Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216601 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Irish Bob

Plymouth, MA

#101085 Oct 13, 2013
To all you evolutionist's.
My beliefe in God is threw Nature. If i was to look at man and his corrupution of ideology, then i would be like most here that God is a man made creation. But nature teaches me that God is the only answer to explain the balence of things in nature. The bible in it self doesn't teach me that God is real. Expecially the O T. To believe that nature came into existence by chemical formation over thousands of years is ludicious. As a tech guy, that's like teaching kids that a computer all of a sudden came into it's own. A cell phone came into it's own..This stupidity of thought just doesn't compute in a intelligent mind. I don't look at man and say that he is here because of a God. I look into nature that tell's me, that God is real and i respect every thing i see that inforces that belief.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

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Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#101086 Oct 13, 2013
Irish Bob wrote:
To all you evolutionist's.
My beliefe in God is threw Nature. If i was to look at man and his corrupution of ideology, then i would be like most here that God is a man made creation. But nature teaches me that God is the only answer to explain the balence of things in nature. The bible in it self doesn't teach me that God is real. Expecially the O T. To believe that nature came into existence by chemical formation over thousands of years is ludicious. As a tech guy, that's like teaching kids that a computer all of a sudden came into it's own. A cell phone came into it's own..This stupidity of thought just doesn't compute in a intelligent mind. I don't look at man and say that he is here because of a God. I look into nature that tell's me, that God is real and i respect every thing i see that inforces that belief.
Meaningless and circular. I think the natural world is wonderful, but it is wishful thinking to see more in it than is there. My belief, is belief and not the same as the facts I accept from science.

“See how you are?”

Level 5

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#101087 Oct 13, 2013
Irish Bob wrote:
To all you evolutionist's.
My beliefe in God is threw Nature. If i was to look at man and his corrupution of ideology, then i would be like most here that God is a man made creation. But nature teaches me that God is the only answer to explain the balence of things in nature. The bible in it self doesn't teach me that God is real. Expecially the O T. To believe that nature came into existence by chemical formation over thousands of years is ludicious. As a tech guy, that's like teaching kids that a computer all of a sudden came into it's own. A cell phone came into it's own..This stupidity of thought just doesn't compute in a intelligent mind. I don't look at man and say that he is here because of a God. I look into nature that tell's me, that God is real and i respect every thing i see that inforces that belief.
I don't usually harp on grammar and spelling, but damn. Never mind the vacuous content, this one is hard on the eyes.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#101088 Oct 13, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>I know how they are steering.
And yes you are arguing like a creationist. You have supplied no real evidence that supports your claims. The videos you have supplied are not clear enough to show a lack of countersteering. See if you can find any sort of scientific or official paper on the subject. Even no handed steering is done with countersteering.
It is a subtle but extremely important part of starting a turn. To start any turn on a bike the first motion is a countersteering motion.
I have seen biker after biker make your claim, but when push comes to shove they all realize that turns are started by contersteering.
Most aren't even aware they are counter-steering. I've ridden since I was 10, about forty years worth, and I can say this; if you're not counter-steering, you're about to end up on your face. If I'm going through a right-hand turn, my right arm is pushing on the right bar, or counter-steering. Otherwise, the front wheel will drive itself into the pavement. What gets me is the gyroscopic effect when first leaving, say for example, a stop sign. The bike has a natural tendency to "wobble" a touch before it finds its balance. I do leave cleanly sometimes but a slight wobble is the usual. I'm on a sportbike, not an 800lb. cruiser.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Lakeland, FL

#101089 Oct 13, 2013
Irish Bob wrote:
This stupidity of thought just doesn't compute in a intelligent mind.
Uh-huh.
davy

