Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221395 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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EXPERT

Redding, CA

#100473 Oct 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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A shallow sea with a basaltic crust .
The Earth was molten at first, when it cooled water from steam and molecular H2O condensed and covered the first crust, which turned into basaltic rock.
You also claim at one point the entire surface was molten, yes?
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#100474 Oct 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You couldn't beat your way through wet toilet paper, nor compete academically with anyone over 10 years old who read a science book.
I was afraid this would happen...you want me!

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#100475 Oct 4, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Doofus? lol...fricking to funny states the doofus who believes theories never become fact. Are you pathetically ignorant? It was a theory that disagreed with a more popular theory that proved and became a fact that the earth rotated around the sun and not viceversa. Theories were the basis of all established facts. Theories where probable/provable became/become an established fact in science.
If your logic is correct(which it isn't)that theories NEVER become fact, than it's still an unproven theory that the sun is the center of our solar system.
If your logic is correct(which it isn't)that theories NEVER become fact, than it's still an unproven theory that gravity holds us to this earth.
Should I continue with your logic? Hmm?
Time you understood the difference between theory and fact in a scientific sense. Your gravity example is perfect.

Its a fact thay gravity holds us to earth.

But explaining gravity is done by theory. Newton was close, Einstein is closer. They use completely different conceptions of HOW gravity works. Tomorrow someone may come up with an even better explanation for the same facts using a completely different theory.

In terms of explanation of facts, we can never be 100% sure we have the one and only correct explanation. The best guidelines we have are the success of the theory in predicting new facts, and Occam's razor.

Some theories become so central and explain so many facts so well and make such good predictionss that we think of them as facts too, but they are not really. Gravity is NOT a fact. An object accelerating such as the falling apple is a fact. Gravity is the theoretical explantion of the fact, and not the only one that men have believed in the past either.

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arte et marte

#100476 Oct 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
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So you claim at one point the entire surface was covered by water, yes?
Yes but there wasn't any mountains or people.
There sometime in this shallow ocean life did arise though.

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#100477 Oct 4, 2013
OMG!! CHISEL Away..Folks!!

YO OLD GEEZERS!!

Why are ya STILL Persuing THIS Dead-Beat Subject???

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arte et marte

#100478 Oct 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>I was afraid this would happen...you want me!
Did you forget to take your medication? Because.....
WTH would want a goofy fundie?
Certainly not me.
Ozzie

Australia

#100479 Oct 4, 2013
Q: Who came first, the chicken or the egg?
A: The Rooster!
Bwhahaha! BWOORKK! Bock! Bock! Bock!
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#100480 Oct 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Yes but there wasn't any mountains or people.
There sometime in this shallow ocean life did arise though.
So what evidence convinced you that at one point the entire surface of the planet was covered by water?
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#100481 Oct 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Did you forget to take your medication? Because.....
WTH would want a goofy fundie?
Certainly not me.
You own a cat, right? What name did you give it?

“When you treat people as they ”

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treat you they get offended.

#100482 Oct 4, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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No. Facts don't exist to disprove a global flood. Opinions, opinions claim certain pieces of evidence prove there wasn't a global flood. Understand that difference?
Yes facts do exist that disprove a global flood

1 The most compelling of those facts, the fact that completely disproves the global flood story all on itís own is the DNA map of the human race. Funnily enough that DNA is that very same stuff that you are 100% confident to convict a suspected criminal to execution yet you deny itís validity when it disproves your faith

2 excavations provide no evidence of a global flood, oh they provide evidence of local floods but non (NON) provide any evidence for a global flood

3 the fossil record and geological column show now evidence of a global flood

4 there is not enough water on earth, I have personally done the calculations there are 30,647,121,258,518,000,000,000 ,000,000,000 litres of water missing from the world to fulfil the story of the worlds first genocide. Thatís 2,067,956,900 times more than actually exists

5 technology, even today it is technically IMPOSSIBLE to build a boat of the dimensions specified in the babble out of wood. Include the tools that were available in the bronze age youíd see the author was having a laugh

6 logistics, there somewhere between 18 million and 30 million species of animal known on the earth, many living on continents that were unknown in the bronze age. Some of those animals were small and some big. Most require specific environmental conditions to survive. However the dimensions of the boat given in the babble is not enough to hold a few hundred million individual animals (read the babble)

7 more logistics, given that somehow all those animals were stored in the ark, then the logistiics of supplying food for them including specific diets for fussy eaters for a year is yet another proof

8 Water mixing, if such a flood had occurred then all (ALL) fresh water would be contaminated with salt and the human race (and many other species) could never have survived the aftermath. Also salt water would be diluted beyond the tolerance of many salt water species .

