Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 199283 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Ditat Deus”

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#103160 Oct 25, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Hey moron,
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#103161 Oct 25, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No, now you are making the classic Christian mistake of reinterpreting the Bible in light of our present day knowledge. Christians do that with quite a few other verses as well. They reinterpret the Bible to say the Earth is a sphere, when if you read the original and interpret it correctly it says that the Earth is a flat circle. They ignore the parts of the Bible that say the Earth does not move and try to reinterpret other verses that say it does move.
The Bible was written poetically and poetic language is always up to reinterpretation. At best you could say that the Bible may be interpreted many ways. You can never correctly claim nonsense on the order of "the Bible says the Earth and the Sun were created at roughly the same time". The Bible does not support that claim. You have to be both a literalist and a pragmatist at the same time to believe that nonsense. In other words you have to hold contradictory illogical ideas to support that claim.
Don't worry, Christians are not the only ones guilty of this sin. Muslims are past masters at reinterpreting their holy book too.
Actually I am not reinterpreting. I am saying what they bible said 3-5 thousand years ago is similar to what science says today. As far as the flat earth as you claim so often, that is reinterpreting the Bible in light of our present day knowledge. They could not have known the earth was round and by looking out at the horizon it looks flat and that it ends. They also could not know the earth was a sphere either. The origin of the word sphere came around a couple thousand years later. As far as the bible saying the earth sun and moon were created around the same time, it says in seven days God created them all,,,pretty close to the same time

Show me any literature, from any culture, any person around the same time the bible started being written that said earth rotated and was a sphere. Oh wait you can't because back in those days they did not know.

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#103162 Oct 25, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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I know what evolution says and I don't dispute it. But you are talking about a story where it is claimed that the big guy modified it's behavior if not it's structure.
Genesis 3:14
"On your belly you shall go,
and you shall eat dust
All the days of your life."
So evolution wouldn't apply here now would it?
Only in that it's obvious that the Serpent wasn't a snake.

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#103163 Oct 25, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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"In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence." - Irving Copi
A perfectly reasonable position to take.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Copi
Thanks for sharing Irving's opinion.

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#103164 Oct 25, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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By R.R. "logic", it should be an intelligent legless reptile that digests dirt. To my knowledge such a critter does not exist, so it must not have been crafty or cunning enough to stow away on the ark, but I'm sure that they have an anatomically correct model of at least one at the Creation Museum. 0.o
ChromiuMan wrote:
an intelligent legless reptile that digests dirt. To my knowledge such a critter does not exists
O_o

Never heard of a worm?

No much for your 'superior intelligence'.

HA HA HA!!!!

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#103165 Oct 25, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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"Evolution teaches that all this complexity began with a light sensitive spot on a worm, and because it wanted to see, all the other parts just came to be, with time!"
And because it wanted to see???
Too funny.
Ya, evolution is funny that way.

Like how some fishies didn't want to live in the water no more, so they grew legs and skin and the right eyes and hair and lungs so they could live on land.

But some fishies decided it's cooler in the water.

And some of the land fishies decided it was better in the water so they regrew their fishie eyes and find and stuff but kept their lungs....

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#103166 Oct 25, 2013
The Dude wrote:

You mean that guy who wiped out the whole world? And will do so again and send all the non-believers to hell
That's right.

You've been warned.

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#103167 Oct 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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O_o
Never heard of a worm?
No much for your 'superior intelligence'.
HA HA HA!!!!
I admit that I'm ignorant of the taxonomy of your planet. On Earth invertebrates are not reptilian. Do both worms AND serpents speak on your world?

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#103168 Oct 25, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Actually I am not reinterpreting. I am saying what they bible said 3-5 thousand years ago is similar to what science says today. As far as the flat earth as you claim so often, that is reinterpreting the Bible in light of our present day knowledge. They could not have known the earth was round and by looking out at the horizon it looks flat and that it ends. They also could not know the earth was a sphere either. The origin of the word sphere came around a couple thousand years later. As far as the bible saying the earth sun and moon were created around the same time, it says in seven days God created them all,,,pretty close to the same time
Show me any literature, from any culture, any person around the same time the bible started being written that said earth rotated and was a sphere. Oh wait you can't because back in those days they did not know.
Thats the whole point. These guys were ignorant (though not unintelligent). Why on earth would anyone sane believe in a young earth or refuse to accept evolution just because these ancients had no idea? Only thise in the straitjacjet of having to believe "God wrote it"

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#103169 Oct 25, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Actually I am not reinterpreting. I am saying what they bible said 3-5 thousand years ago is similar to what science says today. As far as the flat earth as you claim so often, that is reinterpreting the Bible in light of our present day knowledge. They could not have known the earth was round and by looking out at the horizon it looks flat and that it ends. They also could not know the earth was a sphere either. The origin of the word sphere came around a couple thousand years later. As far as the bible saying the earth sun and moon were created around the same time, it says in seven days God created them all,,,pretty close to the same time
Show me any literature, from any culture, any person around the same time the bible started being written that said earth rotated and was a sphere. Oh wait you can't because back in those days they did not know.
You are being a fool again.

Christian funies very often refer to the very verse that says the Earth is flat to try to claim that it says the Earth is a sphere. I am not guilty of your sin, I am interpreting the Bible as it was written. The people of that time thought the Earth was flat and they wrote the Bible to reflect that. I am not criticizing them for the fact that they did not know the world was spherical. And the claim that they did not have a word for sphere and therefore could not describe the Earth as a sphere is outright idiotic. They did have a word for "ball". And since this was over 2,000 years before American Football the odds are huge that the ball was spherical.

