Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216917 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#100102 Sep 25, 2013
BASHER505 wrote:
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You are correct. But that was one of the earliest mistakes in the first release of "The Origin"
It's not a mistake if he had no idea DNA existed. Newton on the other hand KNEW Mercury never fit with his theory. However even then I'm pretty sure he didn't particularly try to hide it. But at least that would fit the term 'blunder' better.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#100103 Sep 25, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Ad homs? You are the number one poster of ad homs in this forum. You want me to list all the name calling and labeling you post?
If you would find that fun, be my guest. Then I will provide detailed explanations as to why they are in actual fact accurate descriptions rather than ad-homs.
Cybele wrote:
Yeah maybe I have nothing to offer here. Maybe this forum isn't the right place to be.
Well you DID say that earlier:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

(shrug)

“e pluribus unum”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#100104 Sep 25, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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So in other words you don't have an answer. Stop making all kinds of excuses to dodge the question.

If science can't explain something, it's a definite fact it's an unknown and it doesn't point to a god or designer as being the cause.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#100105 Sep 25, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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So in other words you don't have an answer. Stop making all kinds of excuses to dodge the question.
I didn't. Here's the answer:

http://img.docstoccdn.com/thumb/orig/13494836...

And as for what caused that, here's the answer:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

Note that despite your inaccurate and dishonest claims, neither of these cause the slightest problem for abiogenesis, which involves the development of life on planet Earth during a time when all the materials required had already been present for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooong time.

“e pluribus unum”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#100106 Sep 25, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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It's not a mistake if he had no idea DNA existed. Newton on the other hand KNEW Mercury never fit with his theory. However even then I'm pretty sure he didn't particularly try to hide it. But at least that would fit the term 'blunder' better.
The amount Newtons calculations are off is mini, 43 arc seconds per century. Or 0.0119444444 degrees every 100 years. That's why Nasa still uses Newtons formulas

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Lakeland, FL

#100107 Sep 25, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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But it just MIGHT have!!! What if it DID??
:-(
http://zamabatkhela.com/wp-content/uploads/20...
Ask KAB, Mr Data.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#100108 Sep 25, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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If science can't explain something, it's a definite fact it's an unknown and it doesn't point to a god or designer as being the cause.
I could care less what you call God or not. But there is something that "created" everything. There may be a multitude of them.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#100109 Sep 25, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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I didn't. Here's the answer:
http://img.docstoccdn.com/thumb/orig/13494836...
And as for what caused that, here's the answer:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
Note that despite your inaccurate and dishonest claims, neither of these cause the slightest problem for abiogenesis, which involves the development of life on planet Earth during a time when all the materials required had already been present for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooong time.
Dude, the simplest element, you don't have an answer to it. LOL! You are the daft one. You can't even tell where natural processes come from and why they occur. You have no clue! Abiogenesis don't have an answer, all they have are contradicting theories. Nada...

“e pluribus unum”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#100110 Sep 25, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Dude, the simplest element, you don't have an answer to it. LOL! You are the daft one. You can't even tell where natural processes come from and why they occur. You have no clue! Abiogenesis don't have an answer, all they have are contradicting theories. Nada...
Sure there is an explanation. Nucleosynthesis created all known natural elements.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#100111 Sep 25, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Sure there is an explanation. Nucleosynthesis created all known natural elements.
That natural process did not answer the question

“e pluribus unum”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#100112 Sep 25, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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That natural process did not answer the question
Yes but why... will forever be a mystery, and you nor I can ever answer it. So,

Why ask a why? Chances are the answer, will make you mad.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#100113 Sep 25, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Yes but why... will forever be a mystery, and you nor I can ever answer it. So,
Why ask a why? Chances are the answer, will make you mad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =TSkU_3dQwm4XX
I'm not into that noise

I listen to real music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“e pluribus unum”

Level 8

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#100115 Sep 25, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I'm not into that noise
I listen to real music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =_8m91u5aCcEXX
Music is noise yes, but it doesn't have to live up to any of our standards to be so.

BTW nice..

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#100119 Sep 25, 2013
richardIII wrote:
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Scientists say everything came from one very tiny point of something and grew into the entire universe, isn't that as hard to believe as that there is a "god"? Both pretty far fetched if you ask me.
Actually that is not quite what science says.