9 Sanitation, who mucked out the several hundred million animals?

You see there is plenty of evidence, and I really do understand that you want to believe in a goddidtit by magic story because thatís what your were taught to believe, however you are simply indoctrinated to ignore that evidence. And of course you will abide by your faith and ignore those facts, itís the funnymentalist way.
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#100483 Oct 4, 2013
Ozzie wrote:
Q: Who came first, the chicken or the egg?
A: The Rooster!
Bwhahaha! BWOORKK! Bock! Bock! Bock!
So you must be the brains in your family, huh?

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#100484 Oct 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Yes facts do exist that disprove a global flood
1 The most compelling of those facts, the fact that completely disproves the global flood story all on itís own is the DNA map of the human race. Funnily enough that DNA is that very same stuff that you are 100% confident to convict a suspected criminal to execution yet you deny itís validity when it disproves your faith
2 excavations provide no evidence of a global flood, oh they provide evidence of local floods but non (NON) provide any evidence for a global flood
3 the fossil record and geological column show now evidence of a global flood
4 there is not enough water on earth, I have personally done the calculations there are 30,647,121,258,518,000,000,000 ,000,000,000 litres of water missing from the world to fulfil the story of the worlds first genocide. Thatís 2,067,956,900 times more than actually exists
5 technology, even today it is technically IMPOSSIBLE to build a boat of the dimensions specified in the babble out of wood. Include the tools that were available in the bronze age youíd see the author was having a laugh
6 logistics, there somewhere between 18 million and 30 million species of animal known on the earth, many living on continents that were unknown in the bronze age. Some of those animals were small and some big. Most require specific environmental conditions to survive. However the dimensions of the boat given in the babble is not enough to hold a few hundred million individual animals (read the babble)
7 more logistics, given that somehow all those animals were stored in the ark, then the logistiics of supplying food for them including specific diets for fussy eaters for a year is yet another proof
8 Water mixing, if such a flood had occurred then all (ALL) fresh water would be contaminated with salt and the human race (and many other species) could never have survived the aftermath. Also salt water would be diluted beyond the tolerance of many salt water species .
9 Sanitation, who mucked out the several hundred million animals?
You see there is plenty of evidence, and I really do understand that you want to believe in a goddidtit by magic story because thatís what your were taught to believe, however you are simply indoctrinated to ignore that evidence. And of course you will abide by your faith and ignore those facts, itís the funnymentalist way.
All these problems can be fixed with magic Christine. Sheesh!
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#100485 Oct 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Yes facts do exist that disprove a global flood
1 The most compelling of those facts, the fact that completely disproves the global flood story all on itís own is the DNA map of the human race. Funnily enough that DNA is that very same stuff that you are 100% confident to convict a suspected criminal to execution yet you deny itís validity when it disproves your faith.
Another clueless troll...

You able to provide any evidence to support your BS claim?

Are we to just take your word on it?

Just curious if you even understand what DNA is and its function?

What definition of DNA do you agree with?
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#100486 Oct 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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2 excavations provide no evidence of a global flood, oh they provide evidence of local floods but non (NON) provide any evidence for a global flood.
What evidence would you be looking for or expect to find for a global flood?
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#100487 Oct 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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3 the fossil record and geological column show now evidence of a global flood.

Again, what evidence would you expect to see in the fossil record or geological column? Do you know?
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#100489 Oct 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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4 there is not enough water on earth, I have personally done the calculations there are 30,647,121,258,518,000,000,000 ,000,000,000 litres of water missing from the world to fulfil the story of the worlds first genocide. Thatís 2,067,956,900 times more than actually exists.
Before I point why your calculations are not based on facts and simple assumptions, let me ask you this...

Do you claim that the amount of water in, on or around the Earth is a constant?

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Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#100490 Oct 4, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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All these problems can be fixed with magic Christine. Sheesh!
Anything can be fixed with magic and faith in that magic, it is after all the basis of so much ignorance

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arte et marte

#100491 Oct 4, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
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So what evidence convinced you that at one point the entire surface of the planet was covered by water?

The oldest parts of all the land masses is made of pillow lava.
It only forms in water, and is the foundation of all land masses.
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#100493 Oct 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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The oldest parts of all the land masses is made of pillow lava.
It only forms in water, and is the foundation of all land masses.
Who told you this stuff?

Do you know where the oldest land mass is? If not, then why would you believe this?
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#100494 Oct 4, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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The oldest parts of all the land masses is made of pillow lava.
It only forms in water, and is the foundation of all land masses.
So then according to you, land can only form in water, right?

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