Evolution vs. Creation

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#102848 Oct 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Nuts. You are pretty damned quick to throw that "liar" term out there over something that you've seen posted before and is on the ---> very first page of your own book.
Gen 1:11-12 Plants - the third day
Gen 1:14-16 the Sun and moon - the fourth day
Genesis 2;

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams[b] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.

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#102849 Oct 23, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the point being that the story the bible gave supposedly came from an infallible god or was divinely inspired by that same god.
since the global flood didn't happen, this dipsroves the infallibility of that god or the concept of divine inspiration in the writing of the bible...
Where in the bible does "God" say the world flooded?

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#102850 Oct 23, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Genesis 2;
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.
5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams[b] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-C...

grass, herbs, trees...all in verse 12. again, your cult's attempt to create a god failed miserably.

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#102851 Oct 23, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Agreed. However, that takes the all-knowing, bible dictating god out of the picture.
So you say because they didn't know as much as God, then God must be false. Interesting.

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#102852 Oct 23, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Ignorant in the sense of uneducated or lacking knowledge is an appropriate word to use. It doesn't mean they were idiots.
They could not lack in knowledge if said knowledge did not exist.

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#102853 Oct 23, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Actually, the entropy debate has been fairly recent. And fairly long. And fairly boring. It Urb's attempt to prove evolution is impossible because of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.{yawn}
Ahhh...the ol' " it can't become more complex" argument totally ignoring the massive amount of energy input into our sytem here on earth? yeah, that is a tired old one.

the fundie sites should take that one off their list...

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#102854 Oct 23, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Where in the bible does "God" say the world flooded?
So no divine inspiration? so then the bible is just the word of man, thus the god therein is just the creation of man.

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#102855 Oct 23, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Where in the bible does "God" say the world flooded?
doesn't the bible clearly say god told noah that he would flood the world, and then gave the rainbow as his word he wouldn't do it again?

that sounds a lot like god saying he flooded the world.

perhaps you should read your cult book some more...

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#102856 Oct 23, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Where in the bible does "God" say the world flooded?
Gebnesis 6:17
And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die.

Genesis 7:19
And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.

Genesis 7:20
The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.

You have another interpretation?

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#102857 Oct 23, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
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http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-C...
grass, herbs, trees...all in verse 12. again, your cult's attempt to create a god failed miserably.
Yep I guess a book that is written never changes from chapter to chapter as the understanding gets clearer. OH wait, they do change as the writer/writers understands things more. Non-fiction books, science books, law books, medical books, just about every book that has been written changes in the chapters as the topic being written about is more understood.

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#102858 Oct 23, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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So you say because they didn't know as much as God, then God must be false. Interesting.
You need a reading comprehension course. I didn't say anything remotely like that.

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#102859 Oct 23, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Gebnesis 6:17
And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die.
Genesis 7:19
And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.
Genesis 7:20
The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.
You have another interpretation?
Yep. Man wrote that, not God. You all keep referring to God as the writer of the bible when in was man.

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#102860 Oct 23, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>doesn't the bible clearly say god told noah that he would flood the world, and then gave the rainbow as his word he wouldn't do it again?
that sounds a lot like god saying he flooded the world.
perhaps you should read your cult book some more...
Written by man.

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#102861 Oct 23, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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They could not lack in knowledge if said knowledge did not exist.
Is this what passes for brilliance in your neck of the woods?

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#102862 Oct 23, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Yep I guess a book that is written never changes from chapter to chapter as the understanding gets clearer. OH wait, they do change as the writer/writers understands things more. Non-fiction books, science books, law books, medical books, just about every book that has been written changes in the chapters as the topic being written about is more understood.
how would that explain it clearly stating there was grass, herbs and trees on the Earth before there was rain or before there was a sun?

and again, you are just disproving divine inspiration, and thus your god.

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#102863 Oct 23, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Written by man.
then the god created in the bible is also created by man, and thus proved to not be a god...

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#102864 Oct 23, 2013
Much of our history must be false as well being it was written by other men.

Take Billy the Kid. He must be a myth. He never wrote a book and the books about him were written by other men from accounts that some say they saw or heard. So he has to be a myth too right?

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#102865 Oct 23, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Yep. Man wrote that, not God. You all keep referring to God as the writer of the bible when in was man.
No argument. Then you must accept that the bible is NOT the inerrant word of god.

And it's not us who keeps referring to god as the writer of the bible. That would be your fundie friends.

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#102866 Oct 23, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Is this what passes for brilliance in your neck of the woods?
So then all present man, all science, all technology, all scientists, ect are ignorant because there are things we don't yet know and things not yet invented or understood.

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#102867 Oct 23, 2013
replaytime wrote:
Much of our history must be false as well being it was written by other men.
Take Billy the Kid. He must be a myth. He never wrote a book and the books about him were written by other men from accounts that some say they saw or heard. So he has to be a myth too right?
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