Perhaps a bit of education would be in order.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#100120 Sep 25, 2013
Here is a short educational video for you:

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“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

Level 5

Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#100122 Sep 25, 2013
richardIII wrote:
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Scientists say everything came from one very tiny point of something and grew into the entire universe, isn't that as hard to believe as that there is a "god"? Both pretty far fetched if you ask me.
Yes science does say that the big bang that happened when nothing was there, not even time, continued to expand and became the universe with now with time. About 9-10 billion years after that big bang some how a single cell organism formed out of the things that in time formed from that big bang. That then single celled organism started multiplying, learned how or just luckily became a multi-celled organism and even started multiplying more. As time went on it became vertebrae organism, grew eyes, legs and etc etc, then evolved to animals, then also evolved to plants for the animals to eat, then the plants also started to eat the animals, from there some came from the water to live on land and some went from land to live in the water, some of the largest animals that ever existed became the little birds we see today and some of the smallest animals went on to became some of the biggest species we see today(such as whales). Everything we see today started from a single celled organism that not only evolved into other things to survive off of itself, it also learned to shape shift(change big to small and small to big) and become everything we see today. So my question to you is what the hellll is soooo hard to believe about that???

I am sure I skipped a few steps but the concept of it all is pretty much there.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#100123 Sep 25, 2013
richardIII wrote:
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I don't know, i don't know any fundamentalists. I haven't denied evolution, I'm just not convinced of that first spark of life and where it came from. Random molecules spontaneously igniting life is shades of Frankenstein, isn't it?
And you don't think that having a spirit floating around the sky telling men to kill the neighboring tribes is not creepy??

Telling one of his followers to gather 100 foreskins as tribute.

Demanding the death of pregnant women by running swords through their bellies and bashing babies against rocks.

Killing the first-born children a few times

Turning out Job to the mercies of Satan (killed family/took everything).

This is the same God that's in the Old and New Testament, but now the PR people have got hold of him and he is a 'Loving God'

I find the adventures of the Christian religion, through time, as much more of a Frankenstein story then the accidental abiogenesis of life on earth.

“Truder 3/4 mile, call the ball”

Level 2

Since: May 11

Truder 505 ball, 2.5

#100124 Sep 25, 2013
Earlier I posted something that I thought would be thought provoking and insitefull. However, it is now quarter to 12 at night, I've had a few fingers of good 22 year old scotch and I'd like to share something that struck me while reading the posts since then...

A bumper sticker I once saw said; LORD, SAVE ME FROM YOUR FOLLOWERS!

All of this rhetorical religious drivel... No wonder people like me think people like you are suited only for banging rocks together and making grunting noises while flinging religious poo everywhere.

that's it for me.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#100125 Sep 26, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I could care less what you call God or not. But there is something that "created" everything. There may be a multitude of them.
Natural forces? Indeed.
Cybele wrote:
Dude, the simplest element, you don't have an answer to it. LOL! You are the daft one.
I left you the linky for the Big Bang which told you what particles were formed and when. Apparently that isn't enough because the cosmology can't yet explain the initial appearance of the singularity itself. Scientists may be able to do that if they can develop a working theory of quantum gravity.
Cybele wrote:
You can't even tell where natural processes come from and why they occur. You have no clue!
If I have no clue then you're so much further behind than that even that no-one can see you. Of the two of us only one has provided any answers at all. The other has been saying science doesn't know everything yet so maybe God(s) didit.
Cybele wrote:
Abiogenesis don't have an answer, all they have are contradicting theories. Nada...
Contradicting what? Zip, that's what. Your baseless rhetoric is so vague it doesn't come close to disguising the fact that you don't have any valid criticisms to lay upon science as you don't even know enough of the basics to even start. The hypothesis of abiogenesis is not dependent upon the Big Bang. The theory of evolution is not dependent upon abiogenesis. The theory of gravity is not dependent upon the origin of mass. Come back to us the moment you come up with any scientific alternatives that provide a better explanation.

But I guarantee you you won't do so in your lifetime.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#100126 Sep 26, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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The amount Newtons calculations are off is mini, 43 arc seconds per century. Or 0.0119444444 degrees every 100 years. That's why Nasa still uses Newtons formulas
And we still teach it in schools.

Dunno about creationist schools tho.

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