Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 164487 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#101111 Oct 14, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Is it that obvious? LOL
ROFLMAO

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#101112 Oct 14, 2013
How can there be self-help "groups"?
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#101113 Oct 14, 2013
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#101114 Oct 14, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Fer cryin' out loud. I'd read half the Bible before I was 10, but it's just too damn much for a creationist to be asked to read an article or two >before< they start posing "incredulous" physics questions?
The origin of the BB is not held as being a singularity, but a condition similar to one. No matter exists in a nearly infinitely small singularity, but a singularity can contain a nearly infinite amount of energy. Energy --> particles, particles --> atoms, atoms + fusion --> heavier atoms, atoms + atoms --> chemical molecules.
And before you ask "on Charles behalf",- there's nothing is physics that ever indicated a bumblebee can't fly and it takes about 250 licks to get to the center of a tootsie pop.
What??? The origin of the BB is not held as being a singularity???

Well sure it is. Just ask Tick he will educate you on how it all was a singularity before the BBT and after it all started expanding time came in to existence, from that singularity.

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#101115 Oct 14, 2013
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Fer cryin' out loud. I'd read half the Bible before I was 10, but it's just too damn much for a creationist to be asked to read an article or two >before< they start posing "incredulous" physics questions?
The origin of the BB is not held as being a singularity, but a condition similar to one. No matter exists in a nearly infinitely small singularity, but a singularity can contain a nearly infinite amount of energy. Energy --> particles, particles --> atoms, atoms + fusion --> heavier atoms, atoms + atoms --> chemical molecules.
And before you ask "on Charles behalf",- there's nothing is physics that ever indicated a bumblebee can't fly and it takes about 250 licks to get to the center of a tootsie pop.
Nope, only 3:

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#101116 Oct 14, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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I don't know what you believe and really what ever you do is your choice. Myself I believe in evolution, change over periods of time. I also believe God or a high form started life for I do not believe in abiogenesis. The evolutionists always say that abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution but they step on their own asss showing that if you don't believe in evolution AND abiogenesis then you are just a creationist/creatard.
They hate any God in everyway and will do what it takes to rule one out. They cannot even except that while some people believe in evolution, they believe in God as well. In their minds that is not expectable. Either you swallow the abiogenesis with evolution or you don't matter.
It doesn't matter what I believe or don't believe. I don't and never have believe life came from one or more life sources. We have absolutely not a single piece of circumstantial to factual evidence of this taking place. On top of that I'm told after billions of years of trial and error it 'appears' the structuring and destruction and restructuring of matter finally got it right to produce life on this single solitary planet.
I'm well and fine with the theories based on living and nonliving things we form the theory of evolution upon. But this believe it took billions of years of trial and error to finally create life as we now exist on one single solitary planet, yeah whatever I suppose.

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#101117 Oct 14, 2013
This has to have an effect on evolution.

In-vitro fertilization, or IVF, has become so common that researchers now estimate that some 5 million babies in the last 35 years. What’s more, half(2.5 million) of those babies have arrived in just the past six years.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/5-million-babie...

Man is throwing evolution a curveball. It is not natural selection anymore. It is human selection. We can make the un-able to have babies able to have babies and we can even pick the sex of babies.

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#101118 Oct 14, 2013
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It doesn't matter what I believe or don't believe. I don't and never have believe life came from one or more life sources. We have absolutely not a single piece of circumstantial to factual evidence of this taking place. On top of that I'm told after billions of years of trial and error it 'appears' the structuring and destruction and restructuring of matter finally got it right to produce life on this single solitary planet.
I'm well and fine with the theories based on living and nonliving things we form the theory of evolution upon. But this believe it took billions of years of trial and error to finally create life as we now exist on one single solitary planet, yeah whatever I suppose.
We have scientific evidence that supports our beliefs. If you want to discuss that I and others would be more than happy to. And I seriously doubt if any evolutionist believes the Earth is the only planet with life on it. We may never know if other planets have life on them, but it is a reasonable assumption.

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#101119 Oct 14, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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No, you suggesting a bb is going to move a monster truck wheel.
A little inaccurate. The comet Lovejoy passed through the sun's corona and survived. Who's to say what would happen if something larger, much larger and solid passed into the sun. We probably wouldn't be around to wonder about it.

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#101120 Oct 14, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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A little inaccurate. The comet Lovejoy passed through the sun's corona and survived. Who's to say what would happen if something larger, much larger and solid passed into the sun. We probably wouldn't be around to wonder about it.
If you cannot provide a valid link confirming this then it never happened.

