Evolution vs. Creation

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#99779 Sep 19, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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There's a glitch in the story for pro and con. Both sides are 'assuming' that the earth at the time of the flood looked than geographically as it looks today topside and sea floor wise.
That the world just somehow flooded itself without any physical trauma as in volcanic action/earthquakes.
The writer actually describes something they should not have even been able to have guessed correctly that science has shown actually takes place on the sea floors today. "...all the fountains of the great deep broken up,.." The writer is actually describing water being pushed up by volcanic action through the crust of the earth through the sea/ocean/lake floors to add more water to what already exists topside.
The point shouldn't be whether an invisible being caused this to take place. The point to be wondered about is how the writer was able to describe volcanic activity that takes place miles to thousands of feet below ocean and sea water levels. A volcanic heated vent on the ocean floor large or small spills out vast quantities of heated water. Volcanic vents on land don't usually do this in the same manner as on the oceans floors that this writer would have been privy to have seen to have written about. So how did they make a best guess and guess it correctly?
Because they didn't.

Underwater vents are cooled by the huge mass of surrounding water, but volcanos on land throw out lava and magma. If you claim that there's so much water being spewed out at such tremendous forces and quantities as to flood the entire world the water would evaporate as steam. What's more if you're claiming the entire world's geographical landscape changed along with it, then you are essentially frying the entire Earth.

Noah's boat is only made of wood.

If humanity was to have sprung only from his family (SERIOUS genetic issues aside) then quite literally there is no-one left alive on planet Eatrh today to talk about it.

Now we can get back to the issue of your invisible magic being. None of this is a problem for invisible magic wizardry. For when faced with an absence of, or contradicting evidence, simply invoke the magic wizard who waves his wand and fixes everything how your favourite religious book says it is.

Evidence does not matter.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#99780 Sep 19, 2013
spOko wrote:
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I may be a lot of things but stupid is not of them but why am I arguing with a f-ing moron who confuses space exploration with our solar system :-)
Not really, since our solar system IS in space.

Okay, granted if we take the entire universe into account it's not exactly going very far, but the term space exploration IS still accurate.
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#99781 Sep 19, 2013
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Fisherman

Lanai City, HI

#99782 Sep 19, 2013
Here's a picture of human evolution-

http://firsttoknow.com/monsanto-wins-organic-...

(for some reason, it made me think of this thread- lol)
spOko

Oakland, CA

#99783 Sep 19, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Tell that to the Voyager, now leaving the solar system.
Very cute Forrest, Voyager is a robot and took 30 years to travel to edge of our solar system.
spOko

Oakland, CA

#99784 Sep 19, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Not really, since our solar system IS in space.
Okay, granted if we take the entire universe into account it's not exactly going very far, but the term space exploration IS still accurate.
Okay, that sounds reasonable enough :-)
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#99786 Sep 19, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>How did God come into existence?

And don't tell me he was always there....that makes no sense at all.

And of course you reply with...."Well, the 'Big Bang' makes no sense either."

And I rely, "impasse."

Thing is, although we don't know it all, we have all the facts and in over 150 years fundamentalists have been unable to disprove evolution....and because it is a fact they never will
"How did God come into existence?"

He didn't

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#99787 Sep 19, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>How did God come into existence?

And don't tell me he was always there....that makes no sense at all.

And of course you reply with...."Well, the 'Big Bang' makes no sense either."

And I rely, "impasse."

Thing is, although we don't know it all, we have all the facts and in over 150 years fundamentalists have been unable to disprove evolution....and because it is a fact they never will
"And don't tell me he was always there....that makes no sense at all."

To a lay man.....

When you are outside of time your question is worthless.
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#99788 Sep 19, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>How did God come into existence?

And don't tell me he was always there....that makes no sense at all.

And of course you reply with...."Well, the 'Big Bang' makes no sense either."

And I rely, "impasse."

Thing is, although we don't know it all, we have all the facts and in over 150 years fundamentalists have been unable to disprove evolution....and because it is a fact they never will
"And of course you reply with...."Well, the 'Big Bang' makes no sense either."

Oh it makes sense, it's sciences attempt to create with out God. Of course it fails at the very beginning TIME. But science doesn't let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
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#99789 Sep 19, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>How did God come into existence?

And don't tell me he was always there....that makes no sense at all.

