Evolution vs. Creation

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#100349 Sep 30, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't help but be sorry for you.
You blindly follow people who make claims of impossible events by playing the "laws of physics break down here" card. You must know that the laws of physics are etched in stone and don't just disappear every time scientist need to explain the impossible.
One thing explains the impossible.
"before the Big Bang"
Umm no such thing in science, time started with the Big Bang or some say. Mili second after the BB. So there can be no before the BB. Polly will tell you all about that.
"particular scribe, monk, church or monarch of the day"
Monk. I love that show.
Say what? You are the one following a bronze age god did it by magic guess, not me, all my information has evidence to back it up, your has what? Faith...I know which I would rather put my trust in.

Actually the laws of physics do not break down, people used to believe they break down but things have moved on since you got your information, the laws of mathematics have proved this. However there are still some fundies who like to stick to the OLD ways and are unwilling to belief facts because those facts interfere with their faith.

You are also wrong here, before the big bang is now a valid concept in science, just because you are out of date is no ones problem but your own.

You seem to have the meaning of time totally screwed up in your head for some reason, perhaps itís ignorance, who knows. Whatever it is it all boils down to your irrational belief that time is somehow key to the creation of the universe.

However you must realise that you are contradicting you own faith of an eternal heaven? Nope perhaps you donít know this, anyway if time exists then heaven cannot be eternal, the vary fact that time passes means that eternity is not valid. Or perhaps you can come up with some special pleading to feel sorry for.

Note, I deliberately used a lower case m and moved the word mionk from the beginning of the sentence so as not to confuse you, never mind. I was of course referring to such monks as Eusebius who were known to forge religious texts.

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#100350 Sep 30, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
When I hear from narrow shut minds like your's, I remember when material such as FACT, measurement, observation and education were used to prove nothing could exist without sunlight, that nothing could exist in superheated water, that ancient human species never cross breeded. That climate and geological changes caused the dinosaur extinction etc.
No facts exist to prove a global flood never happened. A simple truth to state. Just saying.
You really would not know a fact if one sat on your face and farted. Facts are facts, and facts disprove the Noah flood myth

Nope not nothing, nothing that uses sunlight to nurture could exist, there is a difference here in what you think you understand and what little you do understand

There is DNA evidence that you are approximately 4% Neanderthal, is this the evidence you claim does not exist

Yes there are many facts that prove the global flood never happened. The geological column and of course the total impossibility of building a boat the size specified in the babble from wood, hey itís impossible even now, never mind 4000 years ago. And of course the logistics of gathering around 80 MILLION animals, some form continents that were unknown and supplying food for them for around a year.

However you are welcome to believe in your bronze age faith, Me, Iíll stick with the facts.

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#100351 Sep 30, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Contemplate if the sea and ocean floors are land level. Now what? How much of your mountains would be above sea level?
The ocean floor and land are not level, hence the reason we have oceans however if the ocean floors and land were level, how much sea would be above sea level?
Average depth of the ocean that takes up about 25 % if the earth surface is around 800 metres. So say 200 metres, and not the almost 9000 metres required by a biblical flood But contemplate, they are not level and never have been

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Seffner, FL

#100352 Sep 30, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
You really would not know a fact if one sat on your face and farted. Facts are facts, and facts disprove the Noah flood myth
Nope not nothing, nothing that uses sunlight to nurture could exist, there is a difference here in what you think you understand and what little you do understand
There is DNA evidence that you are approximately 4% Neanderthal, is this the evidence you claim does not exist
Yes there are many facts that prove the global flood never happened. The geological column and of course the total impossibility of building a boat the size specified in the babble from wood, hey itís impossible even now, never mind 4000 years ago. And of course the logistics of gathering around 80 MILLION animals, some form continents that were unknown and supplying food for them for around a year.
However you are welcome to believe in your bronze age faith, Me, Iíll stick with the facts.
Facts:

http://reports.ncse.com/index.php/rncse/artic...

http://ncse.com/cej/4/1/impossible-voyage-noa...

