Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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ChristineM wrote:
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Nope, you are wrong again.
Can you see air? Can you breathe air? Is air invisible, is it imaginary?
Can you see ionising radiation? Does it damage DNA and cells? Is ionising radiation invisible? Is it imaginary? Perhaps you should tell the wartime inhabitants of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that they all imagined it
Wrong, you do not know, you believe that your god exists, there is a profound difference and what is amusing is that if your compared your god to anyone else’s god, you would find they are difference – why? because they are figments of your personal imagination which is tempered by your personal experience
Been there, done that and shown your comparison between a date line and a god to be idiotic
Air and ionizing radiation can be seen...

Yer turn...

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ChristineM wrote:
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No science cannot create a natural human brain, can godbots?
Science can't even create life.

Why should we believe them when they say that they know the origin of life?

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Sounds like gobbledegook.
Kong gave as a reply apples and oranges.
How do you define your most recent common ancestor?(given the entire alien seeding running as a main theme trough your life.)
LUCA would be found in Carpentras-soil or those of similar constitution to form a fatty cell-wall.
When? Take a huge ballparknumber, but really huge since it involves all life.
So if your question is about time between those events...
Looks to me like that apple and orange are from the same tree.

The last universal ancestor (LUA), also called the last universal common ancestor (LUCA), or the cenancestor, is the most recent organism from which all organisms now living on Earth descend. Thus it is the most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all current life on Earth. The LUA is estimated to have lived some 3.5 to 3.8 billion years ago (sometime in the Paleoarchean era).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_universal_a... ?
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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I am not interested in seriosness. The issue is that, God almighty do exist.
But I don't take your claims seriously. Since you aren't interested in being serious you should have no problem with that and be happy in your belief in talking donkeys and lizards.
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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Gibberish! The handiwork of God can never be replaced by any chemical shit.
It already has. Since God has not been necessary for over 3.5 billion years. So either God set the ball rolling and let natural forces take over, or, a God was never even necessary in the first place.
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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Point of correction, we don't masturbate but pray.
There are many forms of wanking, and preaching is one of them.
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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> A simple answer. This is beyond your level of understanding. Science is limited here. God is the creator of the universe.
So? It's not like that stops you from placing limits on Him.(shrug)
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If evolution exists today, it has always existed. It does exist today and can be proven beyond any doubt.
An egg, that is so small it can not be detected with the human eye, is joined with a sperm that is so small it, too, can not be detected with the human eye.
It begins to EVOLVE into a mass of cells that is doubling and growing larger. The first four weeks it has no signs of life other than doubling in size.
In five weeks that mass has EVOLVED into an embryo with a heartbeat.
Over the next few weeks it EVOLVES into a recognizable shape and begins to sprout fingers and toes.
In approximately 40 weeks a thing that could not be detected without a powerful microscope EVOLVES into a human baby.
EVOLUTION. Gotta love it.
Oh, no god was involved in that evolution. Just science.
Just to be clear, if you want to use the word 'evolve' simply as 'change over time', then in a more colloquial context then we could describe embryonic development as a kind of evolution, in a similar vain of cosmologists observing the universe changing over time as universal evolution. However if we are referring specifically to evolution in a scientific biological context, then individuals don't evolve, populations do. Each generation changes slightly from one to the next, and THAT is biological evolution.

As for whether or not a God was responsible, science doesn't have much to say about that since the concept of a God is not scientific.
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Charles ldemi wrote:
<quoted text>Gibberish! The handiwork of God can never be replaced by any chemical shit.
Really? Scientists can drop an egg into a container of chemicals and grow a baby.
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Just to be clear, if you want to use the word 'evolve' simply as 'change over time', then in a more colloquial context then we could describe embryonic development as a kind of evolution, in a similar vain of cosmologists observing the universe changing over time as universal evolution. However if we are referring specifically to evolution in a scientific biological context, then individuals don't evolve, populations do. Each generation changes slightly from one to the next, and THAT is biological evolution.
As for whether or not a God was responsible, science doesn't have much to say about that since the concept of a God is not scientific.
Populations can't evolve if the individual can not evolve.

