Evolution vs. Creation

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#99652 Sep 15, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Babies don't hold their breathe instinctively idiot. It is a reflex of cool water on the face called the "Mammalian diving reflex"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammalian_diving...
To add a little more;
This reflex, also called the bradycardic response, causes babies to hold their breath when submerged, says Jeffrey Wagener, a pediatric pulmonologist in Denver. Parents can get this same reaction by blowing in their baby's face. The reflex weakens as a baby gets older, but even adults have it to some degree.
So by your comment the baby must think it is in danger of drowning when someone blows in the babies face too huh? LMAO.
It is a reflex, not a instinct. You do know what a reflex is don't you? It is involuntary. Meaning we have no control over it!!!
A reflex action, differently known as a reflex, is an involuntary and nearly instantaneous movement in response to a stimulus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflex
In other words it is instinctual. It is not a learned response.

Don't you know what instincts are?

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#99653 Sep 15, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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In other words it is instinctual. It is not a learned response.
Don't you know what instincts are?
The Mammalian diving reflex and I say REFLEX is only stimulated in cool water. It is not triggered in warm water (70 degrees) thus it is a reflex to the cold water. If it was a instinct it would happen in any water, warm or cool being you can drown in both warm or cold water.

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#99654 Sep 15, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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The Mammalian diving reflex and I say REFLEX is only stimulated in cool water. It is not triggered in warm water (70 degrees) thus it is a reflex to the cold water. If it was a instinct it would happen in any water, warm or cool being you can drown in both warm or cold water.
So you're saying that human babies don't have instincts? What about the instinct to suckle, or is that just a reflex?

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#99655 Sep 15, 2013
Croco_Duck wrote:
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So you're saying that human babies don't have instincts? What about the instinct to suckle, or is that just a reflex?
Where did anyone say that? The Mammalian diving reflex is a reflex. If it was an instinct it would happen in any water no matter the temperature.

Suckling is a survival instinct same as eating is to adults. Without eating we die. Now some will call it a reflex that is triggered by anything that touches the lips or the roof of their mouth causes them to suck. Sucking on the thumb or pacifier insures no survival but it still triggers the suckling reflex. So I would call it both. It is an instinct to survive and is triggered by a reflex. But then again some babies are born that don't have the suckling reflex and have to be tube fed until they can be taught how to eat.

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#99656 Sep 15, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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In other words it is instinctual. It is not a learned response.
Don't you know what instincts are?
Sub the best way I can differ instincts and reflex for you is;
Instincts don't have to be stimulated to happen whereas reflexes have to be stimulated to happen.

When hitting your funny bone (ulnar nerve) and pulling away is that an instinct or a reflex? When getting hit in the knee(patellar reflex) and your leg kicks out is that an instinct or a reflex? Those reflexes happen from stimulation same as cold water to the face triggers the Mammalian diving reflex. Warm water does not trigger that reflex thus they would drown if placed in warm water 70+ degrees.

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#99657 Sep 15, 2013
replaytime wrote:
Where did anyone say that?
Here.
No Surprise wrote:
Nonsense to you. That is understandable. Humans are one of the only known species to exist that pass nothing of the past onto those being born after them. All species pass on several or many DNA oriented skills for survival and some things are implanted into the memory for the next generation, like elephants passing on where watering holes are to babies that have never been to them. But grown and alone they know where to locate these water holes they have never been to.
Humans pass down nothing as all other species do concerning survival instinct. We don't follow migration routes, we're not tuned into the earth's magnetic field to use it for travel, we don't pass down knowledge where the best cave and oasis are, we pass down absolutely not a thing as other species do that they 'naturally' use for an instinct for survival. Nearly everything that we know happens by watching and being taught for years on end.
Our species is suppose to be linked to the cells hundreds of millions to billions of years past, a time period that should have given us qualities we don't have, and we the supreme thinking specie are born dumb as a door knob without survival skills or instincts to live. Ever think about that?

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#99658 Sep 15, 2013
Croco_Duck wrote:
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Here.
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It does not say that in the post from No Surprise. What it does say is that we have to be taught everything. What it says if it is not automatic like our senses(sight, hearing etc etc), we have to be taught it.

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Everett, WA

#99659 Sep 15, 2013
It is just a matter of degree replay time. Instincts are keyed by stimulation too. The instinct to suckle is cued by the stimulation of hunger. A reflex is just an instant "instinct".

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#99660 Sep 15, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
It is just a matter of degree replay time. Instincts are keyed by stimulation too. The instinct to suckle is cued by the stimulation of hunger. A reflex is just an instant "instinct".
You are still avoiding questions. When hitting your funny bone (ulnar nerve) and pulling away is that an instinct or a reflex? When getting hit in the knee(patellar reflex) and your leg kicks out is that an instinct or a reflex?

