Evolution vs. Creation

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#99855 Sep 21, 2013
spOko wrote:
<quoted text>Einstein disagrees (space-time curves)!
Perpetual motion breaks the laws of physics, nothing exists w/o time – nothing!
Including Time.

Time cannot come into existence with out time.

The existence of time is proof of creation.
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#99856 Sep 21, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>Where can I go to verify this star story??
I'm sorry wordy I thought this. Star was common knowledge.

Here you go.

http://m.space.com/20112-oldest-known-star-un...

The oldest known star appears to be older than the universe itself, but a new study is helping to clear up this seeming paradox.
Previous research had estimated that the Milky Way galaxy's so-called "Methuselah star" is up to 16 billion years old. That's a problem, since most researchers agree that the Big Bang that created the universe occurred about 13.8 billion years ago.

Now a team of astronomers has derived a new, less nonsensical age for the Methuselah star, incorporating information about its distance, brightness, composition and structure.

"Put all of those ingredients together, and you get an age of 14.5 billion years, with a residual uncertainty that makes the star's age compatible with the age of the universe," study lead author Howard Bond, of Pennsylvania State University and the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore, said in a statement.[Gallery: The Methuselah Star Revealed]
The uncertainty Bond refers to is plus or minus 800 million years, which means the star could actually be 13.7 billion years old — younger than the universe as it's currently understood, though just barely.

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Note the effort to wiggle this star into the age if the universe.

Eye wide open!

It took the universe around a billion years to cool to the point where it couldn't star producing stars.(If you buy into the BB)

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"After 1 billion years, the temperature is 20 K and galaxies and stars have begun to form via gravitational contraction of over-densities in the initial Universe. A a few billion years our Galaxy forms, at about 10 billion years after the Big Bang the Sun and Earth form. After 15 billion years we reach the present and a background temperature of about 3 K."

http://www.astro.utu.fi/~cflynn/Stars/l1.html
Huh

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#99857 Sep 21, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
God exist outside of time (which he created) God exist outside the laws of physics which he also created.
God tells man "I am the Alpha and Omega"
Man kind can't expect to fully understand Heaven or Hell. That does not make them mythical or magical.
And the only so called proof you have for your cults god is a 2000 year old book written by uneducated sheep farmers.....
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I will stick with facts...you can have your myth cults crap.
drink The hivE

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#99859 Sep 21, 2013
Do U Meed A Med' Adjustment?...

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#99860 Sep 21, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Will you stop fixating?

I know I've explained the Rapid Expansion Phase to you before.
Yes I've heard the guess you believe in.

Per science In order for time to exists all the laws of physics had to be broken.

For this to happen with out God then you believe in magic. Unsupported scientific guess and you have faith in it.

Your religion will not get you into heaven, but it will land you in one of the places in the Bible that starts with "HE"
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#99861 Sep 21, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>Asking again; where can I find a link or more data on this star story??
Here you go again......

http://m.space.com/20112-oldest-known-star-un...

The oldest known star appears to be older than the universe itself, but a new study is helping to clear up this seeming paradox.
Previous research had estimated that the Milky Way galaxy's so-called "Methuselah star" is up to 16 billion years old. That's a problem, since most researchers agree that the Big Bang that created the universe occurred about 13.8 billion years ago.

Now a team of astronomers has derived a new, less nonsensical age for the Methuselah star, incorporating information about its distance, brightness, composition and structure.

"Put all of those ingredients together, and you get an age of 14.5 billion years, with a residual uncertainty that makes the star's age compatible with the age of the universe," study lead author Howard Bond, of Pennsylvania State University and the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore, said in a statement.[Gallery: The Methuselah Star Revealed]
The uncertainty Bond refers to is plus or minus 800 million years, which means the star could actually be 13.7 billion years old — younger than the universe as it's currently understood, though just barely.

**********
Note the effort to wiggle this star into the age if the universe.

Eye wide open!

It took the universe around a billion years to cool to the point where it couldn't star producing stars.(If you buy into the BB)

"After 1 billion years, the temperature is 20 K and galaxies and stars have begun to form via gravitational contraction of over-densities in the initial Universe. A a few billion years our Galaxy forms, at about 10 billion years after the Big Bang the Sun and Earth form. After 15 billion years we reach the present and a background temperature of about 3 K."

http://www.astro.utu.fi/~cflynn/Stars/l1.html
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#99862 Sep 21, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>So, should I start the procedure to nominate you for a Nobel prize.

And when do you plan to announce this information to the whole world and thereby prove Christianity to all the world??

You know about the group of Christians that go around and lie for Jesus don't you.
Ah the old lie for Jesus line.
Funny I quoted all non christen pages.
And then nailed the box closed and your line is so lame when put up against the facts of your proven false Big Bang Myth.
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#99863 Sep 21, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
Please note, the error bar still puts the star within the age of the universe so it really is not that big of a problem.
Please note that it takes a billion years for the universe to cool to the point where it can create stars.

"After 1 billion years, the temperature is 20 K and galaxies and stars have begun to form via gravitational contraction of over-densities in the initial Universe. A a few billion years our Galaxy forms, at about 10 billion years after the Big Bang the Sun and Earth form. After 15 billion years we reach the present and a background temperature of about 3 K."

http://www.astro.utu.fi/~cflynn/Stars/l1.html

Wiggle wiggle wiggle. The star doesn't fit into the BB theory.

Not to blow your mind, but odds are that's is not the oldest star. You can bet on that.
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#99864 Sep 21, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>Once again you present us with a 'god' that cannot be verified in any way whatsoever. You have zero proof of your invisible friend and zero proof that anything is going to happen, and you get pissed if no one believes you.

