Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 201011 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#100372 Sep 30, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry not all facts.
Name something that isn't....

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#100373 Sep 30, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Hmmm! the old law are not longer applicable to christians. We are now in the new dispensations. Jesus was and is to come.
Charles,why are you still up to pushing this total lie? Are you still picking and choosing what you want to believe from the babble....err...Bible.

Give it up kiddo, your handlers are lying to you.

“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#100374 Oct 1, 2013
MikeF wrote:
The http://ncse.com/cej/4/1/impossible-voyage-noa... has errors, common mistakes really. Example, the good (lol) book tells us that animals were for the most part taken in groups of seven, non food animals were in twos.(funny, I have eaten snake and it’s very nice) The myth of twos has grown up around the child’s song on the topic and it’s amazing how many christians now believe animals were in groups of two.
http://kiboomukidssongs.com/the-animals-went-...

“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#100375 Oct 1, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Da Flud advocates are imbeciles. You can run through the math, the scenarios, the aspects, the dynamics, the evidence, the lack of evidence, the circumstances, the consequences... in the end they still contend that the Bible said it happened, so God said it happened. <shrug> They LOVE being imbeciles.
It is the same with many babble stories, and they are never going to learn because their indoctrination forbids intelligence.

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Since: Mar 12

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#100376 Oct 1, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
God did not write the bible dipshyt, man did.
Glad we agree on that.

So how much of it do you take seriously?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#100377 Oct 1, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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The http://ncse.com/cej/4/1/impossible-voyage-noa... has errors, common mistakes really. Example, the good (lol) book tells us that animals were for the most part taken in groups of seven, non food animals were in twos.(funny, I have eaten snake and it’s very nice) The myth of twos has grown up around the child’s song on the topic and it’s amazing how many christians now believe animals were in groups of two.
http://kiboomukidssongs.com/the-animals-went-...
As I read it, the author does mention the seven/two counts but dismisses it as unimportant to his argument. No?

“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#100378 Oct 1, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
As I read it, the author does mention the seven/two counts but dismisses it as unimportant to his argument. No?
Could be, I must admit I only skipped through it and picked up on the pairs

“See how you are?”

Level 5

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#100380 Oct 1, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
It is the same with many babble stories, and they are never going to learn because their indoctrination forbids intelligence.
Nutty as fruitcakes. They already know who God is, what He did and does, think and feel - "God works in mysterious ways" is for everyone else to guess, unless someone actually does figure out that the ways are not so mysterious... then it's all lies and blasphemy.

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#100381 Oct 1, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Nutty as fruitcakes. They already know who God is, what He did and does, think and feel - "God works in mysterious ways" is for everyone else to guess, unless someone actually does figure out that the ways are not so mysterious... then it's all lies and blasphemy.
They think they know who god is, they think he did and they think he does and they think he thinks and they think he feels. As for the mysterious ways, it really boils down to events that they do not understand or cannot accept as natural

Since: Sep 13

Horden, UK

#100384 Oct 1, 2013
Some people on here keep linking Atheism on here with a belief in Darwinism or the big bang theory when atheism can exist without the need to believe in either theory.
I'm an atheist and I don't believe in creationism,Darwinism the big bang theory or any religion or religious book.
I believe we will never know if any of the above theories are true and all have been used to defend the bigotry of various people.
The bible as been used to promote child abuse and racism by various people. There have been scandals from just about every religion of the leaders of those faiths committing crimes against children and it being covered up. Religion as been used by some to defend wars such as the crusades.
So what does that say about religion?
If you have any sense you will realise it does not say anything about religion. It speaks only of the twisted mind of the individual who uses religion but would also use anything available to defend them perpetrating their twisted desires and forcing them on others.
In the same way it is wrong to believe that all atheists use these examples as a way of attacking religion or that all atheists have the need to attack religion or force their ideas of their being no god onto others. By the same token not all people of a faith have the desire to convert others to their faith.
I believe that we can debate things and put our opinions across and the problems arise when we personally attack others for their views or try to brain wash others to our way of thinking.
Bigotry is when we try to assign values to a group of people because no group of people no matter how small will ever have all the same values.
It is not religion or atheism at fault but the individual using them to promote their own prejudices.