And of course you reply with...."Well, the 'Big Bang' makes no sense either."

And I rely, "impasse."

Thing is, although we don't know it all, we have all the facts and in over 150 years fundamentalists have been unable to disprove evolution....and because it is a fact they never will
How can you explain a 13.7 billion year old universe and have 14.8 billion year old stars?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Twin Cities

#99790 Sep 19, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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"How did God come into existence?"
He didn't
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"He didn't"

Aha, that's what I thought....there never was a God, he's just a myth.
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#99791 Sep 19, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>The real science answer is we don't know.

The honest human answer is the same.

The phony religious answer is "It's God because admitting we don't know scares me"
Steven Hawkins claims real time started at the point of the preBig Bang singularity where all the laws is physics break down.

And I have stated the Time existence breaks all the laws of physics.

Pretty much says the same thing.
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#99792 Sep 19, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>Using real science that is unknown and using current knowledge and the basic laws of the universe it is currently unknowable.

There is nothing to say that the visible universe was created from anything or nothing. The very laws that describe our understanding of universe we inhabit did not begin exist until 10^-34th of a second after the event.

Science and mathematics are working on expanding our knowledge and several theories have been introduced based on the mathematics of Dr Param Singh, at least one of those theories explains ALL the anomalies we can see in the visible universe.

So, real science is busy working on the problem that you love to pose, a problem that science and most assuredly religion can not yet understand but you are of course welcome to make guesses and proclaim them as “TRUTH” because that’s what your faith tells you to believe. The fact that this “TRUTH” is pure guesswork based on nothing but the superstitions of bronze age man seems to pass you by for some reason.
"There is nothing to say that the visible universe was created from anything or nothing. The very laws that describe our understanding of universe we inhabit did not begin exist until 10^-34th of a second after the event."

You should be ashamed of yourself for buying into your get out of jail free card.

Science MUST stick to the laws of the universe! what you wrote is religion.
No proof, no observable evidence.
Just a believe.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Twin Cities

#99793 Sep 19, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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"And of course you reply with...."Well, the 'Big Bang' makes no sense either."
Oh it makes sense, it's sciences attempt to create with out God. Of course it fails at the very beginning TIME. But science doesn't let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
Who feeds you all this wrong information about science??

It (Big Bang) is an attempt to interpret the facts available in a natural light. Science DOES NOT deal with magical stuff....which the Bible uses to explain a natural world.
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#99794 Sep 19, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>Nice theory :)
If you like acid trip dreams.
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#99795 Sep 19, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>Your cult information sources are lying to you my friend.
Say wordy what do you think of this?

Steven Hawkins has stated that real time started at the pre Big Bang singularity where ALL the laws of physics fail.

In other words it what I've been saying: the existence of time breaks all the laws of physics.

Science MUST stay with the Laws of the universe. Breaking those laws or believing thing outside of those laws is Religion. Steven Hawkins belief of the start of time is his personal religion.
Not science.
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#99796 Sep 19, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>Does your 'modern science' include the creation of the universe in six twenty-four hour days 6000 years ago?

Does your 'modern science' ignore the VAST amount of evidence that shows conclusively that a world-wide flood 4500+/- years ago is impossible?

Does your 'modern science' explain how a grown man can live survive 3 days in the 'belly of a great fish'?
"Does your 'modern science' include the creation of the universe in six twenty-four hour days 6000 years ago? "

No but my religion does why do you ask something you know the answer too?

Just aping again?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#99797 Sep 19, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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"How did God come into existence?"
He didn't
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Exactly...god doesn't exist.
You finally figured it out!

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Twin Cities

#99798 Sep 19, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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How can you explain a 13.7 billion year old universe and have 14.8 billion year old stars?
I don't, I am not a physicist. Left overs maybe?.:-)

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Twin Cities

#99799 Sep 19, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Say wordy what do you think of this?
Steven Hawkins has stated that real time started at the pre Big Bang singularity where ALL the laws of physics fail.
In other words it what I've been saying: the existence of time breaks all the laws of physics.
Science MUST stay with the Laws of the universe. Breaking those laws or believing thing outside of those laws is Religion. Steven Hawkins belief of the start of time is his personal religion.
Not science.
Steven HAWKING has been wrong before.

Again, who is feeding you this wrong science.

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