Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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This has to have an effect on evolution.

In-vitro fertilization, or IVF, has become so common that researchers now estimate that some 5 million babies in the last 35 years. What’s more, half(2.5 million) of those babies have arrived in just the past six years.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/5-million-babie...

Man is throwing evolution a curveball. It is not natural selection anymore. It is human selection. We can make the un-able to have babies able to have babies and we can even pick the sex of babies.

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It doesn't matter what I believe or don't believe. I don't and never have believe life came from one or more life sources. We have absolutely not a single piece of circumstantial to factual evidence of this taking place. On top of that I'm told after billions of years of trial and error it 'appears' the structuring and destruction and restructuring of matter finally got it right to produce life on this single solitary planet.
I'm well and fine with the theories based on living and nonliving things we form the theory of evolution upon. But this believe it took billions of years of trial and error to finally create life as we now exist on one single solitary planet, yeah whatever I suppose.
We have scientific evidence that supports our beliefs. If you want to discuss that I and others would be more than happy to. And I seriously doubt if any evolutionist believes the Earth is the only planet with life on it. We may never know if other planets have life on them, but it is a reasonable assumption.

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No, you suggesting a bb is going to move a monster truck wheel.
A little inaccurate. The comet Lovejoy passed through the sun's corona and survived. Who's to say what would happen if something larger, much larger and solid passed into the sun. We probably wouldn't be around to wonder about it.

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A little inaccurate. The comet Lovejoy passed through the sun's corona and survived. Who's to say what would happen if something larger, much larger and solid passed into the sun. We probably wouldn't be around to wonder about it.
If you cannot provide a valid link confirming this then it never happened.

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Yes we understand. You're not using logic. The fact we exist means we SHOULD exist no matter what. Doesn't matter if God was responsible or something else was. Doesn't matter if aliens exist elsewhere or not. We exist. Therefore it is logical for us to exist for whatever forces are ultimately responsible for us were capable of making us exist. Period.
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No, actually the odds of us existing are 100%. I present you to yourself as evidence.
Of course those odds would change if we rewound the clock back before life started. At which point NO-ONE knows what the odds are, since there is not enough information about all the necessary variables involved, therefore no numbers can be assigned TO those variables.
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A fluke we may be, but even so it still could have happened in TRILLIONS of other places across the universe. And we'd still never know due to the sheer distances involved. The universe is a BIG place. Even ships used by Captain Kirk might even be too slow for us to overcome this obstacle.
An excellent post reaffirming my point. Thanks :)

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Not believing BS is NOT an extreme position. You don't seem to realise what you're claiming. You could throw an object the size of Jupiter at the sun and the sun would happily gobble it up and we wouldn't feel a thing. Now, if another star or large enough black hole happens to swing by our sun that that would be different...
Pretend the comet Lovejoy and it's survival passing through the sun's corona is instead that wandering planet they found and instead of being gaseous, pretend it's a solid cold lifeless hunk of rock to it's center and science has shown it's on a course for the sun's center mass.

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If you cannot provide a valid link confirming this then it never happened.
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/20...

This one even has a video of it.

http://phys.org/news/2013-06-comet-lovejoy-wi...

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If you cannot provide a valid link confirming this then it never happened.
A couple more just in case you say those two are not valid.

http://www.space.com/13959-doomed-comet-lovej...

http://www.space.com/13959-doomed-comet-lovej...

NASA has one as well but the site is shut down along with our worthless government.

Hope those are enough and valid enough for you.

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Hmmm. Here is the other one.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2013/0607/Co...

For some reason (probably done unknown by me) the same link was posted twice in my last post.

