Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 169169 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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davy

Albuquerque, NM

#101090 Oct 13, 2013
You threw nature? How far did it go? Did someone catch it? Did it bounce when it hit the ground?
Irish Bob wrote:
To all you evolutionist's.
My beliefe in God is threw Nature. If i was to look at man and his corrupution of ideology, then i would be like most here that God is a man made creation. But nature teaches me that God is the only answer to explain the balence of things in nature. The bible in it self doesn't teach me that God is real. Expecially the O T. To believe that nature came into existence by chemical formation over thousands of years is ludicious. As a tech guy, that's like teaching kids that a computer all of a sudden came into it's own. A cell phone came into it's own..This stupidity of thought just doesn't compute in a intelligent mind. I don't look at man and say that he is here because of a God. I look into nature that tell's me, that God is real and i respect every thing i see that inforces that belief.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101091 Oct 13, 2013
replaytime wrote:
Ok new subject. Science does not know exactly why ice is slippery. Who is going to be first to tackle this one?
Does this LOOK like the Why Ice Is Slippery thread? No it isn't. Go start a new thread in the physics forum. we're in the evolution (biology) forum.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101092 Oct 13, 2013
Irish Bob wrote:
After the Big Bang, the universe was sterile. SOMETHING happened to cause life to appear out of nothing. YES, Something Happened.That's why we creationist believe in GOD.
Yes, if you're a creationist you believe life appeared out of nothing, despite the abundance of materials which could be found in the universe at the time. And that's what science proposes, that life developed via natural chemical processes, something which was prevalent throughout the universe.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101093 Oct 13, 2013
Irish Bob wrote:
To all you evolutionist's.
My beliefe in God is threw Nature. If i was to look at man and his corrupution of ideology, then i would be like most here that God is a man made creation. But nature teaches me that God is the only answer to explain the balence of things in nature. The bible in it self doesn't teach me that God is real. Expecially the O T.
That's nice. Can you provide any objectively verifiable evidence that this God of yours even exists?

Don't worry, we already know that the answer is no.
Irish Bob wrote:
To believe that nature came into existence by chemical formation over thousands of years is ludicious. As a tech guy, that's like teaching kids that a computer all of a sudden came into it's own. A cell phone came into it's own..This stupidity of thought just doesn't compute in a intelligent mind.
Except your analogy is fatally flawed. Cellphones and computers are not naturally occurring self-reproducing organisms. The fact you did not spot this fallacy does not lend well to the hypothesis that you have an intelligent mind.

Abiogenesis proposes that life developed from naturally occurring chemical processes. This is not really a stretch when you realise that all life IS is chemical processes. And those chemical processes produce life every single day. All over the entire planet.

You on the other hand propose life was magically poofed into existence by a magic Jew, who just so happens to live forever and therefore did NOT need any preceding cause to exist. So life on Earth needed your magical Jew to exist, while your magical Jew did not need anything. That's like saying a cellphone or computer came into its own!!!
Irish Bob wrote:
I don't look at man and say that he is here because of a God. I look into nature that tell's me, that God is real and i respect every thing i see that inforces that belief.
Yes, it's called incredulity. Nature is amazing therefore an invisible magic wizard must be responsible.

“What U Don't Know U Fear”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

What U Fear U Will Never Know

#101094 Oct 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, if you're a creationist you believe life appeared out of nothing, despite the abundance of materials which could be found in the universe at the time. And that's what science proposes, that life developed via natural chemical processes, something which was prevalent throughout the universe.
13.7 billion years ago, when the entire universe existed as a singularity. According to the big bang theory, one of the main contenders vying to explain how the universe came to be, all the matter in the cosmos -- all of space itself -- existed in a form smaller than a subatomic particle.

So dude where did all that abundance of material come from? Where did chemicals come from? Where did water come from? Where did gases come from? Where did planets come from? Where did organic compounds come from? Where did anything come from? Was everything hidden inside of something smaller than a subatomic particle?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#101095 Oct 13, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
13.7 billion years ago, when the entire universe existed as a singularity. According to the big bang theory, one of the main contenders vying to explain how the universe came to be, all the matter in the cosmos -- all of space itself -- existed in a form smaller than a subatomic particle.
So dude where did all that abundance of material come from? Where did chemicals come from? Where did water come from? Where did gases come from? Where did planets come from? Where did organic compounds come from? Where did anything come from? Was everything hidden inside of something smaller than a subatomic particle?
The Big Bang only made hydrogen, helium and a skosh of lithium.