And from Davis A. Young, an evangelical Christian geologist:

http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/p82.htm

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#100353 Sep 30, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
The ocean floor and land are not level, hence the reason we have oceans however if the ocean floors and land were level, how much sea would be above sea level?
Average depth of the ocean that takes up about 25 % if the earth surface is around 800 metres. So say 200 metres, and not the almost 9000 metres required by a biblical flood But contemplate, they are not level and never have been
Da Flud advocates are imbeciles. You can run through the math, the scenarios, the aspects, the dynamics, the evidence, the lack of evidence, the circumstances, the consequences... in the end they still contend that the Bible said it happened, so God said it happened. <shrug> They LOVE being imbeciles.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#100355 Sep 30, 2013
History will show it is a bad business of Russia to call on the removal of Syria's chemical weapons in order to have USA not to strike it--Weapons in the hands of US are bad.
In other words, the message is clear--people must do according to what others (like US) say to them, like criminals pointing guns to people to assault or force and rape them.
US is seen as a bad country by using weapons to do abuses and rapes of the world people. US is bad because it cannot have reasoning cause but uses threats all the time to pose insecurity to the world's safety defense.
That is the same way of how violences run wildly and rampantly in US .
By still calling for bad a country US (e.g., to dismantle Syria weapons) is very bad business.
History has shown not the crazy Saddam (no matter how much he was unlikable), but exhibited the insane, crazy Bush from US by using weapons inspection invasion.
History has shown only better militaries and weapons in certain and smaller countries are safer than in US--as US is now like former WWII Japan and Germany, by making the world dangerous and alarmed on the planet.
The business is bad because they think that way, that weapons such as chemical or other sorts like nuclear are dangerous in the hands of Syria, THAT THEY HAVE TO DESTROY THOSE OF SYRIA--having stories just like the Iraq having chemical weapons, or others' like North Korea and Iran for Nukes.
The business is bad because people don't want to see again time after time to go on to do the same thing to dismantle the same thing like Iraq's WMD, as this time is the other Syria.
It is bad business because history will show that is very bad--as it demonstrates THAT IS SO BAD that they never learn for Iraq. It does resemble as bad AS IRAQ inspection, just as the inspection being alike to A VERY BAD BUSINESS BY BUSH.
That is also a very bad business by Obama calling redline on Syria because US makes very bad case these days. US cannot prove it and thinks it will invade any country by exerting its military which poses threats to many countries and people around the world--that tells US is a very rampant and deranged country, which says it still wants to do military all the time in this modern century by picking on others to say to strike and slaughter them (like criminals having weapons to threaten others to do assault and abuses and so on.)
That is why Weapons in the hands of US is bad.
The business is so bad to do again to Syria as it has not enough the Iraq DESTRUCTION of WMD again.
That is very bad business because US already has enough big weapons. But to call on smaller countries, such as North Korea and Iran having nukes as a threat is ridiculous.
BY simple logic, only big weapons have threats to under-armed countries like NK and Iran, Syria (by needing defense.)
UN is bad because it does bad business to disarm small countries and not US, as US weapons have not been used for defense, but for doing invasion and massacre.
BY the paradox of the symbolic logic, no country to build defense weapons, including nukes as needed is a threat to US, since it already has enough, big military, weapons and nukes.
US military and weapons are constant threats to the world at all time high instead, as it still thinks it wants to do lots of wars and to strike others these days, as wanting to do unwanted things like another Hitler after Hitler period.
World History will prove all these to this new world moving to the future.
Weapons in the hands of US are bad, as world history having been proven that use of weapons and US military is very bad from the time after WWII.

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#100356 Sep 30, 2013
Lilith_stripper wrote:
<quoted text>It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said ďThou shall not killĒ. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of ďall the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and assesĒ(Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.
The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).
now STFU and go worship your GOD
What really amazes me is how god seems to agree totally with the supreme ruler of the Jews at any point in the old testament.
Except to Moses when he got to the destination. But then he wasn't a Jew was he. Jew = bigoted, racist, warmongering, cannibalistic, elitist, ravenous, and despicable man in old testament terms.
The same thing as a modern Zionist, these are the enemy of all other races.

