Evolution vs. Creation

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#102729 Oct 22, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Tick can you put the verse that says that. Why you are at it put up the verse that says there were plants before the sun.
read your cult book, it will do you good to realize what a foolish cult you take your ideas from...

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#102730 Oct 22, 2013
MAAT wrote:
KONG brough that info.:
The scientifically illiterate will attempt to seize upon this to denegrate science and specifically, evolution. In contrast, the rest of us will understand it is not only exceedingly HONEST of science, but it to suggest that the branching of the Neanderthal and modern human (Cro Magnon?) being pushed back further -- if you accept the findings below -- is INCREASING our knowledge of early man.
http://phys.org/news/2013-10-hominin-ancestor ...
No known hominin is ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans, research says
October 21st, 2013 in Other Sciences / Archaeology & Fossils
Study: No known hominin is ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans.
The search for a common ancestor linking modern humans with the Neanderthals who lived in Europe thousands of years ago has been a compelling subject for research. But a new study suggests the quest isn't nearly complete.
The researchers, using quantitative methods focused on the shape of dental fossils, find that none of the usual suspects fits the expected profile of an ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans. They also present evidence that the lines that led to Neanderthals and modern humans diverged nearly 1 million years ago, much earlier than studies based on molecular evidence have suggested.
The study, which will be published online this week by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, was carried out by an international team of scholars from The George Washington University, Konrad Lorenz Institute for Evolution and Cognition Research in Austria, Indiana University and Atapuerca Research Team in Spain.
"Our results call attention to the strong discrepancies between molecular and paleontological estimates of the divergence time between Neanderthals and modern humans," said Aida Gómez-Robles, lead author of the paper and a postdoctoral scientist at the Center for the Advanced Study of Hominid Paleobiology of The George Washington University. "These discrepancies cannot be simply ignored, but they have to be somehow reconciled."
P. David Polly, professor in the Department of Geological Sciences in the IU Bloomington College of Arts and Sciences, is a co-author of the study. Other co-authors are Spanish researchers José María Bermúdez de Castro, Juan-Luis Arsuaga and Eudald Carbonell, co-directors of the excavations at Atapuerca sites. The study resulted from a collaboration that developed when Gómez-Robles spent a semester at IU studying with Polly while she was a graduate student at the National Research Centre for Human Evolution and at the University of Granada, both in Spain. It also makes use of statistical methods developed by IU Bloomington biologist Emilia Martins.
The article, "No known hominin species matches the expected dental morphology of the last common ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans," relies on fossils of approximately 1,200 molars and premolars from 13 species or types of hominins—humans and human relatives and ancestors. Fossils from the well-known Atapuerca sites have a crucial role in this research, accounting for more than 15 percent of the complete studied fossil collection.
The study also finds that the potential human ancestors discovered in Europe are morphologically closer to Neanderthals than to modern humans. This suggests the line leading to Neanderthals arose around 1 million years ago and the divergence of humans took place much earlier than previously thought. Other studies have placed the divergence around 350,000 years ago.
"The study tells us that there are still new hominin finds waiting to be made," Polly said. "Fossil finds from about 1 million years ago in Africa deserve close scrutiny as the possible ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans."
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Cousins have an ancestor.

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#102731 Oct 22, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>read your cult book, it will do you good to realize what a foolish cult you take your ideas from...
You made the claim. You need to back it and show it. Otherwise you are a liar with nothing to back you up.

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#102732 Oct 22, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>googling toads in your spare time?
Unlike you I read all the time. Not just repeat what other people say.

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#102733 Oct 22, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Unlike you I read all the time. Not just repeat what other people say.
yeah sure, you ddin't just google that...

the bullshit meter spikes high when you talk...

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#102734 Oct 22, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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You made the claim. You need to back it and show it. Otherwise you are a liar with nothing to back you up.
like i really care what a little turd like you thinks...

you know its there...or maybe not, you often say the stupidest shit...

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#102735 Oct 22, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>like i really care what a little turd like you thinks...
you know its there...or maybe not, you often say the stupidest shit...
It does not matter what you think of me. I show you are a liar that only spews out lies that you cannot back up. That is for all to see. You just repeat trash you hear and have nothing to back it up. You are one of the sheeple of the world.

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#102736 Oct 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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LMAO!
Ugh, not this again.
Why are so many of you atheists so biblically ignorant?
Big survey a year or two ago (I think by the Pew organization) found that atheists generally knew more about the Bible then Christians of all stripes.