Albuquerque, NM

#101090 Oct 13, 2013
You threw nature? How far did it go? Did someone catch it? Did it bounce when it hit the ground?
Irish Bob wrote:
To all you evolutionist's.
My beliefe in God is threw Nature. If i was to look at man and his corrupution of ideology, then i would be like most here that God is a man made creation. But nature teaches me that God is the only answer to explain the balence of things in nature. The bible in it self doesn't teach me that God is real. Expecially the O T. To believe that nature came into existence by chemical formation over thousands of years is ludicious. As a tech guy, that's like teaching kids that a computer all of a sudden came into it's own. A cell phone came into it's own..This stupidity of thought just doesn't compute in a intelligent mind. I don't look at man and say that he is here because of a God. I look into nature that tell's me, that God is real and i respect every thing i see that inforces that belief.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#101091 Oct 13, 2013
replaytime wrote:
Ok new subject. Science does not know exactly why ice is slippery. Who is going to be first to tackle this one?
Does this LOOK like the Why Ice Is Slippery thread? No it isn't. Go start a new thread in the physics forum. we're in the evolution (biology) forum.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#101092 Oct 13, 2013
Irish Bob wrote:
After the Big Bang, the universe was sterile. SOMETHING happened to cause life to appear out of nothing. YES, Something Happened.That's why we creationist believe in GOD.
Yes, if you're a creationist you believe life appeared out of nothing, despite the abundance of materials which could be found in the universe at the time. And that's what science proposes, that life developed via natural chemical processes, something which was prevalent throughout the universe.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#101093 Oct 13, 2013
Irish Bob wrote:
To all you evolutionist's.
My beliefe in God is threw Nature. If i was to look at man and his corrupution of ideology, then i would be like most here that God is a man made creation. But nature teaches me that God is the only answer to explain the balence of things in nature. The bible in it self doesn't teach me that God is real. Expecially the O T.
That's nice. Can you provide any objectively verifiable evidence that this God of yours even exists?

Don't worry, we already know that the answer is no.
Irish Bob wrote:
To believe that nature came into existence by chemical formation over thousands of years is ludicious. As a tech guy, that's like teaching kids that a computer all of a sudden came into it's own. A cell phone came into it's own..This stupidity of thought just doesn't compute in a intelligent mind.
Except your analogy is fatally flawed. Cellphones and computers are not naturally occurring self-reproducing organisms. The fact you did not spot this fallacy does not lend well to the hypothesis that you have an intelligent mind.

Abiogenesis proposes that life developed from naturally occurring chemical processes. This is not really a stretch when you realise that all life IS is chemical processes. And those chemical processes produce life every single day. All over the entire planet.

You on the other hand propose life was magically poofed into existence by a magic Jew, who just so happens to live forever and therefore did NOT need any preceding cause to exist. So life on Earth needed your magical Jew to exist, while your magical Jew did not need anything. That's like saying a cellphone or computer came into its own!!!
Irish Bob wrote:
I don't look at man and say that he is here because of a God. I look into nature that tell's me, that God is real and i respect every thing i see that inforces that belief.
Yes, it's called incredulity. Nature is amazing therefore an invisible magic wizard must be responsible.

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#101094 Oct 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, if you're a creationist you believe life appeared out of nothing, despite the abundance of materials which could be found in the universe at the time. And that's what science proposes, that life developed via natural chemical processes, something which was prevalent throughout the universe.
13.7 billion years ago, when the entire universe existed as a singularity. According to the big bang theory, one of the main contenders vying to explain how the universe came to be, all the matter in the cosmos -- all of space itself -- existed in a form smaller than a subatomic particle.

So dude where did all that abundance of material come from? Where did chemicals come from? Where did water come from? Where did gases come from? Where did planets come from? Where did organic compounds come from? Where did anything come from? Was everything hidden inside of something smaller than a subatomic particle?

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#101095 Oct 13, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
13.7 billion years ago, when the entire universe existed as a singularity. According to the big bang theory, one of the main contenders vying to explain how the universe came to be, all the matter in the cosmos -- all of space itself -- existed in a form smaller than a subatomic particle.
So dude where did all that abundance of material come from? Where did chemicals come from? Where did water come from? Where did gases come from? Where did planets come from? Where did organic compounds come from? Where did anything come from? Was everything hidden inside of something smaller than a subatomic particle?
The Big Bang only made hydrogen, helium and a skosh of lithium.

Different elements were "born" in stars. The elements heavier than iron were made when stars went supernova.

“Jon Snow”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

The King in the Nor±h

#101096 Oct 13, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
The Big Bang only made hydrogen, helium and a skosh of lithium.
Different elements were "born" in stars. The elements heavier than iron were made when stars went supernova.

You mean....

The elements heavier than hydrogen, helium and a skosh of lithium.

Were created in star Nucleosynthesis vs hydrogen, helium and a skosh of lithium that were created in big bang Nucleosynthesis.