Different elements were "born" in stars. The elements heavier than iron were made when stars went supernova.

“Rising”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#101096 Oct 13, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
The Big Bang only made hydrogen, helium and a skosh of lithium.
Different elements were "born" in stars. The elements heavier than iron were made when stars went supernova.

You mean....

The elements heavier than hydrogen, helium and a skosh of lithium.

Were created in star Nucleosynthesis vs hydrogen, helium and a skosh of lithium that were created in big bang Nucleosynthesis.

I won't cave in from this one. It isn't counter steering. Because all elements heavier than hydrogen and helium, are considered metals in cosmology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallicity
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101097 Oct 13, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
13.7 billion years ago, when the entire universe existed as a singularity. According to the big bang theory, one of the main contenders vying to explain how the universe came to be, all the matter in the cosmos -- all of space itself -- existed in a form smaller than a subatomic particle.
So dude where did all that abundance of material come from? Where did chemicals come from? Where did water come from? Where did gases come from? Where did planets come from? Where did organic compounds come from? Where did anything come from? Was everything hidden inside of something smaller than a subatomic particle?
http://img.docstoccdn.com/thumb/orig/13494836...

There ya go. This is the point where you move the goalposts backwards as far as you can go, as if that somehow justifies your position or makes any of your invalid criticisms valid.

Of course NONE of this is relevant to the point that HE was making, and which I subsequently ADDRESSED, which was that he didn't believe in abiogenesis cuz he thinks the invisible magic wizard did it.

Then you came along and RADICALLY changed the subject to an event from a mere 9 BILLION years earlier.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101098 Oct 13, 2013
EVOLUTION (biology) VS CREATION THREAD.

Yeah, well what about abiogenesis, huh?

Yeah, well what about the Big Bang huh? What about that?

Yeah, well what about why ice is f cking slippery, huh? What about that one huh??? HUH?!? CAN YA FEEL THIS BABY, HUH?!? WELL CAN YA?!? OOMF!!!

“What U Don't Know U Fear”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

What U Fear U Will Never Know

#101099 Oct 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
EVOLUTION (biology) VS CREATION THREAD.
Yeah, well what about abiogenesis, huh?
Yeah, well what about the Big Bang huh? What about that?
Yeah, well what about why ice is f cking slippery, huh? What about that one huh??? HUH?!? CAN YA FEEL THIS BABY, HUH?!? WELL CAN YA?!? OOMF!!!
LMFAO. Want some cheese to go with your meltdown whine?

“What U Don't Know U Fear”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

What U Fear U Will Never Know

#101100 Oct 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
http://img.docstoccdn.com/thumb/orig/13494836...
There ya go. This is the point where you move the goalposts backwards as far as you can go, as if that somehow justifies your position or makes any of your invalid criticisms valid.
Of course NONE of this is relevant to the point that HE was making, and which I subsequently ADDRESSED, which was that he didn't believe in abiogenesis cuz he thinks the invisible magic wizard did it.
Then you came along and RADICALLY changed the subject to an event from a mere 9 BILLION years earlier.
Sure it does.

He brought up the BBT. You responded with "Yes, if you're a creationist you believe life appeared out of nothing, despite the abundance of materials which could be found in the universe at the time. And that's what science proposes, that life developed via natural chemical processes, something which was prevalent throughout the universe. "

So I asked you did all that abundance of materials come from something smaller than a subatomic particle, which is what was there before the big bang.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#101101 Oct 13, 2013
davy wrote:
You threw nature? How far did it go? Did someone catch it? Did it bounce when it hit the ground?
<quoted text>
I know the Irish educational system is better than that.

