not act like it was a party for them..In the OT the entire nation was in slavery so I don't really get your point. Rules of treatment were set out because people had slaves, a slave could pledge himself for life by adding an earring, or be set free and join society, these rules God made because as faith spread across the world people couldn't just cut loose the slaves they had, they would have starved to death. When you had entire nations enslaved at that time God set some ground rules, is that a bad thing? Black slaves had no trouble accepting Christ or believing the Bible as the Word of God so what's the big deal?

I am enslaved by taxes, I don't pay I lose my property so - I have to work, no option. Don't pay income taxes and I go into slavery in prison (unless I work at the White House. Being a slave, to what? Most all the anti-slavery advocates (Wilberforce for one) were Christians so I can never get where folks black-mark Scripture as a pro-slave book.
So you're 'enslaved by taxes'.

Poor baby.

Are you REALLY trying to equate that with actual, PHYSICAL slavery?

SBT
Level 2

Since: Jun 13

United States

#103383 Oct 26, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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You write:
"...explain how an Axial Proton Motor jumped out of that primordial soup of yours and I may take you more seriously."
I believe that was explained a few years ago. Not too long after Michael Behe wrote that it was part of 'irreducible complexity' and could not be explained by 'evolution'
If I remember correctly the Blog "Pandas Thumb" and P.Z. Meyers' Blog (both written by evolutionary/DNA scientists) deconstructed Mr. Behe's false argument quite handily.
More research has come out. As the Prokaryote Bac have a flagella, this motor was there in the first evolutionary cell so someone must move the time goal posts another several billion years back or face the facts, such complexity cannot self form,

http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/a-questio...

The motor is a combination AC/DC unit but it runs on protons. They say it's 100% efficient, it schools any manmade device unless you read discussions by evolutionary biologist's and not motor engineers. The stators are arranged in perfect azimuth positions and rotation is variable and reversible at will, something no AC motor with a stator and rotor can perform. Proton flow is sequenced to each stator in PLC timing fashion. If time can make anything without intelligence I guess you could "believe" such a device jumped out of the soup, but writing wordy papers doesn't make a 747 jump out of a junk yard in reality. This analogy is accurate.
John Cruz

Hanoi, Vietnam

#103384 Oct 26, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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So you're 'enslaved by taxes'.
Poor baby.
Are you REALLY trying to equate that with actual, PHYSICAL slavery?
Kong_! U leading Edward Snowden to Kong_Hong = Hong Kong to search for Jesus?!!!;-000

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#103385 Oct 26, 2013
SBT wrote:
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We are free agents, at some point He does pull the plug - like with Hitler or Saddam i believe.
On slavery, I don't see that in the big 10. You could say when my kids were young we ran a "benevolent dictatorship". When God allowed the Babylonians to enslave Israel He did not act like it was a party for them..In the OT the entire nation was in slavery so I don't really get your point. Rules of treatment were set out because people had slaves, a slave could pledge himself for life by adding an earring, or be set free and join society, these rules God made because as faith spread across the world people couldn't just cut loose the slaves they had, they would have starved to death. When you had entire nations enslaved at that time God set some ground rules, is that a bad thing? Black slaves had no trouble accepting Christ or believing the Bible as the Word of God so what's the big deal?
I am enslaved by taxes, I don't pay I lose my property so - I have to work, no option. Don't pay income taxes and I go into slavery in prison (unless I work at the White House. Being a slave, to what? Most all the anti-slavery advocates (Wilberforce for one) were Christians so I can never get where folks black-mark Scripture as a pro-slave book.
you don't get my point?!? you would worship a god that condones slavery? really?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#103386 Oct 26, 2013
SBT wrote:
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so I can never get where folks black-mark Scripture as a pro-slave book.
perhaps you should go to where your god clearly states it is OK to own slaves...

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

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#103387 Oct 26, 2013
SBT wrote:
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So if the Moon is escaping orbit @ 1.5"/year, the math blows away a long age assertion for the the moons origin, right? Russ Humpheys did the math predicting the average magnetism along the outer planets prior to the Voyager II mission equipped to measure this..,he was dead on. Now Astrophysicists have another issue to deal with, their Dark Matter dissolved, so how are they going to keep the entire universe together for even a million years, some galaxies they see coming apart now? So who do we believe? One can't ignore reason and math, such findings must be inserted into origins thinking.
http://www.icr.org/article/beyond-neptune-voy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =UtFjGvf6QFgXX
http://www.icr.org/article/6814/
And here we see the difference between science and religion.

When faced with the mystery of the moons recession the religious proclaim it proves God and are content in their ignorance.
Scientists instead are delighted because there's a new mystery that needs to be solved, and solved it they have.

The moon's recession is caused by the tides especially where they meet shallow seas which causes friction.