“Wrath”

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Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#100386 Oct 1, 2013
SCOUSE71UK wrote:
Some people on here keep linking Atheism on here with a belief in Darwinism or the big bang theory when atheism can exist without the need to believe in either theory.
I'm an atheist and I don't believe in creationism,Darwinism the big bang theory or any religion or religious book.
I believe we will never know if any of the above theories are true and all have been used to defend the bigotry of various people.
The bible as been used to promote child abuse and racism by various people. There have been scandals from just about every religion of the leaders of those faiths committing crimes against children and it being covered up. Religion as been used by some to defend wars such as the crusades.
So what does that say about religion?
If you have any sense you will realise it does not say anything about religion. It speaks only of the twisted mind of the individual who uses religion but would also use anything available to defend them perpetrating their twisted desires and forcing them on others.
In the same way it is wrong to believe that all atheists use these examples as a way of attacking religion or that all atheists have the need to attack religion or force their ideas of their being no god onto others. By the same token not all people of a faith have the desire to convert others to their faith.
I believe that we can debate things and put our opinions across and the problems arise when we personally attack others for their views or try to brain wash others to our way of thinking.
Bigotry is when we try to assign values to a group of people because no group of people no matter how small will ever have all the same values.
It is not religion or atheism at fault but the individual using them to promote their own prejudices.
From the first two sentences you reveal yourself to be clueless . It is the defining line that is quite effective at eliminating all future correspondence, in the matter . It would suffice that your information that ,you to pronounce your intentions simply by saying , that YOU DO NOT KNOW.
I have all the power in this world over this this concept.

You do not know..... But I do.

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#100387 Oct 1, 2013
well there is more evidence pointing towards evolution.

creationism is silly.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#100388 Oct 1, 2013
timwatson2020 wrote:
well there is more evidence pointing towards evolution.
creationism is silly.
Yeah, and the whole Christianity/Hindu/Muslim/what ever religions are phony....the biggest scams ever perpetrated on humanity.
Matt

Chesterland, OH

#100389 Oct 1, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, we all know that using the wrong dating method yields inaccurate results. If I give you a calendar and tell you to measure how long it takes me to change a tire, you will get a result of one day. The results are wrong not because the method itself is faulty (just like the calendar would be perfectly normal and free of defect), but because it was the wrong tool for the job.
By your logic, calendars were just shown to be ineffective, so we should stop using them.
Um, yes, we should definitely stop using them to measure how long it takes to change a tire...
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#100390 Oct 2, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I quit reading with the above. I would say are you fricking nuts but of course you are. Science has never ever worked by predictions. Where in the *ell did you come up with that BS? If science worked by predictions it would never advance because predictions are made without doing any research, you know like 'looking' for something to substantiate a theory you have? A prediction is a thought said as a statement of something that will take place in the future. Science is based on what has already taken place in the past so to prove a theory of what is thought to have taken place or is taking place.
Science is an idea and than comes observations, questions, inspections, analyzations, testing and researching etc to prove or disprove that idea.
lol...and you claim I don't know how science works...lol...to funny dude.
Okay, this is just so daft I may just have to skip the rebut and just go fetch a kitten instead.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#100391 Oct 2, 2013
SCOUSE71UK wrote:
Some people on here keep linking Atheism on here with a belief in Darwinism or the big bang theory when atheism can exist without the need to believe in either theory.
I'm an atheist and I don't believe in creationism,Darwinism the big bang theory or any religion or religious book.
You went to Bluecoats, didn't you.

:-/
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#100392 Oct 2, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
According to what's in the Bible, it's God instituted a thing called "free will" when it came to choosing to obey and or disobey.
No he didn't.

You were conned and you bought it.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#100393 Oct 2, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lol.....really? Where did you get that crap? Where did you read a global flood would cause the loss of all life? An extremist, that's where you got that crap from.
I'll give you this exception to prove your crap point. If you can show proof that if the world flooded itself every single inch would have to be superheated beyond any known measure to kill all life you have grounds for your point.
But you have no point. Volcanic action not resulting in great heat can and has pushed ocean/sea floors to sea levels without killing all existing life. Then you have to deal with the fact that mud/silt itself sustains life in seawater and freshwater in cold and super heated water environments. Just saying.
Who's talking about plain old volcanism? I'm not. If you're looking for extremism I'm afraid that's only found in your position. That uh, IS why YOUR position is what's known as "fundamentalism", remember?