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#100357 Sep 30, 2013
JBH wrote:
History will show it is a bad business of Russia to call on the removal of Syria's chemical weapons in order to have USA not to strike it--Weapons in the hands of US are bad.
In other words, the message is clear--people must do according to what others (like US) say to them, like criminals pointing guns to people to assault or force and rape them.
US is seen as a bad country by using weapons to do abuses and rapes of the world people. US is bad because it cannot have reasoning cause but uses threats all the time to pose insecurity to the world's safety defense.
That is the same way of how violences run wildly and rampantly in US .
By still calling for bad a country US (e.g., to dismantle Syria weapons) is very bad business.
History has shown not the crazy Saddam (no matter how much he was unlikable), but exhibited the insane, crazy Bush from US by using weapons inspection invasion.
History has shown only better militaries and weapons in certain and smaller countries are safer than in US--as US is now like former WWII Japan and Germany, by making the world dangerous and alarmed on the planet.
The business is bad because they think that way, that weapons such as chemical or other sorts like nuclear are dangerous in the hands of Syria, THAT THEY HAVE TO DESTROY THOSE OF SYRIA--having stories just like the Iraq having chemical weapons, or others' like North Korea and Iran for Nukes.
The business is bad because people don't want to see again time after time to go on to do the same thing to dismantle the same thing like Iraq's WMD, as this time is the other Syria.
It is bad business because history will show that is very bad--as it demonstrates THAT IS SO BAD that they never learn for Iraq. It does resemble as bad AS IRAQ inspection, just as the inspection being alike to A VERY BAD BUSINESS BY BUSH.
That is also a very bad business by Obama calling redline on Syria because US makes very bad case these days. US cannot prove it and thinks it will invade any country by exerting its military which poses threats to many countries and people around the world--that tells US is a very rampant and deranged country, which says it still wants to do military all the time in this modern century by picking on others to say to strike and slaughter them (like criminals having weapons to threaten others to do assault and abuses and so on.)
That is why Weapons in the hands of US is bad.
The business is so bad to do again to Syria as it has not enough the Iraq DESTRUCTION of WMD again.
That is very bad business because US already has enough big weapons. But to call on smaller countries, such as North Korea and Iran having nukes as a threat is ridiculous.
BY simple logic, only big weapons have threats to under-armed countries like NK and Iran, Syria (by needing defense.)
UN is bad because it does bad business to disarm small countries and not US, as US weapons have not been used for defense, but for doing invasion and massacre.
BY the paradox of the symbolic logic, no country to build defense weapons, including nukes as needed is a threat to US, since it already has enough, big military, weapons and nukes.
US military and weapons are constant threats to the world at all time high instead, as it still thinks it wants to do lots of wars and to strike others these days, as wanting to do unwanted things like another Hitler after Hitler period.
World History will prove all these to this new world moving to the future.
Weapons in the hands of US are bad, as world history having been proven that use of weapons and US military is very bad from the time after WWII.
Waah USA big meany..Waah USA makes bad people dead. Waah! Waah ! Waah!

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Since: Jun 11

Park City, Utah

#100358 Sep 30, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
No. Evidence doesn't exist to prove the nonexistence of a global flood.
I said this before. You can give personal opinions for why you think a global flood never happened, that you can do. But you will never have actual evidence to prove a global flood never took place.
Stating that puts you where scientists were when they stated there was evidence to prove nothing could exist without sunlight, that nothing could live in superheated water, that life didn't exist in ice etc. Understand?
"In recent decades, the flood geologists have devoted more energy than any other group to discussion of the biblical flood.

