Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 209895 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#101668 Oct 19, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
Judaism is not Christianity. I have no idea why you people keep going on about Judaism and pawning it off Christianity...Christianity is based on the teaching of the Christ.
Jesus reprimanded the Jews several times for their mis-guided ways such as stoning,using the church as a money institution etc.
Although, some of the Old Testament morals and traditions are still retained because they parallel the same standards that true Christians try to adhere to, such as the ten commandments.
Wikimedia: Christian views on the Old Covenant
Although Christianity affirms that the Pentateuch is part of Scripture that is inspired of God, Christian tradition, in this case similar to Jewish tradition, denies that all of the Old Covenant still applies directly to Christians, but different arguments are used to reach that conclusion and there are differences of opinion within Christianity as to which parts, if any, still apply. The predominant Christian view is that Jesus mediates a New Covenant relationship between God and his followers, according to the New Testament, which ended or set aside some or all of the Old Covenant.[4] Christianity, almost without exception, teaches that this New Covenant is the instrument through which God offers mercy and atonement to mankind.
There is mention of a "New Covenant" in the New Testament, but it is never defined. In fact Jesus himself said that all of the laws of the Old Testament were still to apply. Do you want me to quote the verse?

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#101669 Oct 19, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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There is mention of a "New Covenant" in the New Testament, but it is never defined. In fact Jesus himself said that all of the laws of the Old Testament were still to apply. Do you want me to quote the verse?
Why? You have already stated that you do not believe any of what the bible says.

But yet, you are more than willing to offer up a quote by Jesus as a fact(?)

No. But you can quote me the verse where it says that even Jesus's disciples had a hard time understanding what he was trying to teach them.

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#101670 Oct 19, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>infamous...it means MORE than famous....
Would you say I have a plethora of pinatas?

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#101671 Oct 19, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Why? You have already stated that you do not believe any of what the bible says.
But yet, you are more than willing to offer up a quote by Jesus as a fact(?)
No. But you can quote me the verse where it says that even Jesus's disciples had a hard time understanding what he was trying to teach them.
I didn't say that I don't believe anything that the Bible says. It is obvious to all that there are countless errors in it. Still that does not mean it is all wrong. And if a Christian makes a foolish claim there is no reason that the Bible cannot be used against him.

And you need to read what I wrote again. I never mentioned the disciples. I said that Jesus said that ALL of the laws of the Old Testament still apply.

Don't you ever read your own Bible?

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#101672 Oct 19, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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This made me think a bit. If you listed a mixture of silly myths, like a singing bush:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =7yNV-GXoeCMXX
Miraculous cures:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
And mix them in with Biblical miracles and Biblical cures I wonder how many Christians could separate their nonsense from the other nonsense.
If only the invisible swordsman had known about the zero gravity position and been wearing a magnetic bracelet, he may have lived.

People are still looking for miracles even today. I don't know that those that are desperate or easily taken in would be able to tease out the nonsense. You would probably have the fundamentalists out running around the country looking for singing bushes. That would be funny though.

Do you remember the Jimmy Swaggart prostitution scandal? At some point in that story, Swaggart apparently claimed he was chased around his house by demons. I know people that believe that deeply. They can't separate reality from fantasy when it comes to their beliefs.

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#101673 Oct 19, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I didn't say that I don't believe anything that the Bible says. It is obvious to all that there are countless errors in it. Still that does not mean it is all wrong. And if a Christian makes a foolish claim there is no reason that the Bible cannot be used against him.
And you need to read what I wrote again. I never mentioned the disciples. I said that Jesus said that ALL of the laws of the Old Testament still apply.
Don't you ever read your own Bible?
So your saying you believe some of the bible, but not all of it?

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#101674 Oct 19, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>If only the invisible swordsman had known about the zero gravity position and been wearing a magnetic bracelet, he may have lived.
People are still looking for miracles even today. I don't know that those that are desperate or easily taken in would be able to tease out the nonsense. You would probably have the fundamentalists out running around the country looking for singing bushes. That would be funny though.
Do you remember the Jimmy Swaggart prostitution scandal? At some point in that story, Swaggart apparently claimed he was chased around his house by demons. I know people that believe that deeply. They can't separate reality from fantasy when it comes to their beliefs.
Well at least Ted Haggard is completely heterosexual now:



I just noted that the singer of this song has the same last name as Bob Dylan had at first.

