Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216897 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#100581 Oct 6, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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In your opinion, how old is the earth and universe??
My opinion from science's opinion? There's no accurate answer. Newer ways for measuring the age of rocks and such are always coming forth.
Science guesses the universe to be about 13 billion years plus or minus. But it guesses the earth and our solar system to be about four and a half billion years old. Meteorites are being used now to guess the age of the earth and thus the solar system.

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#100582 Oct 6, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Sea level has changed a bit over the years. During the ice age sea level was about 400 feet lower than it is now.
And "Snowball Earth" was so long ago that the coasts were totally different than they are now.
What underwater features do you think look like they were eroded by water? Please don't say the midocean ridges.
Well we have examples off the Atlantic and Pacific and Gulf of Mexico for three. I read of it but NG did a great job showing these areas in a special called Drain The Ocean. They also mentioned in this special there was enough water on and in the earth to flood it globally above the tallest peaks. But the special was based on info from scientists so you may want to doubt what they claimed :)

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#100583 Oct 6, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Please, we all know you are a creatard pretending not to be one.
If you took some basic geology you would know that the entire Earth has not been covered with water in over one billion years and why. Looking at landforms and making feral donkey guesses based upon fantasy don't count as "science".
I am? lol Well by your logic that makes you a evotard to you claiming me a creatard. Interesting...NOT! lol... You assume way too much.
If you read as much as you pass gaseous statements full of nothing but stink, you would have mentioned by now to actual creationists that the new theory is that a portion of the Middle east was actually flooded about 7500 years ago and that is where the story had it's beginning and was passed down through many middle eastern cultures to today. Just saying.

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#100584 Oct 6, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Well let me teach you what you failed to mention to show you know about which knowledge would have been useful to state for you to try and put me in a more informed position eh?
Plate tectonics caused by volcanic action created sea/ocean floors. But science has also recently proved that many coastlines continue on into the seas/oceans as if at one time they had been above sea level and some force of nature sank that area.
Science has also shown that all land above sea level was once below sea level being submerged before plate tectonics and volcanoes helped to push molten magma ever upward till land masses were created of which we live upon at present.
So the question still remains you didn't answer. You give the appearance of having a know it all attitude of science. Where was the original seal level? When you consider that question remember that prior to there being any h20 on the earth's surface, theory states volcanos were the cause of steam for a very long, long time of which became our cloud system that released rain for a long, long time that caused the first seas and oceans to exist. And much of that land that was rained on is now sub-sea level.
possibly the most awkwardly written opening sentence ever...

did you learn that writing style where you learned about geological history?

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#100585 Oct 6, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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I am? lol Well by your logic that makes you a evotard to you claiming me a creatard. Interesting...NOT! lol... You assume way too much.
If you read as much as you pass gaseous statements full of nothing but stink, you would have mentioned by now to actual creationists that the new theory is that a portion of the Middle east was actually flooded about 7500 years ago and that is where the story had it's beginning and was passed down through many middle eastern cultures to today. Just saying.
where did the Hopi flood story come from then?

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#100586 Oct 6, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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I am? lol Well by your logic that makes you a evotard to you claiming me a creatard. Interesting...NOT! lol... You assume way too much.
If you read as much as you pass gaseous statements full of nothing but stink, you would have mentioned by now to actual creationists that the new theory is that a portion of the Middle east was actually flooded about 7500 years ago and that is where the story had it's beginning and was passed down through many middle eastern cultures to today. Just saying.
isn't that what most rational people believe about the flood stories? showing that the bible is just a work of complete fiction...

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#100587 Oct 6, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No Surprise if you want to claim things and get respect you need to supply some evidence that backs you up. In an internet debate you do this with links.
So let's see some links supporting your beliefs, or else, STFU.
I'm stating other's 'interesting' beliefs/opinions in the aforementioned post :)

1. http://www.bing.com/search...

2. http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ethnic/m...
http://www.cocaine.org/history/mummies.html

3. http://www.linearconcepts.com/travelog/2004-c... Count eleven pictures down if I counted right.
http://jopeyer.com/mexico4.htm You have to look for the picture with a comment about an elephant trunk in this link of photos.
http://www.richardcassaro.com/tag/elephant-de... In this link I would forget the opinions and just weigh the compared side by side pictures for evidence of likenesses.#8 especially.
http://www.bing.com/search...

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#100588 Oct 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>isn't that what most rational people believe about the flood stories? showing that the bible is just a work of complete fiction...
With you it isn't about evolution being right, you just attack the bible period. You take it to a personal level it seems. What is it that happened that you hate so much about God and/or the bible?

