Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 209486 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#101954 Oct 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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You know it is? Where is your evidence? Just because life is here does not mean it is out there somewhere else. By that logic I can say there are plains, trains and automobiles out there somewhere else to because they are here on earth. LOL
it is proof of life in our universe.

where is your proof of any god anywhere in this universe. any god. or gods, or goddesses? not a shred? not even a hint of a shred? really? why is that do you think?

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#101955 Oct 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:

You lie. You did not read them. Here, lazy ass:
Romans 10:4
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Ephesians 2:15
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace
Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
You lose.
Subduction Zone wrote:
And yet none of those verses clearly states that we are exempt from Old Testament laws, nor were they said by Jesus. That is a double fail on your part.
OMG dude, you still didn't read it. This nonsense that you and woody are playing is getting pretty fucking boring.

Here , read it again:

Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Then tell me "none of those verses clearly states that we are exempt from Old Testament laws".

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#101956 Oct 20, 2013
RR, real scientific evidence comes from articles that went under real peer review.

There is a reason that peer review is a must in science. Many scientists are biased too. They will most likely be biased in favor of their own beliefs. Peer review keeps them honest. Creation "scientists" hate real peer review because the flaws in the articles they write are quickly found and the articles are then rejected. So some of them have made fake peer review publications. Of course all articles from these sites are a joke to say the least. They are all quickly debunked and never are used by any scientists at all.

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#101957 Oct 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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HA HA!!!!
A link to a Christian site is a no-no, but a link to an anti-creationist site is suddenly scientifically accurate?! Dude, you're such a hypocrite.
But hey, it's your first link so I'll play along.
In it, the author writes "Although often used in creationist literature, I have been unable to determine the origin of the term -- it is not a standard geological term."
Which is bullshit. Here, your favorite:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polystrate_fos...
Wrong fool. Links to lying, nonscientific sites are not valid.

I already debunked that by linking an article that you did not read. The claims of creatards are vastly overblown and incorrect. If you want to go over the details of it I will be more than happy to do so.

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#101958 Oct 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:

What talking snake?
davy wrote:
The one in the bible. I assumed that you had read it.
Genesis 3:1
New International Version
The Fall
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman,“Did God really say,‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent,“We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say,‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Ya, I've read that about the Serpent.

You said talking snake. What snake?

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#101959 Oct 20, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>it is proof of life in our universe.
where is your proof of any god anywhere in this universe. any god. or gods, or goddesses? not a shred? not even a hint of a shred? really? why is that do you think?
OK simpleton. We have life on earth. Here is your chance to shine. Name me another place in our universe that has/supports life? This should be easy for you.

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#101960 Oct 20, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Wrong fool. Links to lying, nonscientific sites are not valid.
So is WIKI a scientific site?

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#101961 Oct 20, 2013
RR, when it comes to debunking creationism my favorite site is Talk Origins, not Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a useful site. But since you brought up Wikipedia I found the actual Wiki article on Polystrate fossils, it debunks your claim too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polystrate_fossi...

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#101962 Oct 20, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Nope idiot, I won. And I clearly did not lie. Were any of those verses quotes of Jesus? I said they weren't. If I did not read them then it seems you are claiming that Jesus did make those statements. That does not seem to be the case to me.
At best they are excuses by early Christian apologists. And everyone knows that all Christian apologists are full of shyte.
Oh sure, a and lying atheists are morally perfect....

Get a life, dude. You're just another stubborn atheist that refuses to see what you don't want to see.

I've seen plenty of douchebags like you.

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#101963 Oct 20, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Wrong fool. Links to lying, nonscientific sites are not valid.
Like talkorigins? I know, so don't link to BS sites like that.

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#101964 Oct 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh but there IS evidence.
"Let's Look at the Evidence:
The following are 18 Evidences of either massive flooding and erosion, extremely rapid layering of strata, or direct evidence of a Worldwide Flood. Such evidences are found in numerous places on virtually every Continent."
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scien...
You won't like it, you'll probably not even read it. But there is evidence regardless of your opinions.
You haven't gone very far afield in your search for evidence. You will find the list you present is represented by a number of items that have been repeatedly debunked or are not really evidence that would support a global flood. To date, I know of know evidence or body of evidence that would do so.

For instance, the polystrate fossils listed first were described and understood by geological science over 100 years ago and that understanding still stands. They are the result of rapid sedimentation in place. But evidence exists showing that some trees went through a serious of depositions before complete burial and there an none of the expected marine fossils with the fossil trees that one would expect from a global flood. These trees are also often associated with volcanism, much like that of Mt. St. Helens.

Another mentioned in the list is erratics. The example listed are glacial erratics transported during the ice age. Other erratics associated with floods have not traveled far from their point of origin. A field of erratics of the same age found world wide would be a different story, but none such exists.

Mammoths and montane marine fossils have all been explained by geological and biological evidence and no more support a great flood than does Stevie Ray Vaughn.