Catholics came out on bottom of course because they don't seem to read the Bible much.

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#102737 Oct 22, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>You did? I must have missed it in all the debris. Are you sure I chose to ignore it? That doesn't seem like me. Oh my stars and garters.
Hearsay is not circumstantial evidence. This is exactly what you state with no qualification.
I pasted your question and gave my answer again. You missed that also. It explains how you confuse yourself so easily without anyone's help.

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#102738 Oct 22, 2013
This universe, which is the same for all, has not been made by any god or man, but it always has been, is, and will be an ever-living fire, kindling itself by regular measures and going out by regular measures...

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#102739 Oct 22, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the bible says it didn't rain until the noachian flood, so we know that can't be true...
The Bible says no such thing as you state it. The Bible states in Gen 7:4 that rain was going to be sent for an extended period of time. Meaning/insinuating rain was a common thing to Noah. But rain descending for 40 days and forty nights was an uncommon action.

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#102740 Oct 22, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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True. We have Cain (or Marine) toads all over the place. Quite poisoning. A friend of mine had a small dog that killed one. Then the toad killed the dog.
Though I hold out hope that the local coyotes will eat some.
Is it that bad?

Anyway i still had a lemon issue. When do lemons turn yellow on tree.
You will not believe how serious it is!
Hot question on google...even limes turn yellow apparently.
https://www.google.nl/search...

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#102741 Oct 22, 2013
Must be meyer lemons then Woodtick.
That little sapling you got there will or rather can grow to 10 meters height.

http://www.ask.com/question/growing-meyer-lem...

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#102742 Oct 22, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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The Bible says no such thing as you state it. The Bible states in Gen 7:4 that rain was going to be sent for an extended period of time. Meaning/insinuating rain was a common thing to Noah. But rain descending for 40 days and forty nights was an uncommon action.
In a different thread we did the counting of days...somehow it does not all add up.
A textual thing. First a synopsis and then more detailed.
Literal readers keep adding.

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#102743 Oct 22, 2013
Dawn in Miami wrote:
This universe, which is the same for all, has not been made by any god or man, but it always has been, is, and will be an ever-living fire, kindling itself by regular measures and going out by regular measures...
...yes?

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#102744 Oct 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Cousins have an ancestor.
Inclined to say yes, but that would be jumping the gun.
The possibility to add any opinion to that article Kong posted was limited.
But this was very cryptic even for you Aura.
So would you care to elaborate?

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#102745 Oct 22, 2013
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#102746 Oct 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No. You said "There is no scientific evidence for God, there is scientific evidence for abiogenesis." Which is incorrecnt. Thee is no evidence that life can create itself. None.
LOL. You will not consider that geology or biology could possibly be wrong, can you? Why not? Most of your kind admit that science is wrong far more often than it is right...
There is a very very very very small chance that biology and geology could be wrong. The odds are infinitely higher that you are wrong.

Once again you have shown yourself to be an ignorant fool. There is evidence that supports abiogenesis, there is no evidence that supports the Adam and Eve myth or the Flood myth. There is no evidence for any of the supposed works of God in the Bible. If those happened there would be evidence of those events.

No evidence means no events.

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#102747 Oct 22, 2013
bohart wrote:
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First it was not a blogger site, it was an Emmy award winning documentary. It describes perfectly the BELIEFS that inhabit this thread. What it is, is embarressing .The real reason you don't get any satisfactory replies is that there are none!
All that is said is buffoonery
1. Abiogenesis! I ask for an explanation of how it worked and might get the we don't know, but we know it worked answer. That's not science ,that's faith, but it has to be since nobody has a clue, yet that sure doesn't slow down the lies told to try and defend it.
We have the discovered the key to life, Aura
we know how life began...Sucking bone
life is simple chemistry.. Dude
and there are many more!
on and on ,nothing but lies. Why?
to defend the indefensible. That's why
If you really want an answer you have a lot to learn first.

And you mush change your attitude, otherwise no one will help you with an answer.

Apologizing for being a total idiot would be a good first step. You know that you have earned all of the derision that has rained down upon you and ten times that to boot.

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#102748 Oct 22, 2013
Dawn in Miami wrote:
~Heraclitus
~600 BC logos as enthousiasm/fire/lifeforce.

Hmmm...unexpected. Normally people are not that aware.

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