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#101103 Oct 14, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
You're wasting your time. Chuck is not on planet Earth.
This I know, but itís fun

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#101104 Oct 14, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> As a person, do you know your future or tomorrow? Stop the trash and move on.
Move on? Wow that is so funny coming from one so deliberately stuck in the bronze age like you.

Do you? Do you know the future? Is it that you claim the clairvoyance of religion?

You asked a question (hoping to gain extra god points) and I gave you the answer to your question that funnily enough quashed those extra god points for what they were, meaningless.

As it happens yes I do, It is not clairvoyance or belief in the words of escaped bronze age slaves, it is scientific fact and it really does not matter what tomorrow or the next day brings. The molecules, atoms, protons, neutrons and electrons and that make up my body will continue to the end of this universe, what has your puny god dream got over that?

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#101105 Oct 14, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> No one kows? That is the issue, but the world as an entity, keeps going. Just admit your ignorance.
Yet you still guess and accuse anyone not guessing in exactly the same way as you guess of heresy?

However science is at least doing something about that ignorance, they are learning to fill the gap with knowledge and understanding, this is called education, something you seem to be lacking

Funny that, I have just shown you that science is ignorant of how, I have just admitted this to you in the very post you responded to and yet you seem to be of the opinion that I should admit it. Wow you are weird arenít you?

Honey it is YOU who is not admitting to your ignorance while at the same time proving that you are ignorant

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#101106 Oct 14, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Keep on chewing your cud. Many nations of the earth who were into idol worshipping, are predominantly christians today.
Trying to be a condescending fool only brands you as a fool because you really donít have the intelligence to be condescending

Nope, not predominantly, 31% is not predominance when 69% are NOT christian. You must also remember your heritage, christianity is built on the belief of those idol worshippers. Think Atan Ra (one god), Horus (for many jesus stories), Saturnalia, Yule, Eostra etc.

And as history has taught us, religions rise and religions fall. It seems that throughout the christian world (except the US) that chrisianity is on the decline

“Rising”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#101107 Oct 14, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet you still guess and accuse anyone not guessing in exactly the same way as you guess of heresy?
However science is at least doing something about that ignorance, they are learning to fill the gap with knowledge and understanding, this is called education, something you seem to be lacking
Funny that, I have just shown you that science is ignorant of how, I have just admitted this to you in the very post you responded to and yet you seem to be of the opinion that I should admit it. Wow you are weird arenít you?
Honey it is YOU who is not admitting to your ignorance while at the same time proving that you are ignorant
It hasn't helped Charles, in fact I think he's going backwards.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#101108 Oct 14, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure it does.
He brought up the BBT.
No it doesn't, as he accepted the premise of the Big Bang. However even if he doesn't it doesn't matter since his point was about abiogenesis and that he doesn't believe it because Goddidit with magic. And if he also rejects the Big Bang that will also be because he thinks Goddidit with magic. And if he rejects evolution it will be because he thinks Goddidit with magic. In fact it's safe to say that this will apply no matter his incredulity on any scientific subject that quite frankly if he accepts any science at all it would be evidence of a divine miracle.

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#101109 Oct 14, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> It hasn't helped Charles, in fact I think he's going backwards.
Is it that obvious? LOL

“See how you are?”

Level 5

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#101110 Oct 14, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure it does.
He brought up the BBT. You responded with "Yes, if you're a creationist you believe life appeared out of nothing, despite the abundance of materials which could be found in the universe at the time. And that's what science proposes, that life developed via natural chemical processes, something which was prevalent throughout the universe. "
So I asked you did all that abundance of materials come from something smaller than a subatomic particle, which is what was there before the big bang.
Fer cryin' out loud. I'd read half the Bible before I was 10, but it's just too damn much for a creationist to be asked to read an article or two >before< they start posing "incredulous" physics questions?

The origin of the BB is not held as being a singularity, but a condition similar to one. No matter exists in a nearly infinitely small singularity, but a singularity can contain a nearly infinite amount of energy. Energy --> particles, particles --> atoms, atoms + fusion --> heavier atoms, atoms + atoms --> chemical molecules.
And before you ask "on Charles behalf",- there's nothing is physics that ever indicated a bumblebee can't fly and it takes about 250 licks to get to the center of a tootsie pop.

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