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You are plain incorrect. The flood is NOT wrong simply due to a lack of evidence. The flood is wrong due to the evidence AGAINST it. This is what you're not getting. Flying mountains is wrong NOT because nobody has seen mountains fly, but because gravity shows it's not possible. Not unless someone starts fitting them with REALLY big engines.
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This is wrong. A lack of evidence does not mean life on other planets does not exist. There is simply no evidence AGAINST the possibility of alien life. However there is NOTHING in physics that prevents the possibility of alien life. But there is LOTS in physics that prevents the possibility of a Biblical global flood. And we already been through it all with you.
Your inability to deal with reality is not OUR fault.
My inability to deal with reality? We have no evidence for a global flood. Therefore we don't know what this planet would leave as a trace if it had been flooded at one time globally. It's only taken research for the last century for us to know what to look for of traces of world wide glaciers as they came and went. And parts of that evidence is disputed and argued about. Guesses have been made for how things would be if the planet had been flooded and guesses change with new theories/ideas.
What's funny is you defend the probability of life on another planet and state lack of evidence isn't an actual issue yet you state the exact opposite of a global flood....too funny really.

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Is your brain so dense you can't even pay attention to what people say? Bub he ALREADY STATED (correctly I might add) that even if Jupiter were SOLID it STILL wouldn't be enough.
Seriously, your ignorance and ability to make up BS does NOT make for good science. Better to just let people think you don't know what you're talking about than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Talking about fricking dense brains. a small tiny comet passed through the sun's corona, a part science long stated would burn up anything like a comet that were to pass through it AND IT WENT THROUGH the corona and continued on it's merry way. Are you that fricking ignorantly dense not to know if a tiny small comet survived the corona, then obviously something larger and more dense could penetrate even farther and maybe survive? And if it didn't what would be the effect? You're BS is like your ignorance when you prove you don't have a clue at all of what you speak of, good job...lol.

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replaytime wrote:
Thank you.

No Surprise should note that the corona is not the Sun. It is a plasma that surrounds the Sun and is still mostly what people would call a vacuum. You spoke of something larger striking the Sun. Striking the Sun is totally different from going through the corona. As a comparison a meteorite may survive a glancing pass through the Earth's upper atmosphere. No meteorite can "survive" by crashing into the Earth.

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Thank you.
No Surprise should note that the corona is not the Sun. It is a plasma that surrounds the Sun and is still mostly what people would call a vacuum. You spoke of something larger striking the Sun. Striking the Sun is totally different from going through the corona. As a comparison a meteorite may survive a glancing pass through the Earth's upper atmosphere. No meteorite can "survive" by crashing into the Earth.
Maybe you should note he said "suns corona"

His comment "The comet Lovejoy passed through the sun's corona and survived. Who's to say what would happen if something larger, much larger and solid passed into the sun. We probably wouldn't be around to wonder about it."

Which one has to now wonder about what he said. Science did not think it was possible for a comet to even pass through the corona and survive but it did. So something bigger could well easily hit the sun.

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We are only one of the exiting members of the genus of great apes. There were many before us and there may come others after us. But to suggest we are the only one to advance is incorrect. There were many who came before us. They either became extinct, evolved or were absorbed by other populations. Homo sapiens neanderthalensis is a good example.
What's amazing is we're the last of our branch Homo to exist. That's amazing considering all the diversities that continue to exist in the present primate families.

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No Surprise should note that the corona is not the Sun. It is a plasma that surrounds the Sun and is still mostly what people would call a vacuum. You spoke of something larger striking the Sun. Striking the Sun is totally different from going through the corona. As a comparison a meteorite may survive a glancing pass through the Earth's upper atmosphere. No meteorite can "survive" by crashing into the Earth.
The Comet Lovejoy, before perihelion, the nucleus had been estimated to be between 100 and 200 meters in diameter. Since the comet survived perihelion, it is thought that the nucleus must have been larger, perhaps up to 500 meters.

Now lets take in consideration what if a comet the size of Comet Hyakutake with a nucleus of about 4.8 km (3.0 mi)(4800 meters) across was headed straight for the sun. Comet Lovejoy is less than 1/9th of its size and passed through and survived. Then one the size of Comet Hyakutake would be very damaging if it hit the sun. Not survivable for life on earth.