Yes, you are saying that the claims of the Bible are similar to what scientists say today, and that is where you are clearly wrong. You are trying to squeeze the beliefs of the past into those of the present.

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#103170 Oct 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ya, evolution is funny that way.
Like how some fishies didn't want to live in the water no more, so they grew legs and skin and the right eyes and hair and lungs so they could live on land.
But some fishies decided it's cooler in the water.
And some of the land fishies decided it was better in the water so they regrew their fishie eyes and find and stuff but kept their lungs....
And this is why we laugh at creatards.

They can't even bother to learn the theory that disturbs them so much.

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#103171 Oct 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What? You don't like being properly addressed?

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#103172 Oct 25, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You are being a fool again.
Christian funies very often refer to the very verse that says the Earth is flat to try to claim that it says the Earth is a sphere. I am not guilty of your sin, I am interpreting the Bible as it was written. The people of that time thought the Earth was flat and they wrote the Bible to reflect that. I am not criticizing them for the fact that they did not know the world was spherical. And the claim that they did not have a word for sphere and therefore could not describe the Earth as a sphere is outright idiotic. They did have a word for "ball". And since this was over 2,000 years before American Football the odds are huge that the ball was spherical.
Yes, you are saying that the claims of the Bible are similar to what scientists say today, and that is where you are clearly wrong. You are trying to squeeze the beliefs of the past into those of the present.
You say 2,000 years before American football so you are saying they were playing American football around 200AD? LOL

And they may have had a word for ball, I don't know. Ball or even round or whatever they had know way to tell the earth was ball shaped, round, or a sphere.

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#103173 Oct 25, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Actually I am not reinterpreting. I am saying what they bible said 3-5 thousand years ago is similar to what science says today. As far as the flat earth as you claim so often, that is reinterpreting the Bible in light of our present day knowledge. They could not have known the earth was round and by looking out at the horizon it looks flat and that it ends. They also could not know the earth was a sphere either. The origin of the word sphere came around a couple thousand years later. As far as the bible saying the earth sun and moon were created around the same time, it says in seven days God created them all,,,pretty close to the same time
Show me any literature, from any culture, any person around the same time the bible started being written that said earth rotated and was a sphere. Oh wait you can't because back in those days they did not know.
It's been known the world is a sphere since the 6th century BC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

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#103174 Oct 25, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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You are being a fool again.
Christian funies very often refer to the very verse that says the Earth is flat to try to claim that it says the Earth is a sphere. I am not guilty of your sin, I am interpreting the Bible as it was written. The people of that time thought the Earth was flat and they wrote the Bible to reflect that. I am not criticizing them for the fact that they did not know the world was spherical. And the claim that they did not have a word for sphere and therefore could not describe the Earth as a sphere is outright idiotic. They did have a word for "ball". And since this was over 2,000 years before American Football the odds are huge that the ball was spherical.
Yes, you are saying that the claims of the Bible are similar to what scientists say today, and that is where you are clearly wrong. You are trying to squeeze the beliefs of the past into those of the present.
And I will say again. Take away all your knowledge so that you know as little as they did and look at these pictures and tell me the world does not look flat and look like it ends.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3193/2776716695...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_P6bgLo1z_aw/TKMEq4a...

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#103175 Oct 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ya, evolution is funny that way.
Like how some fishies didn't want to live in the water no more, so they grew legs and skin and the right eyes and hair and lungs so they could live on land.
But some fishies decided it's cooler in the water.
And some of the land fishies decided it was better in the water so they regrew their fishie eyes and find and stuff but kept their lungs....
You missed the whole point, didn't you? He stated that "because it wanted to see". Please explain how a creature that did not have sight suddenly got it in he/she/it's mind that they wanted to see. Such a concept that would never occurred to said sightless creature - if it was even capable of thought (which is very doubtful).

Perhaps they were looking forward to HDTV.

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#103176 Oct 25, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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You say 2,000 years before American football so you are saying they were playing American football around 200AD? LOL
And they may have had a word for ball, I don't know. Ball or even round or whatever they had know way to tell the earth was ball shaped, round, or a sphere.
You obviously don't understand your book of myths very well.

Even the last book of the Bible, that was written about 2,000 years ago, had references to a flat Earth.

It is amazing how little creationists and supposed Christians know about their own book that they supposedly worship.

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#103177 Oct 25, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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It's been known the world is a sphere since the 6th century BC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth
By some, but not by all. The writers of the Bible were clearly ignorant of this fact.

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#103178 Oct 25, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Thats the whole point. These guys were ignorant (though not unintelligent). Why on earth would anyone sane believe in a young earth or refuse to accept evolution just because these ancients had no idea? Only thise in the straitjacjet of having to believe "God wrote it"
I don't believe God wrote it. That would be the evolutionists that always say "God said", "God wrote", "the Word of God", etc etc.

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#103179 Oct 25, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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It's been known the world is a sphere since the 6th century BC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth
Yes it was speculated to be a shpere and not conformed until 3BC according to your link. That is just a mere 1000-1300 years AFTER they started writing the bible. SO that means in the thousands years before that when the bible was being written, they did not know.

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