Evolution vs. Creation

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101211 Oct 16, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
I agree and this is where I've used your logic for why life else where doesn't exist
No you haven't.
No Surprise wrote:
and you don't seem to like me doing it. Why is that? For all the 'reasonable' evidence you claim exists to prove a global flood never happened, every time we look farther and farther into the universe, every time we get to analyze a planet's chemical makeup and or it's surface, we reveal overwhelming evidence life exists on earth and only earth.
No, all we find is that life isn't where we looked yet. Or we haven't actually looked closely enough because we don't yet have the tech to do so.

Life does not violate physics.

Global flood does.

That is the difference.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101212 Oct 16, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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lol...you're so correct. But inquiring minds will note what astronomers have noted. And you being a skeptic haven't noted what they noted and didn't think what they now know is a fact wasn't and still isn't a fact to you. You're wearing blinders like horses wore to afford you your skepticism. Doesn't have to be that way, just saying :)
Of the two of us it is not me who has rejected science. So your post is disingenuous to say the least.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101213 Oct 16, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Talking crap? Read your own logic why don't you..lol.
We have plenty of evidence against the existence of life on other planets
Sure we do. Plenty of evidence against life on Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto, Neptune, Mercury, Venus, etc.

No evidence AGAINST life around Rigel.
No Surprise wrote:
and you say it doesn't matter that life could still exist.
Yes. With TRILLONS of stars in the universe there could quite easily be lots of other Earth-like life-sustaining planets. There is nothing in physics that prevents this possibility.
No Surprise wrote:
Yet in the same breath you state the same exact conclusion for why a flood didn't happen even though some claim it could have. You go dude...lol.
That's because the flood VIOLATES physics. Alien life does not. Therefore you need evidence that physics radically changes and flip-flops at whim, on a regular basis. In short, you need evidence of invisible magic Jew wizards.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#101214 Oct 16, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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You have to give them a break. According to science nothing could ever pass through the corona of the sun and survive. But it happened and it wasn't even something big. This is all new to them and goes against what they have been told by science. So now they have to re-think and have time to come up with new excuses for answers. Give them a little time and they will come up with some BS answer.
It maybe also that gravitational lensing may have made it appear to pass a bit closer than it actually did. But 87,000 miles
is a pretty good distance replay, that's about 3x times the distance
from a geosync orbit of Earth and and over 1/3 the distance to the moon.

“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#101215 Oct 16, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>what about the Neandertals?
The average person is around 4% Neanderthal by DNA

Oh and around 25% daffodil
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101216 Oct 16, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Likewise. God exist and there is nothing you or any one else can do about that. For Dude, he calls them goat herders, what were your ancestors doing before now? Living under the earth.
As will you. Always remember that every time you pretend to be all high and mighty to us.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101217 Oct 16, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Divine miracle ofcourse. Science has its own limitations. Without the brain, there is no science, can science create a brain? No but God can. Go back to your barbaric ancestors and learn from them.
We did. God didn't make the Earth flat. And God didn't bother to tell us it wasn't either.(shrug)

You can thank science for that. And thank science for your computer too, but you won't because you're a hypocrite.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101218 Oct 16, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Nope.
Yup. It's right there in the Bible. Your only excuse is that they said one thing but you "know" that they meant something completely different.
Charles Idemi wrote:
<Your barbaric ancestors did more than that. Grow up!
I did. That's why I don't believe in talking donkeys and lizards like in the Bible.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101219 Oct 16, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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lol...you evolutionists are such hypocrites. You believe as creationists that non life created life. Yet you chuckle at them for thinking such an absurd thought when the fact remains what created life is a present unknown be it lifeless inorganic matter or an invisible being that made itself from nothing to exist.
Why am I a hypocrite when I'm not the one arguing against a caricature?

No matter how many times we explain a concept you still get it wrong. That's not our problem.
No Surprise wrote:
Then there's the fact that there's as much evidence to show life doesn't exist anywhere else as there is evidence to show a global flood couldn't have happened according to you.
You're wrong as usual and we've since explained why. Since you have NOT been able to refute subsequent rebuttals all you can do is repeat fallacious arguments we have already dealt with.