You are claiming that literally BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of tons of water is all moving simultaneously world-wide non-stop in the absolute total mother of storms to end all storms. This lasted (if you recall) for forty days and nights. And from there the waters did not recede for another minimum of 6 to 12 months. The height of the water has to reach a minimum of 5135 meters, or just over 17,000 feet - the height of Ararat. Now a fridge filled with water weighs roughly 1 ton. Your average fridge is just less than a meter square but over a meter tall so for simplicity let's go with a reasonable approximation of 1 meter cubed. And the water level needs to increase by over 128 meters per day. That's over 5 meters per hour. Nearly 9cm a minute. To put this in perspective it's around 15 times the largest recorded rainfall ever, and that was obviously only a local area. In your case you are claiming that 1 ton of mass is falling from the sky every 12 minutes for each square meter continuously non-stop for 40 days over the entire surface of the Earth (510 square kilometers). That's a LOT of mass. And bear in mind also that as we learned some days earlier outer circles are larger than inner circles so the surface area increases which will mean you will need to increase the rate of falling mass in order to still reach your target of Ararat's height, for which I'm being generous here since I'm not even taking Everest into account which of course would only heat things up even more. All of this water is somehow being pressurised inside underground caverns via world-wide volcanism beneath the upper layers of the crust. This is then shooting up into the sky and eventually falling back down. The pressure would have to be quite astounding and in fact this alone would create so much heat that the water would be turned to steam (gas expands) and boom. The upper crust of the Earth (everywhere) is blowing up. World War 3 doesn't cover it, but I suppose you've gotta get all that water in the air somehow. Apparently Noah's dinky wooden boat is floating above this and is only made of wood. I'm not sure if everyone remembers the recent xmas tsunami in the Indian Ocean which left massive ships made of metal with massive gashes in the sides of their hulls. And I haven't even taken Walt Brown's laughable claims into account whereby all the solar system's asteroids and comets also came from the same 'Fountains of the Deep', which would mean lots more pressure (and accompanying heat) in order for this mass to reach Earth's escape velocity.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#100394 Oct 2, 2013
That was just the problems with the idea of the waters coming from below. And I didn't even bother mentioning massive geological shifting from moving landmasses which may or may not have taken place as creationist descriptions are unfortunately too ambiguous to put any numbers to, but suffice to say that building mountains as big as Ararat or Everest in a mere 40 days is not exactly gonna be a non-violent event. Meanwhile here it is if the water came from the top, thanks to some elucidation from the good Rev Lenny Flank:

http://www.huecotanks.com/debunk/flood.htm

Then there is the problems with "fossil sorting", with intact fossils somehow forced inside solid rock:

http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/worldwid...

And then we have the problems that arise from the point of view of genetics. Keep in mind that the same applies to each and every animal on the Ark too, as there was only one of each "kind":

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/postmonth/...

So your position is that maybe physics itself got magically suspended just so we can have a global flood to justify the accuracy of the Bible and invisible Jewish magic despite zero evidence to support the claim. My position is that it simply didn't happen and that AT BEST it's a story that came out of real life large flooding events from the end of the last ice age.

So considering my position does NOT destroy life in multiple different ways, NO, mine is NOT the "extreme" position.

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Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#100396 Oct 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Who's talking about plain old volcanism? I'm not. If you're looking for extremism I'm afraid that's only found in your position. That uh, IS why YOUR position is what's known as "fundamentalism", remember?
You are claiming that literally BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of tons of water is all moving simultaneously world-wide non-stop in the absolute total mother of storms to end all storms. This lasted (if you recall) for forty days and nights. And from there the waters did not recede for another minimum of 6 to 12 months. The height of the water has to reach a minimum of 5135 meters, or just over 17,000 feet - the height of Ararat. Now a fridge filled with water weighs roughly 1 ton. Your average fridge is just less than a meter square but over a meter tall so for simplicity let's go with a reasonable approximation of 1 meter cubed. And the water level needs to increase by over 128 meters per day. That's over 5 meters per hour. Nearly 9cm a minute. To put this in perspective it's around 15 times the largest recorded rainfall ever, and that was obviously only a local area. In your case you are claiming that 1 ton of mass is falling from the sky every 12 minutes for each square meter continuously non-stop for 40 days over the entire surface of the Earth (510 square kilometers). That's a LOT of mass. And bear in mind also that as we learned some days earlier outer circles are larger than inner circles so the surface area increases which will mean you will need to increase the rate of falling mass in order to still reach your target of Ararat's height, for which I'm being generous here since I'm not even taking Everest into account which of course would only heat things up even more. All of this water is somehow being pressurised inside underground caverns via world-wide volcanism beneath the upper layers of the crust. This is then shooting up into the sky and eventually falling back down. The pressure would have to be quite astounding and in fact this alone would create so much heat that the water would be turned to steam (gas expands) and boom. The upper crust of the Earth (everywhere) is blowing up. World War 3 doesn't cover it, but I suppose you've gotta get all that water in the air somehow. Apparently Noah's dinky wooden boat is floating above this and is only made of wood. I'm not sure if everyone remembers the recent xmas tsunami in the Indian Ocean which left massive ships made of metal with massive gashes in the sides of their hulls. And I haven't even taken Walt Brown's laughable claims into account whereby all the solar system's asteroids and comets also came from the same 'Fountains of the Deep', which would mean lots more pressure (and accompanying heat) in order for this mass to reach Earth's escape velocity.
And by contrast the animals are all lining up carefully to die in just the right order to fool us into thinking there was an evolution ary progression. No horses, monkeys, flowers, or pigeions in the lower layers. The mammal like reptiles with transitional jawbone to ear bones lying precisely only in strata before all the true mammals but after the early true reptiles etc etc.

How on earth did they manage to achieve this paragon of order when the entire crust was being oulverised? Only creatards understand these mysterious secrets.

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