Evolution vs. Creation

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#102375 Oct 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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And there is nothing wrong with circumstantial evidence. Most evidence is circumstantial. In fact circumstantial evidence is often much stronger than direct evidence. An "eye witness" can give direct evidence, and they have a much higher failure rate than forensic evidence which is almost totally circumstantial.
The reason that most circumstantial evidence is stronger than direct evidence is that bias can very easily enter into direct evidence.
Correct.

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#102376 Oct 21, 2013
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If that is the case why do you dispute the concept of a common ancestor? You can't have it both ways. You are lying in one of these cases.
I have not disputed it, only the lack of evidence for it.

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#102377 Oct 21, 2013
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Who is being pedantic now?
I am, this time.

It DOES say serpent, not snake.

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#102378 Oct 21, 2013
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Because before it was a snake it had legs, and was described as a 'serpent'. Ergo it is not unreasonable to assume it was a reptilian species with legs, of the order Squamata.
But of course it could have been a deep-voiced wind instrument.(shrug)
God cursed the serpent, yes?

Into what? A snake.

What sense would it make to curse a snake to become a snake?

O_o

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#102379 Oct 21, 2013
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So, a talking SERPENT.
Yeah.
That's much more logical.
It all makes sense now.
Look up the word , man.

It has at least six definitions.

Only one of which is snake.

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#102380 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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All the evidence we have today tells us that life cannot create itself.
Since we know life cannot spontaneously occur, a creator of some sort is necessary.
what evidence is that? please be specific, buck...

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#102381 Oct 21, 2013
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Repeating an error does not make it true.
There is evidence for abiogenesis. There is not enough evidence to lift it up above the level of hypothesis yet. In fact there have been thousands of successful experiments giving evidence for abiogenesis since the Miller, Urey experiment. Back at that time creatards were claiming that the building blocks of life, amino acids, could not form naturally. The Miller Urey experiment showed that they were wrong.
Lol, the Urey-Miller....

That was natural, huh?

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#102382 Oct 21, 2013
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<quoted text>any talking serpents in the real world? nope...not one..
My ex is a serpent.

Obama's a serpent. Most politicians are.

Capisce?

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#102383 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Sigh...
That IS circumstantial evidence, dude.
"evidence providing only a basis for inference about the fact in dispute"
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn... evidence
no, you fool it is not. you, like your partner replay, are just too stupid to even ask the right question to get the info you want. this would explain your ignorance on almost every subject you post on.

a fingerprint is direct evidence of that person being at the crime scene.

is it direct evidence they committed a crime at that scene? no it is not, but you cannot think logically enough to separate those two concepts....

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#102384 Oct 21, 2013
The scientifically illiterate will attempt to seize upon this to denegrate science and specifically, evolution. In contrast, the rest of us will understand it is not only exceedingly HONEST of science, but it to suggest that the branching of the Neanderthal and modern human (Cro Magnon?) being pushed back further -- if you accept the findings below -- is INCREASING our knowledge of early man.

http://phys.org/news/2013-10-hominin-ancestor...

No known hominin is ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans, research says
October 21st, 2013 in Other Sciences / Archaeology & Fossils

Study: No known hominin is ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans.

The search for a common ancestor linking modern humans with the Neanderthals who lived in Europe thousands of years ago has been a compelling subject for research. But a new study suggests the quest isn't nearly complete.

The researchers, using quantitative methods focused on the shape of dental fossils, find that none of the usual suspects fits the expected profile of an ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans. They also present evidence that the lines that led to Neanderthals and modern humans diverged nearly 1 million years ago, much earlier than studies based on molecular evidence have suggested.

The study, which will be published online this week by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, was carried out by an international team of scholars from The George Washington University, Konrad Lorenz Institute for Evolution and Cognition Research in Austria, Indiana University and Atapuerca Research Team in Spain.

"Our results call attention to the strong discrepancies between molecular and paleontological estimates of the divergence time between Neanderthals and modern humans," said Aida Gómez-Robles, lead author of the paper and a postdoctoral scientist at the Center for the Advanced Study of Hominid Paleobiology of The George Washington University. "These discrepancies cannot be simply ignored, but they have to be somehow reconciled."