What's up with fundamentalist Christians. They seem to get crazier every year. The end times' has been predicted for 2,000 years now and every one has been wrong....even Jesus was wrong when he predicted the end. That's a SURE sign that your Messiah is a fake.

Can you even imagine how stupid your story of God is....ooooh, he was always there floating around in space, no beginning, no end. He creates the whole universe and everything in it. He creates us and our world and then sticks around to eventually tell the Hebrews how to treat their menstruating women and how far away from camp to shit.

And where the hell was he when mankind was evolving for 200,000+- years on the African veldt, and finally the rest of the world? The Hebrews din't acknowledge a monotheist god until about 600 BC.

Your stories and Bible are full of inane myths that CANNOT be reconciled with modern science and should be really dissected and reasoned on by sane people.
Pretty short memory wordy!

Time is proof of a creator.
Science can't explain it's (Time) existence or its beginning.
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#99865 Sep 21, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>The mans last name is HAWKING!
Ah it's close enough.

That's what I get for letting my phone finish the word for me.
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#99866 Sep 21, 2013
spOko wrote:
You don’t like the Big Bang? Here is an alternative.
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/the-universe...
Here is the truth.

God did it.
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#99867 Sep 21, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Understanding is not a question of like.

It is a question of truth.

Answer the question with the truth.

Do you know the truthful answer?

More questions will be raised , than those that can be answered.
Are you ready for this realization centurion?
Yup

The truth is the Big Bang didn't happen.
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#99868 Sep 21, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously not.

Do you think things through?
At this time, the Big Bang, all the matter in the universe, would have been on top of itself. The density would have been infinite. It would have been what is called, a singularity. At a singularity,

ALL THE LAWS OF PHYSICS WOULD HAVE BROKEN DOWN!

This means (magic) that the state of the universe, after the Big Bang, will not depend on anything that may have happened before,

because the deterministic laws that govern the universe WILL BREAK DOWN in the Big Bang.(No laws of physics no science)

The universe will evolve from the Big Bang, completely independently of what it was like before. Even the amount of matter in the universe, can be different to what it was before the Big Bang, as the Law of Conservation of Matter, will break down at the Big Bang.
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#99869 Sep 21, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>You're still misspelling Hawking....it's Steven Hawking.
It's not me it my phone.

That's science for ya.
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#99870 Sep 21, 2013
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>And the only so called proof you have for your cults god is a 2000 year old book written by uneducated sheep farmers.....
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I will stick with facts...you can have your myth cults crap.
Ummmm .... Nope

I have absolute proof of God.

Your facts - time can't existed with out going into magic land to create it.

The Big Bang could not have happened without invoking magic.

The goo pond could not produce the first life form with out magic.

Macro evolution could have never happened with out magic.

Ya you've got facts, fact that science can't explain.

“If It Is Possible”

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#99871 Sep 21, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Ummmm .... Nope
I have absolute proof of God.
Your facts - time can't existed with out going into magic land to create it.
The Big Bang could not have happened without invoking magic.
The goo pond could not produce the first life form with out magic.
Macro evolution could have never happened with out magic.
Ya you've got facts, fact that science can't explain.
If I may I am going to change the way you worded these;

Absolute proof of God does not exist same as absolute proof he does not exist.

For anything to happen, time had to first exist. If time isn't going on, then nothing can happen.

Big Bang may have happened but not without time.

The goo pond could not produce life without life first being in existence. Life does not come from nothing.

Macroevolution is simply just a bigger changer over time. Now do I believe we evolved from a goo, that would be a "NO". But over time things change more and more, the more time that passes, the more change that happens... that cannot be denied. Model T to a 2014 Cadillac Escalade,,, that is macroevolution at it's finest lol.

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#99872 Sep 21, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Yup
The truth is the Big Bang didn't happen.
Evidence? Or is that just your plea?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

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#99873 Sep 21, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
At this time, the Big Bang, all the matter in the universe, would have been on top of itself. The density would have been infinite. It would have been what is called, a singularity. At a singularity,
ALL THE LAWS OF PHYSICS WOULD HAVE BROKEN DOWN!
This means (magic) that the state of the universe, after the Big Bang, will not depend on anything that may have happened before,
because the deterministic laws that govern the universe WILL BREAK DOWN in the Big Bang.(No laws of physics no science)
The universe will evolve from the Big Bang, completely independently of what it was like before. Even the amount of matter in the universe, can be different to what it was before the Big Bang, as the Law of Conservation of Matter, will break down at the Big Bang.
Let me correct the above post for you:

"At a singularity, ALL THE **KNOWN** LAWS OF PHYSICS WOULD HAVE BROKEN DOWN!

You're welcome.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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#99874 Sep 21, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Pretty short memory wordy!
Time is proof of a creator.
Science can't explain it's (Time) existence or its beginning.
You do know that science doesn't know everything at one time. 100 years ago science could explain very little..200 years ago, even less and so on.

Now, science can take a sample of your blood and tell you the path your ancient ancestors took out of Africa. The rest of the list is pretty much endless.

BUT, and we KNOW this, we will NOT EVER know everything.

So give it a rest. If religious nut-balls don't cause the end of the world with their asinine antics, science will eventually catch up.

You fundies pick a spot where there is still some controversy or lack of total knowledge and pick the hell out of it....incidentally making yourselves look like fools, because you're not understanding (still) how science works

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#99875 Sep 21, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Ummmm .... Nope
I have absolute proof of God.
Your facts - time can't existed with out going into magic land to create it.
The Big Bang could not have happened without invoking magic.
The goo pond could not produce the first life form with out magic.
Macro evolution could have never happened with out magic.
Ya you've got facts, fact that science can't explain.
You have a total lack of factual absolute proof for God.

You have no facts at all, and you never will for a simple reason...all gods are mythical.

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