Evolution vs. Creation

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Mugwump

London, UK

#100942 Oct 11, 2013
SCOUSE71UK wrote:
Pasted from google:-
"Can a Scientific Theory Ever Become a Law?
Answer
Scientific theory can become a law if it has been proved to be true since theories are based on assumptions. For instance the law of gravity by Isaac Newton started out as a theory."
Care to provide a link to back up your definition of a scientific theory ?

Seems fair as others have done so for the CORRECT definition.

(Hint : your opinion is both wrong and irrelevant )
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#100943 Oct 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
Logic
Definition of logic (n)
Bing Dictionary
logic[ ljjik ]
theory of reasoning: the branch of philosophy that deals with the theory of deductive and inductive arguments and aims to distinguish good from bad reasoning
We exist. That's fact, not logic.
In a universe billions of years old so far as we know due to exploring the universe with things as telescopes and other devices, we know so far we are the only planet with life as it exists here. That's fact, not logic.
Logic states if the universe hasn't created obvious life elsewhere in the universe that we have knowledge of in billions of years, logic states by those facts we actually shouldn't exist even if we do. Understand?
Yes we understand. You're not using logic. The fact we exist means we SHOULD exist no matter what. Doesn't matter if God was responsible or something else was. Doesn't matter if aliens exist elsewhere or not. We exist. Therefore it is logical for us to exist for whatever forces are ultimately responsible for us were capable of making us exist. Period.
No Surprise wrote:
As a gambler would state it, the odds are overwhelmingly against our existence even as we exist.
No, actually the odds of us existing are 100%. I present you to yourself as evidence.

Of course those odds would change if we rewound the clock back before life started. At which point NO-ONE knows what the odds are, since there is not enough information about all the necessary variables involved, therefore no numbers can be assigned TO those variables.
No Surprise wrote:
We're a fluke, a glitch, an abnormality, an extreme too rare to mention oddity of the natural process of the universe that factually doesn't create life to our knowledge elsewhere in billions of years.
A fluke we may be, but even so it still could have happened in TRILLIONS of other places across the universe. And we'd still never know due to the sheer distances involved. The universe is a BIG place. Even ships used by Captain Kirk might even be too slow for us to overcome this obstacle.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#100944 Oct 11, 2013
SCOUSE71UK wrote:
Pasted from google
Not good enough. When you paste something from a source it is appropriate to provide the actual source, that way we can check for ourselves how reliable it is, and check to see that you're not misrepresenting them even if they are.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#100945 Oct 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I did. It can. Why do you doubt it? If a large enough asteroid/meteor hit's the sun in the right spot and forces it out of place a wee bit toward us, we'll be an inferno in a single rotation.
Anything is possible. You seem not to believe that to an extreme position but to each their own opinion.
Not believing BS is NOT an extreme position. You don't seem to realise what you're claiming. You could throw an object the size of Jupiter at the sun and the sun would happily gobble it up and we wouldn't feel a thing. Now, if another star or large enough black hole happens to swing by our sun that that would be different...
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#100946 Oct 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
I was using your logic, don't like it? Using the same logic you use to state a global flood never happened, that missing evidence proves it never happened, I used the same logic by present evidence of what doesn't exist to prove what science has established.
You are plain incorrect. The flood is NOT wrong simply due to a lack of evidence. The flood is wrong due to the evidence AGAINST it. This is what you're not getting. Flying mountains is wrong NOT because nobody has seen mountains fly, but because gravity shows it's not possible. Not unless someone starts fitting them with REALLY big engines.
No Surprise wrote:
We have found no other life on any other planet as our own. Therefore according to your logic, what doesn't exist can't never have existed. That's why your logic affirms there is no evidence for life as our own on other planets therefore missing evidence is your proof it can't exist. That's your logic back at you. Don't like it? Change your opinion than.
This is wrong. A lack of evidence does not mean life on other planets does not exist. There is simply no evidence AGAINST the possibility of alien life. However there is NOTHING in physics that prevents the possibility of alien life. But there is LOTS in physics that prevents the possibility of a Biblical global flood. And we already been through it all with you.

Your inability to deal with reality is not OUR fault.

