Evolution vs. Creation

There are 162176 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#102317 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh, Lord.... You are so dense.
18 pieces of evidence.
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scien...
Hey, thanks for posting that. Hilarious. Especially the links and footnotes to nowhere.

BTW, if you're not a creationist - as you recently claimed - why to you link to creationists websites?

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Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#102318 Oct 21, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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You want to believe in Santa clause then thatís entirely up to you
Funny how the story gives them antlers in December, musts be god magic
Yeah. Because the whole flying part is acceptable. ;)

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#102319 Oct 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
I am feeling generous so here is an article that lists over 29 separate indications of common descent:
http://tinyurl.com/4bl3d
Oh. Neat.

The theory [common ancestor] specifically postulates that all of the earth's known biota are genealogically related, much in the same way that siblings or cousins are related to one another. Thus, universal common ancestry entails the transformation of one species into another and, consequently, macroevolutionary history and processes involving the origin of higher taxa.

A theory postulating is not a fact.

Try again.

Where's your evidence of the, THE, common ancestor. You know, the first life where all other life came from.

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#102320 Oct 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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So you are still set on being a moron.
replaytime occasionally uses his head from more than a place to hang his hat. It would be interesting to see if you could do the same some day.
The evidence for a common ancestor is obvious and has been given to you. Now it is time for you to read and learn. We can talk about evidence for alien life after that.
Negative.

You offered no evidence of the common ancestor.

you offered evidence that postulates all life on earth is related in some way.

That is not evidence of the common ancestor.

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#102321 Oct 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Nope, you are still set on being a moron I see. And this is after I corrected you and said it was not the planet the you were talking about.
Here is a hint for you, you know what planet it is too.
I used your link to your 2nd favorite site, Wiki.

Under "List of habitable planet candidates" the only one that may be able to support life is Gliese 581 g.

That planet hasn't been confirmed to even exist, so how can you claim that it has life?

If you don't wanna play these word games, just tell me the f_cking planet you're talking about.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#102322 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh. Neat.
The theory [common ancestor] specifically postulates that all of the earth's known biota are genealogically related, much in the same way that siblings or cousins are related to one another. Thus, universal common ancestry entails the transformation of one species into another and, consequently, macroevolutionary history and processes involving the origin of higher taxa.
A theory postulating is not a fact.
Try again.
Where's your evidence of the, THE, common ancestor. You know, the first life where all other life came from.
it's in your DNA.

where is your eveidence of even one aspect of your religious cult bullshit?

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#102323 Oct 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Bullshit. If anyone ever was a creatard it was you.
So if you are not a creationist you believe in common descent. I am unaware of any other views. If I am wrong please tell me what your beliefs are.
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I believe in creation through evolution.

All the evidence we have today suggests that life cannot create itself, therefore a creator is necessary.

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Everett, WA

#102324 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh. Neat.
The theory [common ancestor] specifically postulates that all of the earth's known biota are genealogically related, much in the same way that siblings or cousins are related to one another. Thus, universal common ancestry entails the transformation of one species into another and, consequently, macroevolutionary history and processes involving the origin of higher taxa.
A theory postulating is not a fact.
Try again.
Where's your evidence of the, THE, common ancestor. You know, the first life where all other life came from.
Try reading the article Oh Braindead One.

It gives evidence and tests of how we know that all life is related.

You asked for evidence, I gave it to you. I did not think that you were intelligent enough to understand it. If you have specific questions I will be happy to help you to understand.

Now of course your request for "THE, common ancestor" (sic) shows that you have no understanding of evolution. You cannot debunk a theory that you do not understand.

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#102325 Oct 21, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I have seen some of this evidence. It is real.
By the way, you may want to look into getting a better idea of circumstantial evidence. I don't think you know what that means either.
Circumstantial evidence is defined as evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact, like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime.

By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly.

That there was a "common ancestor" is circumstantial evidence.

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Everett, WA

#102326 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I used your link to your 2nd favorite site, Wiki.
Under "List of habitable planet candidates" the only one that may be able to support life is Gliese 581 g.
That planet hasn't been confirmed to even exist, so how can you claim that it has life?
If you don't wanna play these word games, just tell me the f_cking planet you're talking about.
Moron, I did not use Wiki for that claim.

Go back and read my original claim again and try to think. If you smell smoke that is a good sign.

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#102327 Oct 21, 2013
replaytime wrote:

Science says life created itself.
With zero evidence of that.....

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#102328 Oct 21, 2013
davy wrote:
I gave you an answer and now you are changing the question. The talking snake in the bible, haven't you read it? How about some scientific evidence for a talking donkey?
Ya, you did give the answer. You just didn't read your own post very well.

The Bible says it was a talking serpent, not a snake. You own post of Genesis confirmed that.

You DO know that serpent doesn't always and only mean snake, right?

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Everett, WA

#102329 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I believe in creation through evolution.
All the evidence we have today suggests that life cannot create itself, therefore a creator is necessary.
I will answer you last claim first. You are wrong. There is plenty of evidence today that suggests life can rise naturally. There have been many creatard claims that have been proven wrong over the years. Would you care to be specific?

And what do you mean by "creation through evolution"? If you truly believe that then you believe in a common ancestor. And since you dispute a common ancestor it is fairly clear that you are lying.

Do you accept that we share a common ancestor with other apes? With other mammals? With other vertebrates? In other words do you draw an artificial line somewhere?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#102330 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I believe in creation through evolution.
All the evidence we have today suggests that life cannot create itself, therefore a creator is necessary.
creation through evolution?!? that makes no sense...

all the evidence we have suggests there is no creator. all the creators created by religious cults have been proven false and there is not one teensy shred of evidence to suggest any god, gods or goddesses ever existed...

your cult lied to you...again...

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#102331 Oct 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Except I have evidence that my belief has evidence that shows it is possible. Still, I have no major disagreements with you if you believe that life evolved once that single cell existed.
I can assure you that those are not RR's beliefs.
Then you'd assuredly be wrong.

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Everett, WA

#102332 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Negative.
You offered no evidence of the common ancestor.
you offered evidence that postulates all life on earth is related in some way.
That is not evidence of the common ancestor.
Once again , you did not read the article I supplied. I gave evidence. It is not my fault if you are an idiot.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#102333 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Circumstantial evidence is defined as evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact, like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime.
By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly.
That there was a "common ancestor" is circumstantial evidence.
a fingerprint at the scene of a crime inot circumstantial evidence, it is direct proof that that person was at that crime scene..

Logic is a foreign language to you, isn't it?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#102334 Oct 21, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Dude you just won't admit you care what they say for the sake of mere argument. The last 17 threads that have recently been commented on, you are the last one to comment in 12 of them. You just run around to them all trying to pick at someone. LOL
Actually if you noticed a number of those posts weren't even attacking fundies. I just thought it would be fun to take over the last 24 hours worth of threads for a bit.(shrug)

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Everett, WA

#102335 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Circumstantial evidence is defined as evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact, like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime.
By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly.
That there was a "common ancestor" is circumstantial evidence.
And there is nothing wrong with circumstantial evidence. Most evidence is circumstantial. In fact circumstantial evidence is often much stronger than direct evidence. An "eye witness" can give direct evidence, and they have a much higher failure rate than forensic evidence which is almost totally circumstantial.

The reason that most circumstantial evidence is stronger than direct evidence is that bias can very easily enter into direct evidence.

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Everett, WA

#102336 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Then you'd assuredly be wrong.
If that is the case why do you dispute the concept of a common ancestor? You can't have it both ways. You are lying in one of these cases.

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