Can warm water drown a baby? If the Mammalian diving reflex is as you call it an "instinct" why does it not happen in warm water?
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#99661 Sep 15, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>Goddidit with magik
Using real science how did everything come onto being.
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#99662 Sep 15, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>My girlfriend raves about those things from when she was a kid in Chicago...
You have a friend? A girl friend?
Is she blind, lost her sense of smell, has she had a full lobotomy?
Has she ever even been in the same room as you?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99663 Sep 15, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Babies don't hold their breathe instinctively idiot. It is a reflex of cool water on the face called the "Mammalian diving reflex"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammalian_diving...
To add a little more;
This reflex, also called the bradycardic response, causes babies to hold their breath when submerged, says Jeffrey Wagener, a pediatric pulmonologist in Denver. Parents can get this same reaction by blowing in their baby's face. The reflex weakens as a baby gets older, but even adults have it to some degree.
So by your comment the baby must think it is in danger of drowning when someone blows in the babies face too huh? LMAO.
It is a reflex, not a instinct. You do know what a reflex is don't you? It is involuntary. Meaning we have no control over it!!!
A reflex action, differently known as a reflex, is an involuntary and nearly instantaneous movement in response to a stimulus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflex
and being a reflex it is something passed down from previous humans, yes? just as finding water or good shelter is for other animals.

primates have an instinctive fear of snakes.

there are so many examples to show 'surprised's' statement to be totally fallacious.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99664 Sep 15, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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You are still avoiding questions. When hitting your funny bone (ulnar nerve) and pulling away is that an instinct or a reflex? When getting hit in the knee(patellar reflex) and your leg kicks out is that an instinct or a reflex?
Can warm water drown a baby? If the Mammalian diving reflex is as you call it an "instinct" why does it not happen in warm water?
how do human babies know how to swim from birth? is that just a reflex also?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99665 Sep 15, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Using real science how did everything come onto being.
the expansion of a singularity.

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#99666 Sep 15, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>how do human babies know how to swim from birth? is that just a reflex also?
Babies can't swim from birth. They are not active enough even though they have the Mammalian diving reflex. Now around a month or two old when they start kicking and moving their arms all the time it may look like their swimming while in water but they are not even though it make look as if they are . Until they learn to crawl then walk, they constantly kick their legs and move their arms whether it be in water, on the floor or being held in the air until they learn to crawl then walk.

If the Mammalian diving reflex is as you think a instinct, why does it not stimulated to happen in warm water? A baby can drown in warm water just as easy as in cold water can't it?

Water that is warmer than 21 C (70 F) does not cause the reflex, and neither does submersion of body parts other than the face.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammalian_diving...

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#99667 Sep 15, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>and being a reflex it is something passed down from previous humans, yes? just as finding water or good shelter is for other animals.
primates have an instinctive fear of snakes.
there are so many examples to show 'surprised's' statement to be totally fallacious.
The nervous system and reflexes are built as the body develops. Comparing that to animals finding water and shelter is idiotic.
A six month old or even younger animal knows to find food, water and shelter where as a 6 months old even older child would just crawl/walk around and cry.

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#99668 Sep 15, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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You have a friend? A girl friend?
Is she blind, lost her sense of smell, has she had a full lobotomy?
Has she ever even been in the same room as you?
What is it that makes you want to intimidate and push people around? Did you learn that in church?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99669 Sep 15, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Babies can't swim from birth. They are not active enough even though they have the Mammalian diving reflex. Now around a month or two old when they start kicking and moving their arms all the time it may look like their swimming while in water but they are not even though it make look as if they are . Until they learn to crawl then walk, they constantly kick their legs and move their arms whether it be in water, on the floor or being held in the air until they learn to crawl then walk.
If the Mammalian diving reflex is as you think a instinct, why does it not stimulated to happen in warm water? A baby can drown in warm water just as easy as in cold water can't it?
Water that is warmer than 21 C (70 F) does not cause the reflex, and neither does submersion of body parts other than the face.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammalian_diving...
yes, human babies do know how to instinctively swim. they do so long before any teaching of that skill could be done. and now you are done...again...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99670 Sep 15, 2013
in fact, is there any animal that cannot instinctively swim? we played this as a bar game once. i have not yet heard of one that i can remember...(it was a bar game, after all..)

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#99671 Sep 15, 2013
Croco_Duck wrote:
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What is it that makes you want to intimidate and push people around? Did you learn that in church?
intimidate?!? the tzar?! that is the funniest thing i have heard all day! that's like an amoeba intimidating a sentient being...

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