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Maybe you should note he said "suns corona"
His comment "The comet Lovejoy passed through the sun's corona and survived. Who's to say what would happen if something larger, much larger and solid passed into the sun. We probably wouldn't be around to wonder about it."
Which one has to now wonder about what he said. Science did not think it was possible for a comet to even pass through the corona and survive but it did. So something bigger could well easily hit the sun.
And as your quote shows he asked about an object colliding into the Sun.

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Obvious life? Are kidding? Do you have even the faintest notion of the scale of the universe? The time it takes for any signal to cross the vast distances involved? Radio communications have only been possible for about 120 years. An instant of time.
I suppose you expect some folks on Planet X to erect huge space billboards saying "HI!" I guess that would be obvious.
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I'm forwarding your name to the Nobel Committee since you have conclusively proven that we are the only life in the universe. Imagine their surprise when they hear of this.
Here's what science has taught me. We're one of the younger solar systems existing. And of all the solar systems we have searched we're the only planet that exists with the type of life that exists on it that we know of. That's what science has stated and proved over and over as they unsuccessfully try and prove life like ours might exist elsewhere. And the farther our telescopes etc allow us to see into the dark blackness of space, the more we prove we are the only planet that exists with life as it exists.
Actually using the mechanical evolution of the human mind within the last century as a base, if life had evolved elsewhere with life like ours since it's the example of what non life has supposedly became, I would think there would have been dozens of other solar systems containing life like ours with a sun aiding life. But they don't exist.
So my point stands.

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Here's what science has taught me. We're one of the younger solar systems existing. And of all the solar systems we have searched we're the only planet that exists with the type of life that exists on it that we know of. That's what science has stated and proved over and over as they unsuccessfully try and prove life like ours might exist elsewhere. And the farther our telescopes etc allow us to see into the dark blackness of space, the more we prove we are the only planet that exists with life as it exists.
Actually using the mechanical evolution of the human mind within the last century as a base, if life had evolved elsewhere with life like ours since it's the example of what non life has supposedly became, I would think there would have been dozens of other solar systems containing life like ours with a sun aiding life. But they don't exist.
So my point stands.
Hardly.

There are about 300 billion of star in our galaxy alone. And we know what stars go around an extremely small proportion of them. So there could be millions or even billions of star systems with life in our galaxy alone.

And there are over a hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe. Even if you assume an extremely low percentage of stars with life there would still be trillions with life in the observable universe alone.

Why do you think we are alone in the universe?

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Those same scientists do not think the earth is capable of anything. They leave that goofy thinking to nutcases like you.
lol...actually they think by research of what has already taken place the earth is capable of doing again what it already did do. You're a nut case and goofy to think otherwise than what scientists have stated.

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No wonder you don't know jack shite about logic and science.
Your "science" source states, "We believe that the authoritative and primary source of (that) truth is the Bible as illuminated by the power of the Holy Spirit." It states that "The Bible is the inerrant, inspired Word of God - a supernaturally integrated set of 66 books, written by 40 authors, over nearly 2,000 years.
God created all things - from the massive cosmos to the microscopic cell. We were created in God's image, yet we were all corrupted and estranged from God after Adam fell into sin. The sin of Adam was the entry point of all sin, as well as physical and spiritual death on Earth."
Can you say, "Allaboutconfirmationbias "?
This quote from that site is a popular opinion in circles of science minded individuals backing evolution they made a statement of.
"As with other complex biological features, scientists explain the evolution of the human brain through natural selection....
Scientists explain the apparent change and diversity of most biological systems through naturalistic evolution. The generally accepted theory is that small, random changes in an organism sometimes provide an advantage....
The response used by scientists to explain the evolution of the human brain involves a "fast evolution" scheme....."
You apparently prove you know nothing concerning such popular theory by evolutionists which means you don;t kmow jack shite of what you claim ignorantly to know. Nice job.

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