Because most flood geologists have expressed a commitment to the infallibility of the Bible, God's revelation, and salvation through Christ alone, conservative twentieth-century evangelicals (who are already isolated from the broader academic community and a bit suspicious of higher intellectual endeavors) have generally been receptive to their pronouncements on scientific matters as well, especially since the alternatives have seemed implicitly to threaten their understanding of Scripture.

And since mainstream evangelical scientists have done relatively little to educate the laity about the degree to which flood geologists have failed in both their understanding and their treatment of scientific data and technical literature, the latter have been able to exert an unwarranted force in evangelical thinking.

This has established a vicious circle: in following the flood geologists and divorcing themselves from the mainstream scientific community, evangelicals have further cut themselves off from important sources of information that might have served to correct the errors.

If flood geologists and evangelicals really want to be serious about heeding extra-biblical evidence, they will have to exercise more scientific competence, sophistication, and integrity than they have displayed thus far in the twentieth century.
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/p82.htm

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Park City, Utah

#100359 Sep 30, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Another poster suggested stationary buildings should be found.
There were millions of native American Indians in just North America for hundreds to thousands to tens of thousands of years. Why aren't we finding in the least hundreds of thousands of campsites with garbage and such evidence from the east coast to the west coast as you stated should have been found by a mass exodus of people living/moving about in a wilderness for just 40 years?
It's only been close to a century since Indians almost stopped having a nomadic life in North America moving here and there with seasons and the movement of animals like the buffalo. The topsoil should be littered with hundreds of thousands of spots where the native Indians had lived before moving on. The evidence should be so overwhelming it wouldn't even be exciting to find such a spot.
Oh, by the way, come out and visit the 4 corners area of Arizona, Utah, Colorado, and New mexico. There are literally hundreds of thousands of spots where the Native Americans lived, died, cooked, reproduced and left trash middens lying about. Probably one of the richest archaeological areas anywhere. Hardly any human bones though....funny that.
spOko

Oakland, CA

#100360 Sep 30, 2013
God is dead! Godís irrelevant! Meaning that the God of the Judeo-Christian tradition has become obsolete like a floppy disk; he is no longer the guiding force in peopleís lives that he was in earlier times.

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#100361 Sep 30, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely not except by extreme idealisms. If a small portion of a seafloor can be pushed up undisturbed to be exposed above surface without incinerating all local sea and nearby land life then who's to say great areas of sea/ocean floor couldn't be raised by the same method of movement? You of course would say it can't be done I understand. But it was done in a small sample and the catastrophes you attached to a large one weren't attached to the small one. So possibilities do exist.
So quaint.

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#100362 Sep 30, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lol.....really? Where did you get that crap? Where did you read a global flood would cause the loss of all life? An extremist, that's where you got that crap from.
I'll give you this exception to prove your crap point. If you can show proof that if the world flooded itself every single inch would have to be superheated beyond any known measure to kill all life you have grounds for your point.
But you have no point. Volcanic action not resulting in great heat can and has pushed ocean/sea floors to sea levels without killing all existing life. Then you have to deal with the fact that mud/silt itself sustains life in seawater and freshwater in cold and super heated water environments. Just saying.
And this volcanic action has occurred overnight, right?

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#100363 Sep 30, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
No. I state the 'possible' evidence for one or more global floodings hasn't been found because were not seeing it IF, if in fact the evidence exists.
The humorous but ignorant thing is you and others believe if evidence were found for a global flood, it would mean the Noah story would be seen as correct and the writer got it correct and that is not true.
Let's go from the other end for a bit shall we? Two thousand years ago a writer in the Bible stated/insinuated in the end of time the earth would be a mass of flames. Science has stated theoretically that the earth will become that at one point in the future. How did that writer 2000 years guess correct what scientists today claim what will take place?
"...the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with a fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." (II Peter 3:10-)
Why do you ignore all the wrong "prophecies" and latch on to the one that is vaguely correct?(correct being a very generous word choice). Your belief is irrational and has no basis in reality - once you and yours accept that we can stop having these silly "debates."