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#101965 Oct 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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TalkOrigins is not a scientific site, it's an atheist site.
Derp.
No it isn't moron.

The site has nothing to say about the existence or nonexistence of God. Derp indeed.

If it is an atheistic site I challenge you to find one article that says there is no god in that entire site.

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#101966 Oct 20, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Wrong fool. Links to lying, nonscientific sites are not valid.
I already debunked that by linking an article that you did not read. The claims of creatards are vastly overblown and incorrect. If you want to go over the details of it I will be more than happy to do so.
Is talk origins a scientific site?

Your rule means you follow them too. No more Wiki or The TalkOrigins links from you. They will no be invalid unless they are scientific sites.

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#101967 Oct 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
HA HA!!!!
A link to a Christian site is a no-no, but a link to an anti-creationist site is suddenly scientifically accurate?! Dude, you're such a hypocrite.
But hey, it's your first link so I'll play along.
In it, the author writes "Although often used in creationist literature, I have been unable to determine the origin of the term -- it is not a standard geological term."
Which is bullshit. Here, your favorite:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polystrate_fos...
From your link
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polystrate_fos...

"In geology, such fossils are referred to as upright fossils, trunks, or trees. Brief periods of rapid sedimentation favor their formation.[2][4] Upright fossils are typically found in layers associated with an actively subsiding coastal plain or rift basin, or with the accumulation of volcanic material around a periodically erupting stratovolcano. Typically, this period of rapid sedimentation was followed by a period of time, decades to thousands of years long, characterized by very slow or no accumulation of sediments. In river deltas and other coastal plain settings, rapid sedimentation is often the end result of a brief period of accelerated subsidence of an area of coastal plain relative to sea level caused by salt tectonics, global sea level rise, growth faulting, continental margin collapse, or some combination of these factors.[4] For example, geologists such as John W. F. Waldron and Michael C. Rygel have argued that the rapid burial and preservation of polystrate fossil trees found at Joggins, Nova Scotia was the direct result of rapid subsidence, caused by salt tectonics within an already subsiding pull apart basin, and resulting rapid accumulation of sediments.[5][6] The specific layers containing polystrate fossils occupy only a very limited fraction of the total area of any of these basins.[5][7]"

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#101968 Oct 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You lie. You did not read them. Here, lazy ass:
Romans 10:4
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Ephesians 2:15
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace
Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
You lose.
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OMG dude, you still didn't read it. This nonsense that you and woody are playing is getting pretty fucking boring.
Here , read it again:
Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
Then tell me "none of those verses clearly states that we are exempt from Old Testament laws".
What a Maroon!

Of course I read them. They are poor apologetics at best.

One more time idiot, where does Jesus ever say we are excused from the Laws of the Old Testament.

Even your verses are not clear. In fact if they excuse us from any of the OT laws they excuse us from all of them.

Try to think logically and consistently. I know this is a big challenge for a creatard.

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#101969 Oct 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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So is WIKI a scientific site?
A scientific site is one that bases their articles upon peer reviewed science.

That should be obvious even to you.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#101970 Oct 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Uhm no it is you that seem to keep skipping over the fact that the only life we know of, have seen, have tested, have observed, have studied is ONLY here on earth.
At only .0000000000000000001% of the universe you have a long way to go to prove other life and to disprove God huh. LOL
yes, to disprove any god whatsoever, one would need to examine every single molecule of our universe. yet there is still not one teensy shred of evidence to even suggest one exists so that conversation cannot even rationally start until you find that shred...

we do know life is here in the universe though... so we know there is life in this universe, now we are just looking for more. no one is looking for more gods as there is no evidence of even one anywhere...not even a hint of one...not even a shred of a hint...

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#101971 Oct 20, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yet the god of your cult has been proven to be a myth, so s/he certainly cannot predict it either...
basically, you entire post is pointless, as usual....
Dumb! And yet that death must surely come. Why are you narrow minded?

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#101972 Oct 20, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No it isn't moron.
The site has nothing to say about the existence or nonexistence of God. Derp indeed.
If it is an atheistic site I challenge you to find one article that says there is no god in that entire site.
You say and I quote "when it comes to debunking creationism my favorite site is Talk Origins"

You also say and again I quote "nonscientific sites are not valid"

So why do you use so many nonscientific sites? From now on I won't waste my time reading them since they are not valid.

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Everett, WA

#101973 Oct 20, 2013
One problem with "Polystrate fossils" is that they don't exist. A more correct term might be "Polylamina fossils". A geologic stratum can be hundreds of feet thick. I know of no fossils that go from one stratum to the next. I do know of fossils that could be said to go through various lamina.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_strata_rock

"Individual bands may vary in thickness from a few millimeters to a kilometer or more. Each band represents a specific mode of deposition-river silt, beach sand, coal swamp, sand dune, lava bed, etc."

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