Therefore you are either dishonest or stupid. Possibily both, I'm open minded to all three.
No Surprise wrote:
Here's a substantiated fact. We have a wide variety of planets with different chemical make ups in this solar system. If life could have been sustained in different forms on other planets as it's happened on this planet, those planets had about the same amount of time or more to develop that life through the same process of evolution as it's happened on this planet. And here's some more of your hypocrisy. You make excuses for why life can't be found yet you howl at those who by the same logic supply excuses for why a global flood hasn't been found. Too fricking good, you go dude.
Here's more substantiated fact - global flood as espoused in the Bible violates physics. Life on other planets does not. The reasons I gave as to why life hasn't been found elsewhere yet ARE valid. And further, you AREN'T able to address them.

In short your ignorance is NOT our problem.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#101220 Oct 16, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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lol...and your response is a perfect example of how people reacted when it was first theorized and asteroid led to the demise of the dinosaur. And if a small tiny comet survived the sun's comet, that's proof your shallow mind can't comprehend that maybe, just maybe if it happened something larger and more solid might penetrate beyond the corona and do who knows what damage. But of course your the skeptic that pretends pigs can fly to prove you'll reject other possibilities based on actual evidence.
Because anything's possible. Anywhere. At any time.

/sarcasm

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Seffner, FL

#101221 Oct 16, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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You have to give them a break. According to science nothing could ever pass through the corona of the sun and survive. But it happened and it wasn't even something big. This is all new to them and goes against what they have been told by science. So now they have to re-think and have time to come up with new excuses for answers. Give them a little time and they will come up with some BS answer.
Hey, RP! How about some links to where 'science' said nothing could ever survive a pass through the corona. I haven't found it as yet.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101222 Oct 16, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
In theory, systems older than our own that are like our own should have developed life as our own or maybe even a different life form that has accelerated to having an intelligent specie like ourselves but more developed. That's in theory. And with that developed intelligence one would think they would have came here in discovering us long before we knew of them. That's in theory.
That's in YOUR theory. But you have long shown that science is not your forte.
No Surprise wrote:
But what science has shown in it's research is that life as developed as our own is a growing improbability.
In this solar system yes. Mars has had much less time and IF life was there it may have now died out due to it losing its atmosphere due to a lack of magnetic field. As for Europa being covered in ice, it may have taken longer for its insides to be warmed by the sun before life could develop, so if the trait of intelligence takes a while to evolve, again, it may not have had the chance. The other problem is that intelligence itself has its disadvantages, so there is no reason that life as intelligent as us would be selected for. Or even if it does they could end up wiping each other out for the sake of invisible magic (invented) Gods.
No Surprise wrote:
People of science was theorized life as our own did exist else where.
No, they HYPOTHESISE that life can exist eslewhere. And still do.
No Surprise wrote:
Finding none science has settled for looking for just cell life or even fossilized life. Understand? Science is reaching for the smallest straws to reason why life developed here and so far obviously hasn't developed elsewhere in like manner.
It has nothing to do with clutching at straws and everything to do with your lack of comprehension of any of the subjects involved.
No Surprise wrote:
We know life exists we just don't why it exists.
That makes no difference whether life exists elsewhere or not.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#101223 Oct 16, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Here's what I know. Anything can be a possibility. What I like is the humorous similarity between evolutionists and creationists. Concerning life, they both believe the first living thing was made from non living matter.
Every living thing is still make up of non-living matter. Unless, of course, you can demonstrate living carbon or some other living element.

What is your proposal for the source for the 'first living thing'?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101224 Oct 16, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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This is easy. Let's begin with an actual science teacher shall we?Please go to your nearest middle school and find a science teacher and ask them if the earth has the capability to cause one or more natural catastrophes it will on a minor or major scale. See, I don't know about you, but I was taught by science teachers and professors of science while in school that the earth can do whatever it will as far as catastrophes go. According to you your science teachers taught you the exact opposite that the earth has a limited potential and can only do so much concerning natural catastrophes according to the dictates of humans (like you and your science teachers)and what they think the planet can do and won't do. Speaking of arrogance...you and your mind control of this planet...got ya lol
Actually physics controls this planet. Anything you were taught about science in school you have long forgotten. Go back and ask them if mountains might float on thin air tomorrow. Or if anything on Earth would survive if we turn up the temps to 10,000 degrees kelvin. If they say yes without laughing we know they were creationists.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101225 Oct 16, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
Conclusively. If those invisible lines exist, then the almighty God who is also invisible exist. Case closed!
Those lines are arbitrary.