P. David Polly, professor in the Department of Geological Sciences in the IU Bloomington College of Arts and Sciences, is a co-author of the study. Other co-authors are Spanish researchers José María Bermúdez de Castro, Juan-Luis Arsuaga and Eudald Carbonell, co-directors of the excavations at Atapuerca sites. The study resulted from a collaboration that developed when Gómez-Robles spent a semester at IU studying with Polly while she was a graduate student at the National Research Centre for Human Evolution and at the University of Granada, both in Spain. It also makes use of statistical methods developed by IU Bloomington biologist Emilia Martins.

The article, "No known hominin species matches the expected dental morphology of the last common ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans," relies on fossils of approximately 1,200 molars and premolars from 13 species or types of hominins—humans and human relatives and ancestors. Fossils from the well-known Atapuerca sites have a crucial role in this research, accounting for more than 15 percent of the complete studied fossil collection.

The study also finds that the potential human ancestors discovered in Europe are morphologically closer to Neanderthals than to modern humans. This suggests the line leading to Neanderthals arose around 1 million years ago and the divergence of humans took place much earlier than previously thought. Other studies have placed the divergence around 350,000 years ago.

"The study tells us that there are still new hominin finds waiting to be made," Polly said. "Fossil finds from about 1 million years ago in Africa deserve close scrutiny as the possible ancestor of Neanderthals and modern humans."

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#102385 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I am, this time.
It DOES say serpent, not snake.
and still no talking serpents in the real world...this is why we know the bible to be fiction, along with the god it attempts to create

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#102386 Oct 21, 2013
You can take every chemical, gas, mineral, element there are and throw them all together in water and all you will come up with are a bunch of mixed up chemicals, gases, minerals, elements polluting the water. It would be a safe bet to say they have tried in several million ways and have failed in several million ways. Even with science helping it along, life does not spring from nonlife. But this one time in band camp, 3.5 billion years ago, life came from nonlife all by itself. What a bunch of dreamers.

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#102387 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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My ex is a serpent.
Obama's a serpent. Most politicians are.
Capisce?
most likely she or he was just smart enough to dump a loser...

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#102388 Oct 21, 2013
DarkBlue wrote:
You can take every chemical, gas, mineral, element there are and throw them all together in water and all you will come up with are a bunch of mixed up chemicals, gases, minerals, elements polluting the water. It would be a safe bet to say they have tried in several million ways and have failed in several million ways. Even with science helping it along, life does not spring from nonlife. But this one time in band camp, 3.5 billion years ago, life came from nonlife all by itself. What a bunch of dreamers.
life had to have come from non-life.

logic is fun!

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#102389 Oct 21, 2013
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Then what does it mean exactly? Apparently you are unable to narrow down the precise definition as it is supposed to apply to the Bible.
It says serpent, and that it's the craftiest beast in the field. It does not say whatever tempted Eve was a snake, it says serpent.

I cant be any more clearer than that.

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#102390 Oct 21, 2013
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It's not necessary. DNA alone demonstrates common ancestry
No it doesn't.

The theory behind common ancestry only postulates.

That isn't fact.

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#102391 Oct 21, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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I demonstrated nothing other than you inability to understand a very simple concept. Do you have to have everything explained to you like a 3rd grader? The bottom of the tree represent the emergence of life. Which is a scientifically unsettled question. Duh!
Yes, I understand that.

My question is, and has always been, what was that supposed first life?

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#102392 Oct 21, 2013
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Actually that's not the case. Go look at plants.
Okay, that I don't understand. Are you implying that plants create themselves? If not, what are you implying?

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#102393 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Look up the word , man.
It has at least six definitions.
Only one of which is snake.
Are any one of those 6 definitions for "Serpent" providing for a non-human animal that regularly engages in intelligent speech?

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#102394 Oct 21, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
what evidence is that? please be specific, buck...
There is no evidence. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. No evidence of any kind that life can create itself, not physical evidence, testimonial, circumstantial or even anecdotal. None.

There is none. No one can show scientific proof that life can create itself. No one has ever created life in a science lab, even under the most favorable conditions possible. So if "intelligent" human beings cannot create life, how is life supposed to have come into existence by itself?

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