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#101675 Oct 19, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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So your saying you believe some of the bible, but not all of it?
Sure, I am not a fanatic.

I don't believe in any of the nonsense of the Bible.

For example we all know that there is a city called Tyre. Which never was destroyed as predicted by Ezekiel. It was attacked by Nebuchadnezzar, but he never defeated it. Nor did he even come close to defeating Egypt.

And even if I did not believe one word of it the Bible could still be used as a weapon against Christians when they get their own holy book wrong.

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#101676 Oct 19, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Sure, I am not a fanatic.
I don't believe in any of the nonsense of the Bible.
For example we all know that there is a city called Tyre. Which never was destroyed as predicted by Ezekiel. It was attacked by Nebuchadnezzar, but he never defeated it. Nor did he even come close to defeating Egypt.
And even if I did not believe one word of it the Bible could still be used as a weapon against Christians when they get their own holy book wrong.
Actually I'm not trying to be contrary as it may seem...only trying to establish what parts of the bible you consider as true and the ones you consider not true for conversation sake.

Am I to take it that you believe all quotes by Jesus to be true since that was your point of reference?

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#101677 Oct 19, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually I'm not trying to be contrary as it may seem...only trying to establish what parts of the bible you consider as true and the ones you consider not true for conversation sake.
Am I to take it that you believe all quotes by Jesus to be true since that was your point of reference?
Now you are being a fool.

How many times do I have to tell you that the Bible can be used against a Christian when he does not understand his own religion.

I have strong doubts about the veracity of the quotes of Jesus. Some of them may be true, some of them may be false. It does not matter.

Are you completely devoid of the ability to think logically?

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#101678 Oct 19, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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I'm aware of that recent snowfall in 2011. Snowfall in the Atacama is not unheard of and usually occurs in January or February. The fact that this happens and is *KNOWN* to happen in no way discounts Dr. Dunai's research that some dry riverbeds he has studied have had no water running through them in 100,000+ years. Even if those same riverbed were flood to the top in 2011, it does not refute his research done six years earlier.
In mountainous areas which this desert sits, streams, rivers, lakes and ponds are fed by three sources of water. Underground springs, snow melt and glacial melt.
This scientist claims certain streams and river beds haven't had water flowing in them for a hundred thousand years and more.
What this scientist failed to mention, is much of Peru and this desert area and the higher elevated areas surrounding it have suffered a few glacial ages in the last 100,000 years.
A glacial age leaves glaciers. The glaciers and heavy snowfall on nearby higher elevated areas would have fed those rivers, streams, lakes and ponds for months to maybe years till the heavy snow melt was gone and the glaciers disappeared.
He doesn't address those facts. The ENTIRE desert was covered in deep thick snow and ALL rivers and stream beds flowed as this snow melted yet that fact matters not to him. To him CERTAIN river and stream beds have some invisible force field that has kept them dry as he states it for over 100,000 years while the rest of the desert was subjected to snow and glacier melt runoff.
I looked for his explanation of this. He gave none. To him when glaciers and deep snow on other elevated areas were slowly melting during the warming up period of the end of that glacial age, he insinuates water run off purposefully avoided certain rivers and streams on this desert for 100,000 years. Makes sense to those wanting to believe that I suppose.

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#101679 Oct 19, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Well at least Ted Haggard is completely heterosexual now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =HZmHC75FDqQXX
I just noted that the singer of this song has the same last name as Bob Dylan had at first.
Thanks for posting that SZ. It is hilarious.

Haggard is completely heterosexual and Swaggart is way too heterosexual. Apparently there is a limit. No one ever told me.