Just like your God.

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#101226 Oct 16, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lol...and your response is a perfect example of how people reacted when it was first theorized and asteroid led to the demise of the dinosaur. And if a small tiny comet survived the sun's comet, that's proof your shallow mind can't comprehend that maybe, just maybe if it happened something larger and more solid might penetrate beyond the corona and do who knows what damage. But of course your the skeptic that pretends pigs can fly to prove you'll reject other possibilities based on actual evidence.
No it isnít! It may be how you reacted, but many people were perfectly aware of the fragility of our ball of rock in a hostile solar system. All the discovery of the Yucatan event did was validate that understanding.

Do you have ANY idea of the size of the sun? Even a big comet would make no difference, a mere drop in the ocean. Any solar flare would devour/vaporise a comet before it got close enough to make a drop mark on the surface.

Here is something for you to ponder, at least 1,300,000 earthís would fit in the sun. but perhaps a comet the size of Jupiter would make an impression but a comet the size of a comet creating the damage you are so paranoid about is just laughable

More info to educate yourself with, debris is falling into the sun and just about every other object in the solar system all the time. Around 14 million tons of debris from space falls on the earth each year. I canít be bothered with the calculations but it is possible to use that figure to estimate given the surface area and colossal gravity of the sun how much falls into the sun.

As they say, a little knowledge can be dangerous and it is sure that you have little knowledge.

Actually you were the one pretending and what if and maybe, I was simply having a laugh at your expense

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#101227 Oct 16, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
You have to give them a break. According to science nothing could ever pass through the corona of the sun and survive. But it happened and it wasn't even something big. This is all new to them and goes against what they have been told by science. So now they have to re-think and have time to come up with new excuses for answers. Give them a little time and they will come up with some BS answer.
You have not quite understood the concept have you? Both of size and of mass.

Just because an object is burnt to destruction does not mean the mass is magiced away, all it means is the matter is changed, the mass remains the same. Every object that falls into the sun raises its mass by the mass of the object, it does not matter if it is burnt up in the corona or chromosphere, the mass remains the same.

And it is a damn good job that matter is changed before it reaches even close to photosphere because much of the debris that falls into the sun is iron and iron kills suns.

No BS, just facts and fun.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#101228 Oct 16, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree and this is where I've used your logic for why life else where doesn't exist and you don't seem to like me doing it. Why is that?
No, you've used your so-called 'logic', not mine.
No Surprise wrote:
For all the 'reasonable' evidence you claim exists to prove a global flood never happened...
I never used the expression 'reasonable evidence'. Perhaps you might try rereading what I wrote. This time for comprehension.
No Surprise wrote:
...every time we look farther and farther into the universe, every time we get to analyze a planet's chemical makeup and or it's surface, we reveal overwhelming evidence life exists on earth and only earth.
Funny. That is not at all what is being discovered. From no evidence whatsoever for extrasolar planets we've now discovered them. From no extrasolar planets with any possibility of life, we're discovering more of them that just may have that possibility.

You seem convinced and betting against no other life anywhere in the universe. Why is THAT? What are YOU afraid of?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#101229 Oct 16, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lol...you're so correct. But inquiring minds will note what astronomers have noted. And you being a skeptic haven't noted what they noted and didn't think what they now know is a fact wasn't and still isn't a fact to you. You're wearing blinders like horses wore to afford you your skepticism. Doesn't have to be that way, just saying :)
Gibberish.

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#101230 Oct 16, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Fun for liars. Too bad.
I do not lie, two reasons, I have no god to lie for and my personal morality forbids it.

I have no tolerance for lies and I have no tolerance for deliberate ignorance

And certainly no tolerance for the lying ignorance of guess and BS merchants

So you loose out on all counts.

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