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#101121 Oct 14, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Yes we understand. You're not using logic. The fact we exist means we SHOULD exist no matter what. Doesn't matter if God was responsible or something else was. Doesn't matter if aliens exist elsewhere or not. We exist. Therefore it is logical for us to exist for whatever forces are ultimately responsible for us were capable of making us exist. Period.
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No, actually the odds of us existing are 100%. I present you to yourself as evidence.
Of course those odds would change if we rewound the clock back before life started. At which point NO-ONE knows what the odds are, since there is not enough information about all the necessary variables involved, therefore no numbers can be assigned TO those variables.
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A fluke we may be, but even so it still could have happened in TRILLIONS of other places across the universe. And we'd still never know due to the sheer distances involved. The universe is a BIG place. Even ships used by Captain Kirk might even be too slow for us to overcome this obstacle.
An excellent post reaffirming my point. Thanks :)

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#101122 Oct 14, 2013
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Not believing BS is NOT an extreme position. You don't seem to realise what you're claiming. You could throw an object the size of Jupiter at the sun and the sun would happily gobble it up and we wouldn't feel a thing. Now, if another star or large enough black hole happens to swing by our sun that that would be different...
Pretend the comet Lovejoy and it's survival passing through the sun's corona is instead that wandering planet they found and instead of being gaseous, pretend it's a solid cold lifeless hunk of rock to it's center and science has shown it's on a course for the sun's center mass.

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#101123 Oct 14, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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If you cannot provide a valid link confirming this then it never happened.
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/20...

This one even has a video of it.

http://phys.org/news/2013-06-comet-lovejoy-wi...

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#101124 Oct 14, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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If you cannot provide a valid link confirming this then it never happened.
A couple more just in case you say those two are not valid.

http://www.space.com/13959-doomed-comet-lovej...

http://www.space.com/13959-doomed-comet-lovej...

NASA has one as well but the site is shut down along with our worthless government.

Hope those are enough and valid enough for you.

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#101125 Oct 14, 2013
Hmmm. Here is the other one.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2013/0607/Co...

For some reason (probably done unknown by me) the same link was posted twice in my last post.

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#101126 Oct 14, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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You are plain incorrect. The flood is NOT wrong simply due to a lack of evidence. The flood is wrong due to the evidence AGAINST it. This is what you're not getting. Flying mountains is wrong NOT because nobody has seen mountains fly, but because gravity shows it's not possible. Not unless someone starts fitting them with REALLY big engines.
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This is wrong. A lack of evidence does not mean life on other planets does not exist. There is simply no evidence AGAINST the possibility of alien life. However there is NOTHING in physics that prevents the possibility of alien life. But there is LOTS in physics that prevents the possibility of a Biblical global flood. And we already been through it all with you.
Your inability to deal with reality is not OUR fault.
My inability to deal with reality? We have no evidence for a global flood. Therefore we don't know what this planet would leave as a trace if it had been flooded at one time globally. It's only taken research for the last century for us to know what to look for of traces of world wide glaciers as they came and went. And parts of that evidence is disputed and argued about. Guesses have been made for how things would be if the planet had been flooded and guesses change with new theories/ideas.
What's funny is you defend the probability of life on another planet and state lack of evidence isn't an actual issue yet you state the exact opposite of a global flood....too funny really.

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#101127 Oct 14, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Is your brain so dense you can't even pay attention to what people say? Bub he ALREADY STATED (correctly I might add) that even if Jupiter were SOLID it STILL wouldn't be enough.
Seriously, your ignorance and ability to make up BS does NOT make for good science. Better to just let people think you don't know what you're talking about than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Talking about fricking dense brains. a small tiny comet passed through the sun's corona, a part science long stated would burn up anything like a comet that were to pass through it AND IT WENT THROUGH the corona and continued on it's merry way. Are you that fricking ignorantly dense not to know if a tiny small comet survived the corona, then obviously something larger and more dense could penetrate even farther and maybe survive? And if it didn't what would be the effect? You're BS is like your ignorance when you prove you don't have a clue at all of what you speak of, good job...lol.

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#101128 Oct 14, 2013
replaytime wrote:
Thank you.

No Surprise should note that the corona is not the Sun. It is a plasma that surrounds the Sun and is still mostly what people would call a vacuum. You spoke of something larger striking the Sun. Striking the Sun is totally different from going through the corona. As a comparison a meteorite may survive a glancing pass through the Earth's upper atmosphere. No meteorite can "survive" by crashing into the Earth.

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#101129 Oct 14, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Thank you.
No Surprise should note that the corona is not the Sun. It is a plasma that surrounds the Sun and is still mostly what people would call a vacuum. You spoke of something larger striking the Sun. Striking the Sun is totally different from going through the corona. As a comparison a meteorite may survive a glancing pass through the Earth's upper atmosphere. No meteorite can "survive" by crashing into the Earth.
Maybe you should note he said "suns corona"

His comment "The comet Lovejoy passed through the sun's corona and survived. Who's to say what would happen if something larger, much larger and solid passed into the sun. We probably wouldn't be around to wonder about it."

Which one has to now wonder about what he said. Science did not think it was possible for a comet to even pass through the corona and survive but it did. So something bigger could well easily hit the sun.

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#101130 Oct 14, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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We are only one of the exiting members of the genus of great apes. There were many before us and there may come others after us. But to suggest we are the only one to advance is incorrect. There were many who came before us. They either became extinct, evolved or were absorbed by other populations. Homo sapiens neanderthalensis is a good example.
What's amazing is we're the last of our branch Homo to exist. That's amazing considering all the diversities that continue to exist in the present primate families.

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