Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221446 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“When you treat people as they ”

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Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#102805 Oct 23, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Migratory birds and other animals? Can they think and reason like humans?
First off, I am sure I thought you had finished – let me quote you…
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And lastly, the almighty is one. i don't give a damn about your babbling.
but hey ho…

Ahh right, I see, I thing are you saying, that because an entity does not think like you then their experience of the world is irrelevant?

That because you believe in a god these imaginary longitude and latitude lines actually exist for you (because to you at least one god exists) but to anyone who does not have your belief or any animals who cannot believe in your god then these imaginary lines don’t exist? Go figure…

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#102806 Oct 23, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Big survey a year or two ago (I think by the Pew organization) found that atheists generally knew more about the Bible then Christians of all stripes.
Catholics came out on bottom of course because they don't seem to read the Bible much.
Having been raised a Catholic and attending 12 years of Catholic school, I can assure you the OT is far less significant to them than the teaching of Jesus (and/or Paul). As is much of the NT. Their religion is more of a philosophy than mindless bible thumping.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#102807 Oct 23, 2013
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it that bad?
Which? The coyotes? I was walking the dog last weekend and one zipped past me going the other direction. I called Fish & Wildlife and asked them if they recorded coyote sightings. They said they used to but now their all over the place so they don't bother.

I wouldn't care if they kept to the woods but running through a suburban neighborhood is not cool. Especially when you consider they eat almost anything. Like small dogs and cats.
MAAT wrote:
Anyway i still had a lemon issue. When do lemons turn yellow on tree.
You will not believe how serious it is!
Hot question on google...even limes turn yellow apparently.
https://www.google.nl/search...
Funny but I'd like to know about this as well. I've got a billion of them on the tree next to my home so I want to know when to pick or not pick.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#102808 Oct 23, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
Still got the secret of life?....while your at it explain how life self assembled in the beginning,...I mean you have a theory ,there must be observable ,repeatable and testable evidence of how this happened.
No problem. Life came from non-life. If not then go find evidence of life from 4.2 billion years ago. There, that was easy wasn't it?

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#102809 Oct 23, 2013
SBT wrote:
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Typically <500 ft. The overburden is sedimentary and uniform, all coal overburden is. Once in while crude oil is hit. This closed a portion of KY's largest U/G mine 3 years ago. I was there just after it happened. Why is there so much natural gas under such pressure? It would breakdown and depressurize in short order. The picture underground is an active volatile environment full of dangerous hydrocarbons, not old age. Well logs nor deep mine exposures never show multiple environments that long-age demands. It show's as placid first earth, one major catastrophe of unimaginable scale, the buried remains of an early and much different earth then subsequent local events. I've worked in many of the worlds deep supermines, same picture. I am pretty sure that "pyroclastic" flows were coined because of the events @ St.Helens, forcing rethinking of feature forming theory, challenging the "one grain of sand at a time" valley concept.
Coal layers need vast forests of trees over many generations to produce enough wood for thick coal seams. One flooded forest would only result in a thin layer.
The wood then needs to be buried and that means vast amounts of sedimentary rock laid down and sedimentary rock is uniform by nature. What else would you expect to find above coal? What sort of multiple environments would you expect?

Sedimentary rock by its nature produces visible layers, there thickness depending on the rate of deposition so it's easy to tell if the sediment was laid down quickly or over a vast period of time.

Why would natural gases breakdown when they are the simplest forms of carbohydrates? Methane has just one carbon atom and four hydrogen, you can't get simpler than that.

Of course mines are full of dangerous hydrocarbons, that's why they are being mined but they formed underground due to the high pressure and temperatures long after they were buried and that's why they're trapped there.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#102810 Oct 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
There is no evidence that life can create itself. None.
And plants create plants without intervention from Jewmagic.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Flowers creating flowers?
O_o
That is not life from non-life, dude .....
I've already given the evidence for this on this thread a ton of times. Not one fundie can address it. Before 3.8 billion years ago there was no life. Ergo life came from non-life. All life on Earth is created from chemicals that once were NOT alive. Ergo life came from non-life. You have only been living for a few decades. Before then you were not alive. Ergo life from non-life.

And since your God, allegedly, did not require the existence of a previous lifeform, quite obviously the prerequisite of a prior lifeform is not a constant.