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#101680 Oct 19, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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In mountainous areas which this desert sits, streams, rivers, lakes and ponds are fed by three sources of water. Underground springs, snow melt and glacial melt.
This scientist claims certain streams and river beds haven't had water flowing in them for a hundred thousand years and more.
What this scientist failed to mention, is much of Peru and this desert area and the higher elevated areas surrounding it have suffered a few glacial ages in the last 100,000 years.
A glacial age leaves glaciers. The glaciers and heavy snowfall on nearby higher elevated areas would have fed those rivers, streams, lakes and ponds for months to maybe years till the heavy snow melt was gone and the glaciers disappeared.
He doesn't address those facts. The ENTIRE desert was covered in deep thick snow and ALL rivers and stream beds flowed as this snow melted yet that fact matters not to him. To him CERTAIN river and stream beds have some invisible force field that has kept them dry as he states it for over 100,000 years while the rest of the desert was subjected to snow and glacier melt runoff.
I looked for his explanation of this. He gave none. To him when glaciers and deep snow on other elevated areas were slowly melting during the warming up period of the end of that glacial age, he insinuates water run off purposefully avoided certain rivers and streams on this desert for 100,000 years. Makes sense to those wanting to believe that I suppose.
Where are you getting the information on snowfall and glaciation in the Atatama?

If the data that was found indicate that there was no water flowing in these river beds for as much as 100,000 years, why would there be need to address glaciation that isn't supplying water to the rivers? In other words, you are demanding DNA evidence when the killer confessed and there were eye witnesses and video footage. Not a perfect analogy but the point remains that if no evidence of water flow was found, why would you look for a source of water.

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#101681 Oct 19, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Now you are being a fool.
How many times do I have to tell you that the Bible can be used against a Christian when he does not understand his own religion.
I have strong doubts about the veracity of the quotes of Jesus. Some of them may be true, some of them may be false. It does not matter.
Are you completely devoid of the ability to think logically?
So basically your saying that you study the bible not to learn the truth, but you study to use it to attack Christians?

...interesting

ok then, I'm out of here.

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#101682 Oct 19, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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You have certainly defended the possibility. No question of that.
So can you names these scientists or are you going to continue to run away.
No I didn't. I said the earth has the potential to globally flood itself. I never stated exactly when, how or why it would happen. You assumed from what I said I meant others things I never said. So that's on you :)

The theory that the earth has enough water in the crust to be forced up to flood this planet well above it's highest peaks is in it's infancy of thought. There are no facts. It's a theory that's growing in possibilities as more and more research is done about water in the earth's crust and how much may be there.
Consider this from the NG link about water in the crust and how much may 'possibly' be there that's not being accounted for.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/...

A Look at Earth's Fate

The new study also reveals clues to Earth's long-term fate, says Norman Sleep, a geophysicist at Stanford University who was not involved in the project.

When the planet was young, steam came from the deep interior to the surface as volcanic gas and eventually produced today's oceans. But as Earth's interior ages and cools, it becomes easier for water to return below the surface.

"So, rather than degassing, now [Earth] may be losing water into the mantle," Sleep said.

This gradual suction of water back below the surface may be a good thing for Earth's geological stability, he notes.

Underground water acts as a kind of lubricant that allows plates in Earth's crust to keep shifting at their present rate, Sleep explains.

This helps keep the thickness and elevation of the continents relatively stable.

If things changed, he said, "we'd have Pike's Peak boat tours."

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#101683 Oct 19, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
So basically your saying that you study the bible not to learn the truth, but you study to use it to attack Christians?
...interesting
ok then, I'm out of here.
Oh my Flying Spaghetti Monster, you are a complete moron.

There is no "truth" in the Bible to be found. I already have found that out. Yet foolish Christians still try to use it. Since Christians try to use the Bible as a weapon why can't I? Especially if Christians, such as you, are wrong about their own foolish beliefs.

Of course fools who do not realize that at the very least parts of the Bible are false will never understand how their beliefs are faulty. They will simply believe what they want to believe because it makes them feel good, not because that is what the Bible actually says.