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Park City, Utah

#100364 Sep 30, 2013
JBH wrote:
History will show it is a bad business of Russia to call on the removal of Syria's chemical weapons in order to have USA not to strike it--Weapons in the hands of US are bad.
In other words, the message is clear--people must do according to what others (like US) say to them, like criminals pointing guns to people to assault or force and rape them.
US is seen as a bad country by using weapons to do abuses and rapes of the world people. US is bad because it cannot have reasoning cause but uses threats all the time to pose insecurity to the world's safety defense.
That is the same way of how violences run wildly and rampantly in US .
By still calling for bad a country US (e.g., to dismantle Syria weapons) is very bad business.
History has shown not the crazy Saddam (no matter how much he was unlikable), but exhibited the insane, crazy Bush from US by using weapons inspection invasion.
History has shown only better militaries and weapons in certain and smaller countries are safer than in US--as US is now like former WWII Japan and Germany, by making the world dangerous and alarmed on the planet.
The business is bad because they think that way, that weapons such as chemical or other sorts like nuclear are dangerous in the hands of Syria, THAT THEY HAVE TO DESTROY THOSE OF SYRIA--having stories just like the Iraq having chemical weapons, or others' like North Korea and Iran for Nukes.
The business is bad because people don't want to see again time after time to go on to do the same thing to dismantle the same thing like Iraq's WMD, as this time is the other Syria.
It is bad business because history will show that is very bad--as it demonstrates THAT IS SO BAD that they never learn for Iraq. It does resemble as bad AS IRAQ inspection, just as the inspection being alike to A VERY BAD BUSINESS BY BUSH.
That is also a very bad business by Obama calling redline on Syria because US makes very bad case these days. US cannot prove it and thinks it will invade any country by exerting its military which poses threats to many countries and people around the world--that tells US is a very rampant and deranged country, which says it still wants to do military all the time in this modern century by picking on others to say to strike and slaughter them (like criminals having weapons to threaten others to do assault and abuses and so on.)
That is why Weapons in the hands of US is bad.
The business is so bad to do again to Syria as it has not enough the Iraq DESTRUCTION of WMD again.
That is very bad business because US already has enough big weapons. But to call on smaller countries, such as North Korea and Iran having nukes as a threat is ridiculous.
BY simple logic, only big weapons have threats to under-armed countries like NK and Iran, Syria (by needing defense.)
UN is bad because it does bad business to disarm small countries and not US, as US weapons have not been used for defense, but for doing invasion and massacre.
BY the paradox of the symbolic logic, no country to build defense weapons, including nukes as needed is a threat to US, since it already has enough, big military, weapons and nukes.
US military and weapons are constant threats to the world at all time high instead, as it still thinks it wants to do lots of wars and to strike others these days, as wanting to do unwanted things like another Hitler after Hitler period.
World History will prove all these to this new world moving to the future.
Weapons in the hands of US are bad, as world history having been proven that use of weapons and US military is very bad from the time after WWII.
You seem to be in the wrong forum buddy....

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#100365 Sep 30, 2013
Lilith_stripper wrote:
<quoted text>It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said ďThou shall not killĒ. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of ďall the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and assesĒ(Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.
The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).
now STFU and go worship your GOD
God did not write the bible dipshyt, man did.

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#100368 Sep 30, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
God did not write the bible dipshyt, man did.

I should put this in a frame, and call it art work.

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#100369 Sep 30, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
I should put this in a frame, and call it art work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =kTe0qwxLTDgXX
lol

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#100370 Sep 30, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
God did not write the bible dipshyt, man did.
yes, we have clearly shown that the bible, the christian cult and the god they created are wholly and entirely the works of humans, but thanks for the backup....

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Since: Jun 11

Park City, Utah

#100371 Sep 30, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Why the need to lie wordy?
I could understand you disagreeing with proof but you must except evidence.
Here I am impatiently waiting for this evidence you referred to in your post.

I know you don't have any, but you should at least make some kind of effort to present SOMETHING.

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