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#100947 Oct 11, 2013
SCOUSE71UK wrote:
Pasted from google:-
"Can a Scientific Theory Ever Become a Law?
Answer
Scientific theory can become a law if it has been proved to be true since theories are based on assumptions. For instance the law of gravity by Isaac Newton started out as a theory."
Made up fundy BS does not make evidence, please provide a link to your source

And gravity has ALWAYS worked.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#100948 Oct 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I took the following from a site as it said it better than I could but also stated my own thoughts concerning the issue.
http://www.allaboutscience.org/evolution-of-t...
It's a good idea not to get your "info" from sources which are reality-denying lying YEC's.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#100949 Oct 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Jupiter's a gas planet. It would burn up before it hit the corona of the sun more than likely. In theory I was speaking of an metor (more than an asteroid which is ice and would melt) of a substantially large size that would penetrate to the interior of the sun. But as I stated it was a hypothetical theory not to be taken literal. I was making a hypothetical point of the earth.
Is your brain so dense you can't even pay attention to what people say? Bub he ALREADY STATED (correctly I might add) that even if Jupiter were SOLID it STILL wouldn't be enough.

Seriously, your ignorance and ability to make up BS does NOT make for good science. Better to just let people think you don't know what you're talking about than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#100950 Oct 11, 2013
replaytime wrote:
I don't know what you believe and really what ever you do is your choice. Myself I believe in evolution, change over periods of time. I also believe God or a high form started life for I do not believe in abiogenesis. The evolutionists always say that abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution but they step on their own asss showing that if you don't believe in evolution AND abiogenesis then you are just a creationist/creatard.
That's not us stepping on our azz, that's you rejecting the theory of gravity.

Oh, and your baseless beliefs are STILL irrelevant.
replaytime wrote:
They hate any God in everyway and will do what it takes to rule one out. They cannot even except that while some people believe in evolution, they believe in God as well. In their minds that is not expectable.
Wrong. Ken Miller and Francis Collins for example. Both evolutionary biologists, both theists.
replaytime wrote:
Either you swallow the abiogenesis with evolution or you don't matter.
No, it is accepted that abiogenesis is a hypothesis. However there are no other scientific alternatives which have been presented.

Oh, and IF there's an all-powerful universe-creating wizard who IS responsible for life on Earth, who's to say it did not or could not use abiogenesis?

Creationists like you. Apparently.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#100951 Oct 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Au contraire, evidence please?
You're wasting your time. Chuck is not on planet Earth.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#100952 Oct 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually by the process of evolution and how it's proven to have worked, people as yourself are content to believe that evolution allowed animal species to evolve naturally and by some bit of magic caused a defect as you call it to allow one specie to accelerate over all others in thinking capacity. That's your magical theory because you can't explain why the process of evolution didn't allow for the same defect to happen to gorillas and or chimps or some other past primate group that lived for example. Our single specie went beyond being hunters and gatherers to what we are today and you have no explanation for why this defect didn't emerge before except to state it didn't happen.
We are only one of the exiting members of the genus of great apes. There were many before us and there may come others after us. But to suggest we are the only one to advance is incorrect. There were many who came before us. They either became extinct, evolved or were absorbed by other populations. Homo sapiens neanderthalensis is a good example.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#100953 Oct 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Logic
Definition of logic (n)
Bing Dictionary
logic[ ljjik ]
theory of reasoning: the branch of philosophy that deals with the theory of deductive and inductive arguments and aims to distinguish good from bad reasoning
We exist. That's fact, not logic.
In a universe billions of years old so far as we know due to exploring the universe with things as telescopes and other devices, we know so far we are the only planet with life as it exists here. That's fact, not logic.

So far as we know. Which is damn little.

[QUOTE who="No Surprise"]Logic states if the universe hasn't created obvious life elsewhere in the universe that we have knowledge of in billions of years, logic states by those facts we actually shouldn't exist even if we do. Understand? As a gambler would state it, the odds are overwhelmingly against our existence even as we exist.
Obvious life? Are kidding? Do you have even the faintest notion of the scale of the universe? The time it takes for any signal to cross the vast distances involved? Radio communications have only been possible for about 120 years. An instant of time.