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#101684 Oct 19, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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No I didn't. I said the earth has the potential to globally flood itself. I never stated exactly when, how or why it would happen. You assumed from what I said I meant others things I never said. So that's on you :)
The theory that the earth has enough water in the crust to be forced up to flood this planet well above it's highest peaks is in it's infancy of thought. There are no facts. It's a theory that's growing in possibilities as more and more research is done about water in the earth's crust and how much may be there.
Consider this from the NG link about water in the crust and how much may 'possibly' be there that's not being accounted for.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/...
A Look at Earth's Fate
The new study also reveals clues to Earth's long-term fate, says Norman Sleep, a geophysicist at Stanford University who was not involved in the project.
When the planet was young, steam came from the deep interior to the surface as volcanic gas and eventually produced today's oceans. But as Earth's interior ages and cools, it becomes easier for water to return below the surface.
"So, rather than degassing, now [Earth] may be losing water into the mantle," Sleep said.
This gradual suction of water back below the surface may be a good thing for Earth's geological stability, he notes.
Underground water acts as a kind of lubricant that allows plates in Earth's crust to keep shifting at their present rate, Sleep explains.
This helps keep the thickness and elevation of the continents relatively stable.
If things changed, he said, "we'd have Pike's Peak boat tours."
If there are no facts then it isn't a theory. It is just conjecture.

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#101685 Oct 19, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
No I didn't. I said the earth has the potential to globally flood itself. I never stated exactly when, how or why it would happen. You assumed from what I said I meant others things I never said. So that's on you :)
The theory that the earth has enough water in the crust to be forced up to flood this planet well above it's highest peaks is in it's infancy of thought. There are no facts. It's a theory that's growing in possibilities as more and more research is done about water in the earth's crust and how much may be there.
Consider this from the NG link about water in the crust and how much may 'possibly' be there that's not being accounted for.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/...
A Look at Earth's Fate
The new study also reveals clues to Earth's long-term fate, says Norman Sleep, a geophysicist at Stanford University who was not involved in the project.
When the planet was young, steam came from the deep interior to the surface as volcanic gas and eventually produced today's oceans. But as Earth's interior ages and cools, it becomes easier for water to return below the surface.
"So, rather than degassing, now [Earth] may be losing water into the mantle," Sleep said.
This gradual suction of water back below the surface may be a good thing for Earth's geological stability, he notes.
Underground water acts as a kind of lubricant that allows plates in Earth's crust to keep shifting at their present rate, Sleep explains.
This helps keep the thickness and elevation of the continents relatively stable.
If things changed, he said, "we'd have Pike's Peak boat tours."
Water both leaves and reenters the mantle. You did not understand the article. It does not imply that the Earth could be flooded by water from the mantle. And the exchange of water is a very slow process. It cannot be used as a mechanism for a global flood. In fact the difference in sea level height is immeasurably small over a whole year from the exchange of water from the mantle to the oceans and back.

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#101686 Oct 19, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>No, you twit.
The last glaciation the might have affected the Atacama occurred in the Pleistocene.
That started 2.5 million years ago.
No you twit. There's a difference between 'ice ages' and 'glacial ages' that you're unfamiliar with. I took the following from the web just so you can learn this difference. Your welcome :)

Glaciation is a single event occurring in an ice-age period. We are currently in an ice age in earth history, but not currently in a period of glaciation. An interglacial period of moderate temperatures. More glacial episodes are expected to occur in the future. Log on http://www.icecooltrailers.co.uk/

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#101687 Oct 19, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
No you twit. There's a difference between 'ice ages' and 'glacial ages' that you're unfamiliar with. I took the following from the web just so you can learn this difference. Your welcome :)
Glaciation is a single event occurring in an ice-age period. We are currently in an ice age in earth history, but not currently in a period of glaciation. An interglacial period of moderate temperatures. More glacial episodes are expected to occur in the future. Log on http://www.icecooltrailers.co.uk/
What makes you think there were glaciers up in the Andes above the Atacama? If you follow this link you will see that there were spots during the last glaciation where the Andes were bare:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Last_glacia...

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