I won't cave in from this one. It isn't counter steering. Because all elements heavier than hydrogen and helium, are considered metals in cosmology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallicity
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#101097 Oct 13, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
13.7 billion years ago, when the entire universe existed as a singularity. According to the big bang theory, one of the main contenders vying to explain how the universe came to be, all the matter in the cosmos -- all of space itself -- existed in a form smaller than a subatomic particle.
So dude where did all that abundance of material come from? Where did chemicals come from? Where did water come from? Where did gases come from? Where did planets come from? Where did organic compounds come from? Where did anything come from? Was everything hidden inside of something smaller than a subatomic particle?
http://img.docstoccdn.com/thumb/orig/13494836...

There ya go. This is the point where you move the goalposts backwards as far as you can go, as if that somehow justifies your position or makes any of your invalid criticisms valid.

Of course NONE of this is relevant to the point that HE was making, and which I subsequently ADDRESSED, which was that he didn't believe in abiogenesis cuz he thinks the invisible magic wizard did it.

Then you came along and RADICALLY changed the subject to an event from a mere 9 BILLION years earlier.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#101098 Oct 13, 2013
EVOLUTION (biology) VS CREATION THREAD.

Yeah, well what about abiogenesis, huh?

Yeah, well what about the Big Bang huh? What about that?

Yeah, well what about why ice is f cking slippery, huh? What about that one huh??? HUH?!? CAN YA FEEL THIS BABY, HUH?!? WELL CAN YA?!? OOMF!!!

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#101099 Oct 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
EVOLUTION (biology) VS CREATION THREAD.
Yeah, well what about abiogenesis, huh?
Yeah, well what about the Big Bang huh? What about that?
Yeah, well what about why ice is f cking slippery, huh? What about that one huh??? HUH?!? CAN YA FEEL THIS BABY, HUH?!? WELL CAN YA?!? OOMF!!!
LMFAO. Want some cheese to go with your meltdown whine?

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#101100 Oct 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
http://img.docstoccdn.com/thumb/orig/13494836...
There ya go. This is the point where you move the goalposts backwards as far as you can go, as if that somehow justifies your position or makes any of your invalid criticisms valid.
Of course NONE of this is relevant to the point that HE was making, and which I subsequently ADDRESSED, which was that he didn't believe in abiogenesis cuz he thinks the invisible magic wizard did it.
Then you came along and RADICALLY changed the subject to an event from a mere 9 BILLION years earlier.
Sure it does.

He brought up the BBT. You responded with "Yes, if you're a creationist you believe life appeared out of nothing, despite the abundance of materials which could be found in the universe at the time. And that's what science proposes, that life developed via natural chemical processes, something which was prevalent throughout the universe. "

So I asked you did all that abundance of materials come from something smaller than a subatomic particle, which is what was there before the big bang.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#101101 Oct 13, 2013
davy wrote:
You threw nature? How far did it go? Did someone catch it? Did it bounce when it hit the ground?
<quoted text>
I know the Irish educational system is better than that.

“When you treat people as they ”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#101103 Oct 14, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
You're wasting your time. Chuck is not on planet Earth.
This I know, but it’s fun

“When you treat people as they ”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#101104 Oct 14, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> As a person, do you know your future or tomorrow? Stop the trash and move on.
Move on? Wow that is so funny coming from one so deliberately stuck in the bronze age like you.

Do you? Do you know the future? Is it that you claim the clairvoyance of religion?

You asked a question (hoping to gain extra god points) and I gave you the answer to your question that funnily enough quashed those extra god points for what they were, meaningless.

As it happens yes I do, It is not clairvoyance or belief in the words of escaped bronze age slaves, it is scientific fact and it really does not matter what tomorrow or the next day brings. The molecules, atoms, protons, neutrons and electrons and that make up my body will continue to the end of this universe, what has your puny god dream got over that?

“When you treat people as they ”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#101105 Oct 14, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> No one kows? That is the issue, but the world as an entity, keeps going. Just admit your ignorance.
Yet you still guess and accuse anyone not guessing in exactly the same way as you guess of heresy?

However science is at least doing something about that ignorance, they are learning to fill the gap with knowledge and understanding, this is called education, something you seem to be lacking

Funny that, I have just shown you that science is ignorant of how, I have just admitted this to you in the very post you responded to and yet you seem to be of the opinion that I should admit it. Wow you are weird aren’t you?

Honey it is YOU who is not admitting to your ignorance while at the same time proving that you are ignorant

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