In the distant past there were less daily tides. This is because the moon goes round the earth in the same direction as the earth rotates. So when the moon was closer it circled the earth quicker resulting in less difference between months and days and hence less tides.

Another important point is the movement of the continents due to plate tectonics.
At present the arrangement of the continents create barriers to the tides (North and south America. Europe and Africa) causing a great deal of tidal friction. In the past where the continent were joined together into one or spread out more, the tidal friction was less.

The mistake young earth creationist make here is to presume tidal forces are a constant and have never changed. They're not, and they have.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#103388 Oct 26, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>perhaps you should go to where your god clearly states it is OK to own slaves...
re-reading that comment, i should have stated:
perhaps you should go to where in the bible it clearly states that your god says it is OK to own slaves...

“Ditat Deus”

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Since: Jul 12

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#103389 Oct 26, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Just a small part of thousands.
No hope for you my friend....sorry to bother you.
lol

You read it on the Internet and now you believe it.

That's your problem.

And your belief.

“Ditat Deus”

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Since: Jul 12

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#103390 Oct 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:

Wiki is actually a very reliable source. Independent tests have shown it to be as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica.
Which tests?

I won't read the read of your posts until you explain this part first.

“Just because it is possible”

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Since: Jan 11

Doesn't mean it will happen.

#103391 Oct 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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What a sore loser moron you turned out to be.
Next thing you know you will be saying that Mark Twain did not write Mark Twain did not write The Adventures of Tom Sawyer, the author of that work was Samuel Clemens. And you got the reason that Leone used a pseudonym wrong too. I guess being wrong on one level is not enough for you.
What an amazing lying hypocrite you are. It is nice to draw out your true self. This is an amazing failure on your part. A simple, slightly tricky question and you fall into a million pieces. You are a load of crap, a lying one at that, and always will be.
Mark Twain didn't write Tom Sawyer.

“Ditat Deus”

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#103392 Oct 26, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>re-reading that comment, i should have stated:
perhaps you should go to where in the bible it clearly states that your god says it is OK to own slaves...
Who does it say it's ok for?

“Ditat Deus”

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#103393 Oct 26, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>re-reading that comment, i should have stated:
perhaps you should go to where in the bible it clearly states that your god says it is OK to own slaves...
Tell us where this came from:

"If any slave resists his master...correcting such a slave, and shall happen to be killed in such correction...the master shall be free of all punishment...as if such accident never happened."

It IS written.

Then tell us that it still applies today.

I dare you.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Lakeland, FL

#103394 Oct 26, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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What??? Now you are just lying your @ss off. That is where responded and said "Once again, the famous dodge".
Dodge what?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Lakeland, FL

#103395 Oct 26, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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When you ask me a question most times I will answer in what I believe, what I think and/or my opinion. A simple yes or no is not always the only answer unless you are just sheeple that follow the crowd and do as they do without thinking for yourself.
You know better than that.

I have asked you a straightforward question several times. You have beat around the bush each time rather than supplying a straightforward answer.

And in this case, a simple yes or no answer would be appropriate.

But you're not willing to do that. I get it.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Lakeland, FL

#103396 Oct 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I dunno.
Why would a fish want to live on land?
How did it drastically change from a fist to a land animal?
Why did some of them go back to the water?
Predators, food and/or the environment
RiversideRedneck wrote:
And why didn't those that went back devolve their lungs back in to gills?
Wasn't needed. And there is no devolve.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Why do whales have a pelvic bone?
They once had legs. Some still have reminants of them.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#103397 Oct 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell us where this came from:
"If any slave resists his master...correcting such a slave, and shall happen to be killed in such correction...the master shall be free of all punishment...as if such accident never happened."
It IS written.
Then tell us that it still applies today.
I dare you.
what does that have to do with anything we are talking about? your false god clearly states he thinks it is OK to own other people and you worship that god...

how can you worship a god that even once thought it was Ok to own slaves. and if he changed his mind or was wrong about that, doesn't that also disprove the infallible god your cult attempted to create?(among all the other errors that god made...)

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#103398 Oct 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Who does it say it's ok for?
why would that matter? can any real god condone owning another human being?

“Ditat Deus”

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#103399 Oct 26, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell us where this came from:
"If any slave resists his master...correcting such a slave, and shall happen to be killed in such correction...the master shall be free of all punishment...as if such accident never happened."
It IS written.
Then tell us that it still applies today.
I dare you.
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>what does that have to do with anything we are talking about? your false god clearly states he thinks it is OK to own other people and you worship that god...
how can you worship a god that even once thought it was Ok to own slaves. and if he changed his mind or was wrong about that, doesn't that also disprove the infallible god your cult attempted to create?(among all the other errors that god made...)
You did not follow my instructions, woody.

In doing so, you failed to understand the lesson.

If you choose to remain willfully ignorant so you can hate the bible, I cannot help you.

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