Evolution vs. Creation

There are 162148 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#102762 Oct 22, 2013
SBT wrote:
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Typically <500 ft. The overburden is sedimentary and uniform, all coal overburden is. Once in while crude oil is hit. This closed a portion of KY's largest U/G mine 3 years ago. I was there just after it happened. Why is there so much natural gas under such pressure? It would breakdown and depressurize in short order. The picture underground is an active volatile environment full of dangerous hydrocarbons, not old age. Well logs nor deep mine exposures never show multiple environments that long-age demands. It show's as placid first earth, one major catastrophe of unimaginable scale, the buried remains of an early and much different earth then subsequent local events. I've worked in many of the worlds deep supermines, same picture. I am pretty sure that "pyroclastic" flows were coined because of the events @ St.Helens, forcing rethinking of feature forming theory, challenging the "one grain of sand at a time" valley concept.
I've read that if the earth was more than 10,000 years old it would be impossible for gas and oil underground to remain under pressure for that long. Do you know anything about that?

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#102763 Oct 22, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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There is a very very very very small chance that biology and geology could be wrong. The odds are infinitely higher that you are wrong.
Once again you have shown yourself to be an ignorant fool. There is evidence that supports abiogenesis, there is no evidence that supports the Adam and Eve myth or the Flood myth. There is no evidence for any of the supposed works of God in the Bible. If those happened there would be evidence of those events.
No evidence means no events.
If Riverside redneck improves his attitude will you give him the evidence of abiogenesis that you keep to yourself?.........ha,ha,ha.

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#102764 Oct 22, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Derision from fools is like the morning mist, thin and vanishing. I love your condescending attitude though.
Bohart, you are of course the fool here.

You have no science education. You have repeatedly shown yourself to be a complete moron. Remember when it comes to unbiased judges your side always, and I mean every single time, loses.

Why do you think your idiocy is banned at public schools?

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#102765 Oct 22, 2013
bohart wrote:
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I've read that if the earth was more than 10,000 years old it would be impossible for gas and oil underground to remain under pressure for that long. Do you know anything about that?
Yes, it is a complete bullshit lie made up by creatards without a lick of evidence that supports them.

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#102766 Oct 22, 2013
SBT wrote:
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So instead of finding something or anything to challenge the evidence and logic I present, we go for a philosophy lecture and an attack on my intellect. Not buying it sir, go find some facts. While you look, explain to the world the Prokaryote Axial Motor evolution, the supreme evolutionary litmus test of full and complete brainwashing.
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/a-questio...
This idiocy has been debunked many times over here is a link to a simplified YouTube video that debunks this. The video has a link to a much more complex paper. The paper has over 200 peer reviewed articles that it refers to. I don't think the creatards here could even understand the video:

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#102767 Oct 22, 2013
bohart wrote:
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Derision from fools is like the morning mist, thin and vanishing. I love your condescending attitude though.
bohart is a freak.

He thinks that 50 people pissing on him is a "thin morning mist".

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#102768 Oct 22, 2013
SBT wrote:
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Read the links, they are footnoted. Call the geology section at the GC, check with them. Steve did blow the world of theoretical physical geology to pieces, gotta give him credit and he is no pushover. God is using him.
No, they aren't. They only refer to more garbage.

I asked for real peer reviewed science.

Do you have any?

And Steve Austin only blew himself to pieces. He has zero respect in the field of geology.

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#102769 Oct 22, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Yes, it is a complete bullshit lie made up by creatards without a lick of evidence that supports them.
You do know that science says a flood of Noah's scale may have happened in the middle east, just not world wide don't you?

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#102770 Oct 22, 2013
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You do know that science says a flood of Noah's scale may have happened in the middle east, just not world wide don't you?
No, a Noah's Ark Flood would require over 5 miles of water covering the whole Earth.

And are you sure that you are not conflating your Middle East Flood with the possible Black Sea flood? If you do the math on that one you will find that it was a flood that people could and would have walked away from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge...

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#102771 Oct 22, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No, a Noah's Ark Flood would require over 5 miles of water covering the whole Earth.
And are you sure that you are not conflating your Middle East Flood with the possible Black Sea flood? If you do the math on that one you will find that it was a flood that people could and would have walked away from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge...
As I said "a flood of Noah's scale may have happened in the middle east, just not world"

Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth

http://ncse.com/rncse/29/5/yes-noahs-flood-ma...

So one could reason if it could happen regionally at one place, it could happen regionally anywhere.

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#102772 Oct 22, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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As I said "a flood of Noah's scale may have happened in the middle east, just not world"
Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth
http://ncse.com/rncse/29/5/yes-noahs-flood-ma...
So one could reason if it could happen regionally at one place, it could happen regionally anywhere.
Sorry, but the key word you used was "scale". You used it twice. That still would require at least locally 5 vertical miles of water.

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#102773 Oct 22, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Sorry, but the key word you used was "scale". You used it twice. That still would require at least locally 5 vertical miles of water.
The problem is that you base/judge those days on your knowledge of today.