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#100589 Oct 6, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, Florida has been underwater more than once.
I don't know of any evidence that any of those events were violent or sudden. Where is your evidence that supports you claim.
And no, floods were not primarily responsible for shaping the Earth's surface. Again, where is your evidence?
Please use valid sources, if you can/
The sudden flooding to an area not previously flooded(or not previously flooded for a long time period)cause erosion of topsoil and lower levels of subsurface to form areas for standing water that are later supplied by runoff and or springs forming from underneath.
Glacial flooding is a major cause for reshaping land areas. There are many causes for lakes including sinkholes :) Please educate yourself at the following link.
http://www.glaciallakemissoula.org/story.html

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#100590 Oct 6, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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With you it isn't about evolution being right, you just attack the bible period. You take it to a personal level it seems. What is it that happened that you hate so much about God and/or the bible?
not personal at all. it is just that that set of myths have been proven to be just that, myths, and people still to this day talk as if it is real.

the topic of the thread is evolution vs creation. one of the most popular creation myths is the one created in the bible...

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#100591 Oct 6, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Let's put this another way, we can look at the geological history of Earth going back for hundreds of millions of years.
Evidence for a global flood in the last 200,000 years or even the last 2,000,000 years or the last 20 m/y simply does not exist.
These is absolutely no trace of your mythical global flood.
lol...I never claimed a global flood happened. You have assumed as others and like they, you have made an *ss of yourself through your assumptions claiming I said what I didn't. Nice job :)

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#100592 Oct 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>possibly the most awkwardly written opening sentence ever...
did you learn that writing style where you learned about geological history?
Are you the self pointed grammar checker again?

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#100593 Oct 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>not personal at all. it is just that that set of myths have been proven to be just that, myths, and people still to this day talk as if it is real.
the topic of the thread is evolution vs creation. one of the most popular creation myths is the one created in the bible...
Yes the topic of the thread is evolution vs creation.

1. you never support evolution
2. you hardly ever even talk about evolution
3. you never bring evidence of any thing you claim
4. you always just attack the bible and or God.
5 back to the title of the room. why don't you talk about both?

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#100594 Oct 6, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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lol...I never claimed a global flood happened. You have assumed as others and like they, you have made an *ss of yourself through your assumptions claiming I said what I didn't. Nice job :)
If you are not agreeing with them completely then you are seen as a creationists, otherwise the enemy and they will tell you what you believe. lol

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#100595 Oct 6, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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I'm stating other's 'interesting' beliefs/opinions in the aforementioned post :)
1. http://www.bing.com/search...
2. http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/ethnic/m...
http://www.cocaine.org/history/mummies.html
3. http://www.linearconcepts.com/travelog/2004-c... Count eleven pictures down if I counted right.
http://jopeyer.com/mexico4.htm You have to look for the picture with a comment about an elephant trunk in this link of photos.
http://www.richardcassaro.com/tag/elephant-de... In this link I would forget the opinions and just weigh the compared side by side pictures for evidence of likenesses.#8 especially.
http://www.bing.com/search...
One does have to wonder if they had never seen an elephant how the similarities came about. Good links.

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#100596 Oct 6, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Time you understood the difference between theory and fact in a scientific sense. Your gravity example is perfect.
Its a fact thay gravity holds us to earth.
But explaining gravity is done by theory. Newton was close, Einstein is closer. They use completely different conceptions of HOW gravity works. Tomorrow someone may come up with an even better explanation for the same facts using a completely different theory.
In terms of explanation of facts, we can never be 100% sure we have the one and only correct explanation. The best guidelines we have are the success of the theory in predicting new facts, and Occam's razor.
Some theories become so central and explain so many facts so well and make such good predictionss that we think of them as facts too, but they are not really. Gravity is NOT a fact. An object accelerating such as the falling apple is a fact. Gravity is the theoretical explantion of the fact, and not the only one that men have believed in the past either.
Nice post. Gravity IS a fact of the action of it's description because it is a real thing that takes place 24/7 and evidence of gravity can be had by factual evidence any time anyone wishes to examine that factual evidence to affirm its existence as fact.
fact noun \&#712;fakt\
: something that truly exists or happens : something that has actual existence
: a true piece of information
The other poster stated science was based on prediction. They stated nothing else. They stated science was based on prediction. You would understand that if you had read their response.
You would also understand that I was explaining in my replies that science was based on MORE than just predictions than of what that poster claimed. But you would know that if you had read my replies.
Science begins with an idea, not a prediction as the other poster claimed. That idea becomes a theory. Unless that theory is proved to be fact, it remains a theory. Very simple concept you seem to wish to

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#100597 Oct 6, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yet many people have considered the creation idea, but since there isn't one shred of evidence to support it, it was dismissed as the proven myth it is...
Here again the person is even talking about evolution and you just go on about creation and myths.

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#100598 Oct 6, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Yes the topic of the thread is evolution vs creation.
1. you never support evolution
2. you hardly ever even talk about evolution
3. you never bring evidence of any thing you claim
4. you always just attack the bible and or God.
5 back to the title of the room. why don't you talk about both?
In fact, your first 4 statements are false.
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#100599 Oct 6, 2013
The bible. Come for the misogyny and the slavery. Stay for the murder and infanticide.
replaytime wrote:
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With you it isn't about evolution being right, you just attack the bible period. You take it to a personal level it seems. What is it that happened that you hate so much about God and/or the bible?

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St. Croix valley

#100600 Oct 6, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Here again the person is even talking about evolution and you just go on about creation and myths.
just pointing out the incorrect parts of their statement...

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