Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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You definitely do when you lay it down. And motocross racers turn the bars backwards to make slide turns in the dirt.
Fact is a pro street bike rider uses his weight as leverage to lean the bike going into turns , jumping etc.
Also freestyle riders may use that method but it all has more to do with balance than anything else. But typically you put your weight on the pegs and shift your weight in anticipating the turn. I think you will see that in here.
Your welcome to try and find what you're talking about in here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
at the 2:30 mark you can see several of the riders throwing right a bit to then lay down a left turn, in the others it may be too subtle.

that was all i could watch, it seemed about as exciting as a Nascar race....

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<quoted text>at the 2:30 mark you can see several of the riders throwing right a bit to then lay down a left turn, in the others it may be too subtle.
that was all i could watch, it seemed about as exciting as a Nascar race....
You can really tell when shifting to opposite turns , it's more fluid, and no room for counter steering.

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This is a debate? Come on, it's like debating if the earth is flat or not. The creation story is a Bronze Age myth. There is actual evidence for evolution.
The bible never supported the idea of a flat earth. Without any arguments the bible in the book of Isaiah, Job supported a round earth.

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I can do better than that, I can define it in one sentence
A contradiction is a combination of statements, ideas, or features that are in opposition to one another
But hey, if you want me to put an extra full stop in there just ask.
As a person, do you know your future or tomorrow? Stop the trash and move on.

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ChristineM wrote:
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Nope, no excuse, fact, truth, same old fact, same old truth
Just because it contradicts your guess does not make it a foul or an excuse,
Just because it as actual truth as defined in the definition of the word as opposed to the christian maltreatment of the word to mean what they think sounds true to their faith does not make it a foul or an excuse
Just because you have a belief based on nothing but the ramblings of bronze age goat herders and escaped slaves does not make foul or an excuse
But hey, if you are adamant please tell us all how god did it with magic?
Come on, out with it? of course it could be that you shun the fame and fortune that such a revelation would bring you or it could simply be that you also donít know and use that knowledge that no one knows to justify your bronze age guess.
No one kows? That is the issue, but the world as an entity, keeps going. Just admit your ignorance.

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ChristineM wrote:
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Au contraire, evidence please?
Surely you mean many ďdeitiesĒ have died as the belief in them dwindled as the adherents died, However the whole concept of godhood it that the god is immortal.
Does not only apply to the belief in your god but ALL gods, thatís what the word means. Oh I realise the christianity has taken the word and twisted it to suite their faith, just like they do the words truth and morality and theory and church etc.. But that in no way alters the actual meaning of the word.
There are/have been religions enough to list over 3700 deities, more than 2400 claim omnipotent/immortal godhood.
By definition those 2400 cannot die.
Good job itís only belief otherwise we would be overrun with the buggers.
Keep on chewing your cud. Many nations of the earth who were into idol worshipping, are predominantly christians today.

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<quoted text>in fact, the god you worship has been proven to be a false myth.
you worship a proven false idol, Chazzie!
your cult lied to you...again...
Woodie, too bad, you have been brain washed!

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I am taking my leave. Some other time, by his grace. God bless all.

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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>great! thank you for making me realize, once again, how little i know about where theoretical physics is taking us these days...
One is glad to be of service.

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One is glad to be of service.
:-)
I was happy that i at least understood the broad themes of his musical discourse...

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This article is low speed , and talking about driving in traffic.
I acknowledged that counter steering works at low speed.
No, even at high speed you countersteer.

It is much more subtle, but the action is still there. There is no speed where you do not countersteer first to go into a corner, and the article was also about why at high speeds people often crash in an emergency because they do not countersteer.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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You can really tell when shifting to opposite turns , it's more fluid, and no room for counter steering.
Wrong, the coutnersteer gets to be instinctual and is very very subtle. The higher the speed the more subtle it is, but it is still there.

Here is another article on countersteering by a group that modified a bike to show they are not only body steered:

http://www.superbikeschool.com/machinery/no-b...

Remember at any speed a bicycle is still an inverted pendulum. The second article I linked explained it very well. If you put an upside down broom on your palm and want to go right you first must get the head of the broom to fall to the right, you do that by moving left, momentarily. Once the broom has fallen of to the right a bit you can balance that fall by the centripetal force of the turn.

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One question, who is the moron that does not like my posts, but is too chicken to respond to them?

I don't mind if someone does not like what I say, I would only like to know why they don't like it.

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Subduction Zone wrote:
One question, who is the moron that does not like my posts, but is too chicken to respond to them?
I don't mind if someone does not like what I say, I would only like to know why they don't like it.
Why? Simple. You're intelligent, educated and not a fundie.
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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The bible never supported the idea of a flat earth. Without any arguments the bible in the book of Isaiah, Job supported a round earth.
Nope, actually the Bible supports a flat Earth, a round Earth, AND a square Earth. But hey, that's what you get when you combine a disparate group of ignorant goatherders who don't know anything about reality and tell them to keep tacking things on at the end.(shrug)
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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Keep on chewing your cud. Many nations of the earth who were into idol worshipping, are predominantly christians today.
Really? Since most people who think like you are idol worshippers. They worship a book about God instead of worshipping God.
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Subduction Zone wrote:
One question, who is the moron that does not like my posts, but is too chicken to respond to them?
I don't mind if someone does not like what I say, I would only like to know why they don't like it.
Probably Chuck.

Either him or that new sockpuppet from the esteemed educational facility at Corpus Christi who knows we're all wrong but can't articulate why.

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Subduction Zone wrote:
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No, even at high speed you countersteer.
It is much more subtle, but the action is still there. There is no speed where you do not countersteer first to go into a corner, and the article was also about why at high speeds people often crash in an emergency because they do not countersteer.
People often crash because there's no room to avoid the crash.
But that really doesn't have anything to do with it, it's telling you how to avoid an impact in a traffic situation. Not how you steer in high speed turning. You can see it in the race , First the rider centers his weight on the pegs , then leans into the turn, when successive opposite turns are made they shift weight from side to side. There is no room for counter steering. What we are talking about is turning the bike at angles against the turn, which is shifting it center of gravity from side to side.
And you're telling me the only way to do it is to counter steer.
I'm telling you you're wrong, and I can prove it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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People often crash because there's no room to avoid the crash.
But that really doesn't have anything to do with it, it's telling you how to avoid an impact in a traffic situation. Not how you steer in high speed turning. You can see it in the race , First the rider centers his weight on the pegs , then leans into the turn, when successive opposite turns are made they shift weight from side to side. There is no room for counter steering. What we are talking about is turning the bike at angles against the turn, which is shifting it center of gravity from side to side.
And you're telling me the only way to do it is to counter steer.
I'm telling you you're wrong, and I can prove it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
How are those videos supposed to prove anything?

I am sorry but you are arguing like a creationist on this issue.

There is a reason that I challenged you to find an article that supports your beliefs. The reason is the same as when I challenge creationists to show evidence for their claims.

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By the way, if you are changing from one turn to another you are already countersteering by definition.

What some bikers do unfortunately in emergency situations is to turn the bike to the left when they want to go left without countersteering to the right first. At speeds the motion is subtle, it becomes an automatic part of setting up a turn. I found several articles on why countersteering is a must. Some from motorcycle safety organizations. I have not seen any that claim you can turn without countersteering.

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