Hardly surprising in a finite universe. Don't blame us because you fundies keep slamming headlong into the infinite regression fallacy.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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#102811 Oct 23, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>The Colorado River Toad produces hallucinogenic compounds in the glands on its skin. This is the species that has been popularized with regards to the alleged practice of "toad licking". I don't know anything about that, but I do understand the dried toxin is smoked to get high.
These toads are the biggest toads I have ever seen. I have found them in cotton fields in Arizona. Squeezing the parotoid glands causes beads of fluid to be exuded and this presumably contains the toxins that are used to get high. I have read that they are toxic enough to kill dogs that have tried to eat them.
I like "The Serpent and the Rainbow". Have you read "One River"?
I actually have a t-shirt from Toad Suck, Arkansas. Once voted the most embarrassing/unfortunate town names.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#102812 Oct 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
What logic would it serve for God to curse a snake to become a snake?
<quoted text>
Sigh....
Well at least you answered.
Allow me to rephrase.
Assume that you believe Genesis is true, what logic would it serve for God to curse a snake to become a snake?
Still waiting for you to point out why logic and Genesis should even be in the same sentence.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#102813 Oct 23, 2013
bohart wrote:
on and on ,nothing but lies. Why?
to defend the indefensible. That's why
You can't help it.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#102814 Oct 23, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
He's had that pointed out a 100 times, but that's the only response he can muster.
And you bozos dance all around the houses to avoid addressing it.(shrug)
bohart wrote:
<quoted text> I mean what else can he say, there's no evidence.
Sure there is. It's been presented. You make lame puddle-goo jokes to avoid it or claim Jewmagic instead, which REALLY has no evidence.

So why is it you fundies always lie? Remember, God is watching...
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#102815 Oct 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought atheists (or at least most of them) claim to be intellectuals.
Genesis never once refers to that Serpent as a snake OR a lizard.
Why do you fill in the blanks like that?
It was Satan (a serpent, a liar, sly, treacherous) in the form of ***something***. What, we don't know.
Bingo. You don't know. Something I've been pointing out to you for days now. So I find it rather amusing you calling someone else ignorant of the subject when you don't have the slightest fecking clue yourself.(shrug)

Never let it be said that hypocrisy is not a fundie prerequisite.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#102816 Oct 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Revelation 12:9
The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray...
No, you misunderstand. Satan himself was not cursed, whatever the creature was that Satan was posing as was cursed - into a snake. As a reminder to us all of the treachery that Satan is.
Uh yeah, listen - did you ever get around to providing us with a good reason why any of us should give a fig?

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#102817 Oct 23, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
You made the claim. You need to back it and show it. Otherwise you are a liar with nothing to back you up.
Nuts. You are pretty damned quick to throw that "liar" term out there over something that you've seen posted before and is on the ---> very first page of your own book.

Gen 1:11-12 Plants - the third day

Gen 1:14-16 the Sun and moon - the fourth day
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#102818 Oct 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I agree. But the theory still stands that rains in the earth's infancy globally flooded this earth and we have no evidence of it. But scientists are more than sure it took place though their is no evidence.
If they think it happened then they have evidence. They COULD be wrong about the evidence, but they have evidence.

Of course it's more likely they HYPOTHESISE that that early flood took place, but know they can't demonstrate it conclusively, and that you are again attacking a caricature version of science because you don't have the slightest clue about science in the first place.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#102819 Oct 23, 2013
SBT wrote:
<quoted text>
Typically <500 ft. The overburden is sedimentary and uniform, all coal overburden is. Once in while crude oil is hit. This closed a portion of KY's largest U/G mine 3 years ago. I was there just after it happened. Why is there so much natural gas under such pressure? It would breakdown and depressurize in short order. The picture underground is an active volatile environment full of dangerous hydrocarbons, not old age. Well logs nor deep mine exposures never show multiple environments that long-age demands. It show's as placid first earth, one major catastrophe of unimaginable scale, the buried remains of an early and much different earth then subsequent local events. I've worked in many of the worlds deep supermines, same picture. I am pretty sure that "pyroclastic" flows were coined because of the events @ St.Helens, forcing rethinking of feature forming theory, challenging the "one grain of sand at a time" valley concept.
Sorry, you're still lying again. Remember that evidence is utterly superfluous to your position.

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#102820 Oct 23, 2013
Both read the Bible day and night, but thou read black where I read white.

-William Blake

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#102821 Oct 23, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you can clear up the misunderstanding, just where and how did life start, I've read it began in primordial seas, puddles, sludge pits, due to ingredients coming together and bursting to life. Use your scientific knowledge to clean up after your brethren. Explain it
I've already given the the best information currently available. What the f*ck is wrong with you? Friggin troll.

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#102822 Oct 23, 2013
bohart wrote:
<quoted text>
Well the observable, repeatable and testable evidence rules out simply nature
Bullshit. In your 'considered opinio'n.{snicker}

Nothing has been ruled out, retardo.

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#102824 Oct 23, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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This idiocy has been debunked many times over here is a link to a simplified YouTube video that debunks this. The video has a link to a much more complex paper. The paper has over 200 peer reviewed articles that it refers to. I don't think the creatards here could even understand the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =SdwTwNPyR9wXX&feature=c4- overview-vl&list=PLF626DD5 B2C1F0A87
Amusing that he rants about science then links to a creationist website.

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#102825 Oct 23, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
You do know that science says a flood of Noah's scale may have happened in the middle east, just not world wide don't you?
We all know about that. We've been over it at least a dozen times.

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