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But I don't take your claims seriously. Since you aren't interested in being serious you should have no problem with that and be happy in your belief in talking donkeys and lizards.
Oh, God....

Another ignorant atheist...

Here we go.

There was no talking donkey in the Bible, if you read it, it says The Lord did the talking.

And what's this about a talking lizard? That's not in the Bible, either...
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<quoted text>Populations can't evolve if the individual can not evolve.
Individuals do not evolve during their lifetime. Their genetics are set. What HAS changed is their genetics as compared to their parents. We each get just under half of our genome from our mother, and half from our father. Plus we are all born with around 125 to 175 mutations which neither of our parents had. If this is what you mean by individuals "evolving" then okay, but technically it would be incorrect terminology, as an individual cannot be considered a 'new species'. That is why it must pass on its new traits onto others of its kind and this genetic divergence eventually leads to speciation. Hence why populations are needed, and are in biological terms, considered to evolve.
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And what's this about a talking lizard? That's not in the Bible, either...
Right. It was a talking snake running an apple scam.
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Oh, God....
Another ignorant atheist...
I am? I never claimed to be.
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Here we go.
There was no talking donkey in the Bible, if you read it, it says The Lord did the talking.
Uhuh. Like the bush. May as well call it ventriloquism then.(shrug)
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And what's this about a talking lizard? That's not in the Bible, either...
Sure it is. Genesis. Told 'em to eat the apple. Remember?

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Oh, God....
Another ignorant atheist...
Here we go.
There was no talking donkey in the Bible, if you read it, it says The Lord did the talking.
And what's this about a talking lizard? That's not in the Bible, either...
"Am not I thine ass,"

Numbers 22
28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
29 And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.
30 And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.

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Oh, God....
Another ignorant atheist...
Here we go.
There was no talking donkey in the Bible, if you read it, it says The Lord did the talking.
And what's this about a talking lizard? That's not in the Bible, either...
That depends on what you read.

New Living Translation
Then the LORD gave the donkey the ABILITY to speak. "What have I done to you that deserves your beating me three times?" it asked Balaam.

International Standard Version
That's when the LORD ENABLED the donkey to speak. She asked Balaam, "What did I do to you that you would beat me in the space of only three footsteps?"

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Then the LORD MADE the donkey speak, and it asked Balaam, "What have I done to make you hit me three times?"

http://biblehub.com/numbers/22-28.htm
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RiversideRedneck wrote:
Air and ionizing radiation can be seen...
Actually I'm looking at the far side of the room and I can't see any air. It is fair to say that air can be invisible.
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Science can't even create life.
It can't create gravity either, but that's not a valid criticism of the theory of gravity.
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Why should we believe them when they say that they know the origin of life?
When did they ever claim that? They didn't. What they have is a hypothesis which fits the facts. Unlike creationists who claim to know everything while actually knowing either very little, or making claims contrary to reality, science has never claimed to know the specifics of how abiogenesis occurred. But they do know it did occur since life is in fact, here.
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Judge Marcus wrote:
<quoted text>Right. It was a talking snake running an apple scam.
Well technically it was a lizard until God punished it for the whole Adam and Eve thing, and chopped of his legs and forcing him to crawl on his belly until the end of time and eat dirt. THEN it was a snake.

With an unusual diet.
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"Am not I thine ass,"
Numbers 22
28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
29 And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.
30 And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.
Indeed, it doth appear that it was not so much The Lord speaking, but rather The Lord giving the donkey the power of speech, like He did with humans.

And lizards.

Oh, and parrots. See, why didn't they make the lizard a parrot instead? That would have been far more feasible.
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Well technically it was a lizard until God punished it for the whole Adam and Eve thing, and chopped of his legs and forcing him to crawl on his belly until the end of time and eat dirt. THEN it was a snake.
With an unusual diet.
Which is a bit unfair if you ask me, since the whole thing was God's fault anyway.

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