I suppose you expect some folks on Planet X to erect huge space billboards saying "HI!" I guess that would be obvious.
No Surprise wrote:
We're a fluke, a glitch, an abnormality, an extreme too rare to mention oddity of the natural process of the universe that factually doesn't create life to our knowledge elsewhere in billions of years.
I'm forwarding your name to the Nobel Committee since you have conclusively proven that we are the only life in the universe. Imagine their surprise when they hear of this.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#100954 Oct 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I did state that. I haven't walked away from the statement. You're delusional in stating I have walked away from that statement.
Scientists claim now the earth will become a ball of magma as it was in it's infancy when at it's end. Can you prove it? Is there evidence for it? No. Just theories. Those same scientists believe the earth is capable of what there isn't evidence for. Just saying :)
Those same scientists do not think the earth is capable of anything. They leave that goofy thinking to nutcases like you.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#100955 Oct 11, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
For ages, scientists assumed that the gyroscopic effect (the force that keeps a spinning top from falling over) was the key for a bike's balance. In the '70s, science disproved that theory.
yet one can balance on a bike that is not moving at all, so there is no gyroscopic effect at all and none of your silly other crap, just the human balancing it...

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#100956 Oct 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I did. It can. Why do you doubt it?
Because it's stupid.
No Surprise wrote:
If a large enough asteroid/meteor hit's the sun in the right spot and forces it out of place a wee bit toward us, we'll be an inferno in a single rotation.
And so is this. That is not an example of the earth doing "anything". It's simply an example of the earth getting toasted.

BTW, have your ever calculated the size and composition said asteroid would have to be?
No Surprise wrote:
Anything is possible.
As my friend, Chip Todd is fond of saying: "Anything is possible when you don't know what you're talking about."
No Surprise wrote:
You seem not to believe that to an extreme position but to each their own opinion.
Opinions? Yes, like assholes.{hint, hint}

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#100957 Oct 11, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
Again if you lit a torch you may not be able to see the light actually move but you would see were it reached out to, thus it had to move out because those things did not move closer to the light. You keep falling lower down the pole of nonsense.
yet, as i clearly stated, f you want to prove it or measure it, you would have to use the scientific method...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#100958 Oct 11, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> On the contrary! Instead many people, gods and goddesses have all died, leaving behind the almighty God.
in fact, the god you worship has been proven to be a false myth.

you worship a proven false idol, Chazzie!

your cult lied to you...again...

“See how you are?”

Level 5

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#100959 Oct 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I took the following from a site as it said it better than I could but also stated my own thoughts concerning the issue.
http://www.allaboutscience.org/evolution-of-t...
As with other complex biological features, scientists explain the evolution of the human brain through natural selection....
Scientists explain the apparent change and diversity of most biological systems through naturalistic evolution. The generally accepted theory is that small, random changes in an organism sometimes provide an advantage....
The response used by scientists to explain the evolution of the human brain involves a "fast evolution" scheme.....
Scientists have experienced problems when applying the normal methods of evolution to the human brain. Paleontologists and neurologists have noted that there is little to no notable difference between the brains of modern humans and so-called Neanderthals, other than a slight change in size. Given the supposedly significant differences in intelligence, social structure, and physical features, this seems strange. Those studying this field admit as much. The coordination required between the brain and the body is another. The development of the human brain is one of the biggest unsolved mysteries for evolution....
I disagree that it can be explained. I agree what we examine can be explained in theory. But explaining why modern humans took off like a rocket shot off concerning the evolution of their thinking process, it remains an unknown with a lot of theories.
No wonder you don't know jack shite about logic and science.
Your "science" source states, "We believe that the authoritative and primary source of (that) truth is the Bible as illuminated by the power of the Holy Spirit." It states that "The Bible is the inerrant, inspired Word of God - a supernaturally integrated set of 66 books, written by 40 authors, over nearly 2,000 years.
God created all things - from the massive cosmos to the microscopic cell. We were created in God's image, yet we were all corrupted and estranged from God after Adam fell into sin. The sin of Adam was the entry point of all sin, as well as physical and spiritual death on Earth."

Can you say, "Allaboutconfirmationbias "?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#100960 Oct 11, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I was using your logic, don't like it? Using the same logic you use to state a global flood never happened, that missing evidence proves it never happened, I used the same logic by present evidence of what doesn't exist to prove what science has established. We have found no other life on any other planet as our own. Therefore according to your logic, what doesn't exist can't never have existed. That's why your logic affirms there is no evidence for life as our own on other planets therefore missing evidence is your proof it can't exist. That's your logic back at you. Don't like it? Change your opinion than.
Hilarious! As I said, you're not good at logic.

Or reading comprehension for that matter.

So, explain how the evidence shows that some river beds in the Atacama Desert have been dry for more than 100,000 years is not evidence against a global flood.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#100961 Oct 11, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Wow.... I actually feel embarrassed for you.
Somebody should.

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