Back in those days, like the BS flat earth you all go on about, if they did not have any means to know better, then they could not know better. Still to this day, if you did not know better and you were looking out to the horizon over land or sea, the world would look like it came to an end. Agreed?

The flood story I posted. Again back then if you did not and could not know better, with 1.6 million square kilometers under water,,, one would believe the world was flooded. Agreed?

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#102774 Oct 22, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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The problem is that you base/judge those days on your knowledge of today.
Back in those days, like the BS flat earth you all go on about, if they did not have any means to know better, then they could not know better. Still to this day, if you did not know better and you were looking out to the horizon over land or sea, the world would look like it came to an end. Agreed?
The flood story I posted. Again back then if you did not and could not know better, with 1.6 million square kilometers under water,,, one would believe the world was flooded. Agreed?
I am not denying that a flood story could have arisen from such a flood. And locals might think that the whole world had flooded. I have no problem with the various possible logical explanations for the Flood myth. The fact is that is not even 1% of the Earth's surface. No animal species were threatened, man was not threatened. Man did not recover from only 8 individuals.

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#102775 Oct 22, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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The problem is that you base/judge those days on your knowledge of today.
Back in those days, like the BS flat earth you all go on about, if they did not have any means to know better, then they could not know better. Still to this day, if you did not know better and you were looking out to the horizon over land or sea, the world would look like it came to an end. Agreed?
The flood story I posted. Again back then if you did not and could not know better, with 1.6 million square kilometers under water,,, one would believe the world was flooded. Agreed?
This isn't new information to this forum. It has been discussed at length before.

No one has missed that lack of knowledge by ancient people resulted in explanations that over the top so to speak. The flooding of the Black Sea is potentially a source of origin of the Genesis flood.

What has been in contention are the claims by Fundamentalists that the flood occurred absolutely and that Genesis is an accurate depiction of that event.

By the way, a flood of the same scale as the Genesis flood would be a global flood. I think what you mean to say is that there were floods of reduced scale, but because of ignorance they were believed to be of the whole world.

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#102776 Oct 22, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>This isn't new information to this forum. It has been discussed at length before.
No one has missed that lack of knowledge by ancient people resulted in explanations that over the top so to speak. The flooding of the Black Sea is potentially a source of origin of the Genesis flood.
What has been in contention are the claims by Fundamentalists that the flood occurred absolutely and that Genesis is an accurate depiction of that event.
By the way, a flood of the same scale as the Genesis flood would be a global flood. I think what you mean to say is that there were floods of reduced scale, but because of ignorance they were believed to be of the whole world.
No I don't think people back in those days were ignorant. They were smart for their time. Just not as advanced as we are now.

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#102777 Oct 22, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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No I don't think people back in those days were ignorant. They were smart for their time. Just not as advanced as we are now.
I don't think anyone has called the people of the past exceptionally ignorant. They were naturally ignorant since mankind has learned quite a bit since those days.

The people who are exceptionally ignorant are those that take the myths of the past seriously today in light of all of the knowledge we have available now.

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#102778 Oct 22, 2013
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Austin gets permits to do real science (like for 30 years in the Grand Canyon), get's signs and guidebooks changed, gets papers published (like his nautiloid work in the Redwall) proving his theories with full support of the Natl Park service and presents to them often. You do any of that? A Penn State PhD is no keeper of "His credentials are all the more reason for you to view his religious sycophantic presentation with shame and chagrin." Shame, what shame? Call Penn State and tell them their PhD program is shamefull, and what credentials do you have to question him? As a professional I can tell you your statements are gobbelygoop and make no sense. As the Tapeats is a pure sandstone with signs of a turbidite (and fossilized) how can you date it?? I know this because I researched there, and about the Kaibab, it's full of hot uranium (likely caused the upwarp) and again a water deposited sediment with fossils. The only "dating" means is using marine fossils based on what??, comparisons and guessing. Moving water and homogenous layers are evidenced everywhere in the Canyon. Sorry, but you are very mistaken.
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/09/the-grand...
http://www.genesisalive.com/2013/10/the-grand...
Sorry, but Steve Austin is full of crap. You wanted an article that debunked his nonsense, here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/2g8h

It is based upon real peer reviewed science. I will gladly explain why peer reviewed science is so important in a debate like this.

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#102779 Oct 22, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I don't think anyone has called the people of the past exceptionally ignorant. They were naturally ignorant since mankind has learned quite a bit since those days.
The people who are exceptionally ignorant are those that take the myths of the past seriously today in light of all of the knowledge we have available now.
It is hard to call a culture naturally ignorant because they did not know the knowledge that did not exist.

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#102780 Oct 22, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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It is hard to call a culture naturally ignorant because they did not know the knowledge that did not exist.
No, there is nothing wrong with calling them naturally ignorant.

I am sure there are many things that we are naturally ignorant about due to knowledge that we have not learned yet.

I of course not say what we are naturally ignorant about since, as you pointed out, that knowledge does not exist yet.

My point was that there is a big difference between be naturally ignorant, where the knowledge does not exist in the world yet, to being purposefully ignorant, which is what almost every creationist is.

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#102781 Oct 22, 2013
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How come topix ended the game you all played?

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